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Hey Whats A Better Survival Rifle 30-06 or .308

Post by Thedenman » Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:59 am

Hey I have a .22 lr that I absolutely love but I'm looking for something bigger. I was wondering whether to invest in a 30-06 or .308. I need something lower in cost, good firepower, cheap ammo, and very reliable. Also in any specific guns in these caliber would be awesome, Thanks!

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Re: Hey Whats A Better Survival Rifle 30-06 or .308

Post by Apathy » Tue Jan 07, 2014 3:51 am

30-06 is a fair amount more powerful, 308 is easier on your shoulders and is kinda a NATO round (like the 223 is to the .556mm)
30-06 is harder on barrels but if you aren't shooting it a lot that's not a big deal(is this a DM rifle?)
308 Is a bit more accurate but can't fly as far.
30-06 is more than adequate, even for really good marksmen.
308 can be used in many other rifles like AR-10s and such. If you buy a battle rifle later you can use the same caliber in it.

My deer rifle is a 308, my grandfather takes a 30-06. We both harvest deer just fine, but after 500 yards he has a slight advantage that grows every yard after that.

I would say that from a prepping standpoint 308 is best. From a hunting standpoint 30-06 is better. But if you need power I would say get a 300 Magnum and load accordingly.

If hunting. What is your game?

if trying to survive wrol I would want a 308. bear attack 30-06
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Re: Hey Whats A Better Survival Rifle 30-06 or .308

Post by Sworbeyegib » Tue Jan 07, 2014 4:21 am

.308 will cover about 85% of all practical uses a .30/06 will offer. Bulk and target ammo will be more available at a cheaper cost. I vote .308, unless brown bear and moose hunts are likely in your future.

As for specific guns, without knowing what you plan on using the gun for I don't really know what to suggest. Is this for hunting or defensive purposes? Or do you want something to pull double duty.
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Re: Hey Whats A Better Survival Rifle 30-06 or .308

Post by procyon » Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:58 am

I would say that for over 99% of what you could use it for, the difference between the '06 and .308 is negligible.

For hunting, the tiny bit of power difference is nothing compared to bullet choice and placement.
For distance shooting, if you can shoot well at distance - it doesn't matter much. You will be able to dope either bullet onto target. If you can't hit a target at 600 yds with a .308, the '06 isn't going to fix that.
And for self defense, the target on the receiving end won't be able to tell the difference. Even if body armor was involved - as what will stop a .308 will stop an '06.

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Re: Hey Whats A Better Survival Rifle 30-06 or .308

Post by gundogs » Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:24 am

I think they're pretty similar,but the 30.06 has a greater variety of available bullet weights

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Re: Hey Whats A Better Survival Rifle 30-06 or .308

Post by iron_angel » Tue Jan 07, 2014 10:15 am

I vote for .308. It's easier to get, lighter, almost as powerful and there's a greater range of rifles available, especially if you want a semi-automatic. For anything where the extra 100-150fps from the .30-06 would matter, you'd be better off stepping up to a .300 Win Mag. I can't think of anything where a .30 caliber very heavy (220-250gr) bullet would be a better choice than either amping up a 180gr bullet or using a larger-bore cartridge like the .35 Whelen or .338 Lapua Magnum.

Neither is cheap for practice, but you can sometimes happen upon some inexpensive 7.62x51 ammo from Hades-knows-where. No such luck with .30-06, the milsurp stuff is gone or close to it.
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Re: Hey Whats A Better Survival Rifle 30