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Post by FreuderLocks » Sun Jul 10, 2016 8:14 am

Hi all,

Been a while. In my time at the gun shop lately I have been seeing lots of RAS47 rifles going out, so I put one with walnut furniture in layaway for !myself. For $630 it seems like a worthy purchase.

The RAS47 or Red Army Standard 47, is 100% us made by century arms, features a new trigger group, 100% new parts. A nitrides barrel and receiver, no bayonet lug or cleaning rod, or stock butthole for cleaning rod,not 90degree gas block, otherwise a cool rifle. I'll write up a report when I actually purchase the rifle. I'll review it in comparison to my SGL21, which I think is a good rifle to do so with.

For now, fit and finish appear to be great, passes function test as well.

Anybody have any thoughts?

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Re: Ras47 by century arms

Post by woodsghost » Sun Jul 10, 2016 8:51 am

Things may have changed, but last I knew it was a good gun if you only fire a few hundred rounds a year. Some have good luck and find their guns to be very durable, and others find their guns to fall apart quickly.

For problems with the RAS47, look up "The AK Operator's Union" and look for their videos on the RAS47.

For a view on how great the RAS47 is, look up videos by James Yeager and some of his people.

Google around and look it up on Youtube. You will find people all over the map. The AKFiles have lots of people reporting problems. But people with problems tend to complain, and people without problems tend to stay silent.

So, to reiterate, the safest conclusion is it is a fine gun, with great fit and finish, and very sexy, if you only really fire a limited number of rounds. If you plan to shoot 5000 or more rounds during the time you have the rifle, then look elsewhere, IMHO. If you don't plan to shoot more than 2000 rounds, then go for it! Some people luck out with better rifles, and some don't.
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Re: Ras47 by century arms

Post by Mountainsquid » Mon Jul 11, 2016 12:56 am

FreuderLocks wrote: Anybody have any thoughts?

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Buy a WASR or a N-PAP. Or a DDI if you want an all-American gun. The RAS47 is dogcrap.

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Post by FreuderLocks » Mon Jul 11, 2016 9:09 am

I am going to take it off layaway. I'll probably just buy an arsenal or something if I can get my hands on one. Otherwise looking for a super Redhawk instead.
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FreuderLocks wrote:I am going to take it off layaway. I'll probably just buy an arsenal or something if I can get my hands on one. Otherwise looking for a super Redhawk instead.
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I hate to say you probably made the best decision. I do hope they fix their metallurgy problems ina future edition. I do think they are nice looking guns.
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Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:51 am

woodsghost wrote:
FreuderLocks wrote:I am going to take it off layaway. I'll probably just buy an arsenal or something if I can get my hands on one. Otherwise looking for a super Redhawk instead.
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I hate to say you probably made the best decision. I do hope they fix their metallurgy problems ina future edition. I do think they are nice looking guns.
They're nice looking, but that's about it. I had hoped the RAS47 wouldn't suck as much as the other guns Century has built in the past, but I guess someone at Century went "Well, we're known for putting out crap guns, so why not make an all US made crap gun ?"

It has the potential to be a great gun, but until Century starts using better materials in the critical parts, folks are going to continue going with the foreign made guns.

I had actually looked at getting an RAS47 last year, but I ended up getting myself a Glock 41 and I think I made the right choice after reading all the reviews on the RAS47.

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Post by woodsghost » Mon Jul 11, 2016 2:11 pm

12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
They're nice looking, but that's about it. I had hoped the RAS47 wouldn't suck as much as the other guns Century has built in the past, but I guess someone at Century went "Well, we're known for putting out crap guns, so why not make an all US made crap gun ?"

It has the potential to be a great gun, but until Century starts using better materials in the critical parts, folks are going to continue going with the foreign made guns.

I had actually looked at getting an RAS47 last year, but I ended up getting myself a Glock 41 and I think I made the right choice after reading all the reviews on the RAS47.
Century actually makes some really decent guns. The C39 and C39V2 are, by all accounts, excellent guns. Even ones which have been converted to full auto by Nevada gun tourism places. They last many tens of thousands of rounds, up to 100,000 rounds through them without failures, if I remember right from this thread on AKFiles. So I take from this that Century is fully capable of making quality American AKs and doing things right with critical parts. Further, there are a bunch of non-AK rifles that Century has put out which I cannot find any negative review on, so presumably they work just fine.

Century simply made some bad decisions with the RAS47. And the tale of the C39 tells me they are capable of making a quality stamped AK. They just need to get up and do it.
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Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Mon Jul 11, 2016 3:43 pm

woodsghost wrote:
12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
They're nice looking, but that's about it. I had hoped the RAS47 wouldn't suck as much as the other guns Century has built in the past, but I guess someone at Century went "Well, we're known for putting out crap guns, so why not make an all US made crap gun ?"

It has the potential to be a great gun, but until Century starts using better materials in the critical parts, folks are going to continue going with the foreign made guns.

I had actually looked at getting an RAS47 last year, but I ended up getting myself a Glock 41 and I think I made the right choice after reading all the reviews on the RAS47.
Century actually makes some really decent guns. The C39 and C39V2 are, by all accounts, excellent guns. Even ones which have been converted to full auto by Nevada gun tourism places. They last many tens of thousands of rounds, up to 100,000 rounds through them without failures, if I remember right from this thread on AKFiles. So I take from this that Century is fully capable of making quality American AKs and doing things right with critical parts. Further, there are a bunch of non-AK rifles that Century has put out which I cannot find any negative review on, so presumably they work just fine.

Century simply made some bad decisions with the RAS47. And the tale of the C39 tells me they are capable of making a quality stamped AK. They just need to get up and do it.
The early C39's had an issue with the safety, but as I recall, Century fixed that issue with later guns and the newer C39V2.

I'm aware Century is more than capable of making great guns, provided they use quality materials and don't cut corners. What I think is the flaw with the RAS47 is that they wanted to make a quality gun at an entry level price, but had to cut corners somewhere to keep the end cost down. Had they went with better quality metal for the critical parts like the trunnion and bolt among other things, the price would've been much higher than it ended up being.

Personally, I'd have been ok with that because I'd know I'd be getting a well built gun. Others probably wouldn't be, though.

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Post by Stercutus » Mon Jul 11, 2016 4:21 pm

Mountainsquid wrote:
FreuderLocks wrote: Anybody have any thoughts?

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Buy a WASR or a N-PAP. Or a DDI if you want an all-American gun. The RAS47 is dogcrap.
I hate it when you hold back like that.
I'm aware Century is more than capable of making great guns, provided they use quality materials and don't cut corners. What I think is the flaw with the RAS47 is that they wanted to make a quality gun at an entry level price, but had to cut corners somewhere to keep the end cost down. Had they went with better quality metal for the critical parts like the trunnion and bolt among other things, the price would've been much higher than it ended up being.

I am not a fan either, despite "inflation under 2%" the base model AK has gone from a nice sub $400 gun to a not so nice $600 gun in the last ten years.
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Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Tue Jul 12, 2016 6:14 pm

Stercutus wrote:
Mountainsquid wrote:
FreuderLocks wrote: Anybody have any thoughts?

Freuderlocks

Buy a WASR or a N-PAP. Or a DDI if you want an all-American gun. The RAS47 is dogcrap.
I hate it when you hold back like that.
I'm aware Century is more than capable of making great guns, provided they use quality materials and don't cut corners. What I think is the flaw with the RAS47 is that they wanted to make a quality gun at an entry level price, but had to cut corners somewhere to keep the end cost down. Had they went with better quality metal for the critical parts like the trunnion and bolt among other things, the price would've been much higher than it ended up being.

I am not a fan either, despite "inflation under 2%" the base model AK has gone from a nice sub $400 gun to a not so nice $600 gun in the last ten years.
Yeah, but at least there's better options out there now.

Back when I first started buying guns, it was either the WASR-10s, Saigas you had to convert to AK style or build your own from a parts kit.

Now we've got multiple companies making AKs that run from workable to awesome. The RAS47 could be one of the awesome rifles, but it's not there quite yet. Maybe Century will release an updated model at next years SHOT Show.

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Re: Ras47 by century arms

Post by FreuderLocks » Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:36 am

12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
Stercutus wrote:
Mountainsquid wrote:
FreuderLocks wrote: Anybody have any thoughts?

Freuderlocks

Buy a WASR or a N-PAP. Or a DDI if you want an all-American gun. The RAS47 is dogcrap.
I hate it when you hold back like that.
I'm aware Century is more than capable of making great guns, provided they use quality materials and don't cut corners. What I think is the flaw with the RAS47 is that they wanted to make a quality gun at an entry level price, but had to cut corners somewhere to keep the end cost down. Had they went with better quality metal for the critical parts like the trunnion and bolt among other things, the price would've been much higher than it ended up being.

I am not a fan either, despite "inflation under 2%" the base model AK has gone from a nice sub $400 gun to a not so nice $600 gun in the last ten years.
Yeah, but at least there's better options out there now.

Back when I first started buying guns, it was either the WASR-10s, Saigas you had to convert to AK style or build your own from a parts kit.

Now we've got multiple companies making AKs that run from workable to awesome. The RAS47 could be one of the awesome rifles, but it's not there quite yet. Maybe Century will release an updated model at next years SHOT Show.

Maybe I'm too far out of the loop for this lol, other than saiga/arsenal, what other options would you suggest that are of reasonable price and good manufacture?

Thanks again.

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Mountainsquid wrote:
Buy a WASR or a N-PAP. Or a DDI if you want an all-American gun....

I'd add the C39V2 to that mix. Also Vepr AKs. Arsenals come highly recommended, as you mentioned. Occasionally even Arsenal produces lemons, though everybody acts like they are the Gods of AKs.

Stay the heck away from Inter Ordance (IO) guns. Stay away from Waffen Werks (I think they are now defunct). As I understand, WW started good, but too soon went very bad.

There are custom shops, but I assume you want a production gun. Lower cost.
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woodsghost wrote:
Mountainsquid wrote:
Buy a WASR or a N-PAP. Or a DDI if you want an all-American gun....

I'd add the C39V2 to that mix. Also Vepr AKs. Arsenals come highly recommended, as you mentioned. Occasionally even Arsenal produces lemons, though everybody acts like they are the Gods of AKs.

Stay the heck away from Inter Ordance (IO) guns. Stay away from Waffen Werks (I think they are now defunct). As I understand, WW started good, but too soon went very bad.

There are custom shops, but I assume you want a production gun. Lower cost.
James River Armory makes some good AKs from what I've read. They're expensive, but no more than a DDI or Arsenal made gun.

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Post by FreuderLocks » Fri Jul 15, 2016 8:11 am

woodsghost wrote:
Mountainsquid wrote:
Buy a WASR or a N-PAP. Or a DDI if you want an all-American gun....

I'd add the C39V2 to that mix. Also Vepr AKs. Arsenals come highly recommended, as you mentioned. Occasionally even Arsenal produces lemons, though everybody acts like they are the Gods of AKs.

Stay the heck away from Inter Ordance (IO) guns. Stay away from Waffen Werks (I think they are now defunct). As I understand, WW started good, but too soon went very bad.

There are custom shops, but I assume you want a production gun. Lower cost.
I have an sgl31, love it, runs flawlessly. Instead of clicking around I ordered an slr104ur to and here when I get it.
I'm gonna sell my ar lol.

Thanks for the help again guys.

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Mountainsquid wrote:
FreuderLocks wrote: Anybody have any thoughts?

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Buy a WASR or a N-PAP. Or a DDI if you want an all-American gun. The RAS47 is dogcrap.
Go to YouTube
Search "AK Meltdown"
Find the one where they converted a Wasr 10 to full auto
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlL-uRkJ0yA

THe Wasr lasted a whooping 250ish rounds before the sheet metal receiver deformed and caused a catastrophic failure.

The same people did the same thing with a Vepr milled ak
It lasted about 950ish rounds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwSJiAwoMpY

Spend the extra money for a milled receiver AK

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Post by FreuderLocks » Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:31 am

A milled receiver is entirely unnecessary for me.i ordered an SLR104 FR and ended up ordering an slr104ur with the full length barrel, I'll SBR that one and hang onto my sgl31 as well. The RAS 47 is indeed doodoo. The ones we have in the shop aren't great except for the fit and finish, mostly the furniture lol. Thanks for the help guys. I'll post a range report for the FR soon and one for the UR when uncle Sam says here's your tax stamp.
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Post by FreuderLocks » Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:58 am

Both my slr104fr and ur arrived last night, I had the FR paid for already so I was able to take it home. The UR will have to wait a little while so I can pay it off. These are my second and third Bulgarian rifles respective. I had an slr106ur that never became an SBR when I realized how bad 5.56 would be in a 8imch barrel, plus going to rehab to get sober. I ended up selling it for a BCM M4. Quite stoked about getting back into the AK game, especially in 5.45. I'll order some mags at work tonight and some ammo from the house as well. When time allows I'll get a range report for the FR, one for the UR will have to wait until after tax stamp time though, so, a while at this point.
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Post by woodsghost » Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:11 pm

Sgammo is where I would go, though Wideners should still have some good stuff. I'd check Copes Distributimg, just in case. Aim Surplus would be a good place to check. But for 5.45, and really, for 7.62x39 too, Sgammo is the first place I check. Often the last too.

I wish I could have kept my 5.45, but deer hunting laws are what they are, and I can only afford 1 rifle right now. Well, and the .22.
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Post by moab » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:18 pm

For further readers. I would look closely at DDI. And the AK Operators Union on youtube. They TEST Ak's. And don't hold back. I've never seen a more honest review channel. Even slightly (although thankfully) harsh when it comes to critiquing AK's. They speak highly of the DDI guns. And others. But they also rip on some guns for just being junk. But at the core of it it's their incredible testing they put the rifles through. It's pretty harsh as well.

If your looking for ammo (or rifle) deals check out http://www.gun-deals.com it's an aggregater of pretty high quality. You put in your zipcode and it calculates the price of ammo - with shipping to your specific locale - from just about every ammo seller online. It also shows very detailed specs on each ammo too. Including whether or not it is corrosive.

I have no affiliation with either of these sites/channels.
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Post by FreuderLocks » Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:22 am

8 months and I finally got the stamp back on my ar lower and built it up. Sometime next month I'll go ahead and submit for the stamp on the slr104ur and eventually get it choppified.

The slr104fr has been excellent so far. About 500 Rds down the toob. Mounted an ultimak gas tube with a primary arms microdot and an RPK adjustable windage rear sight. Excellent rifle, these are my 2nd and 3rd arsenal rifles, my first being an earlier SGL-21.

Had I the money, a DDI would be warranted, but the arsenal's, for all good reasons, fit my needs for a practical fighting rifle.

I'll give an update when I get my stamp back on the krink.

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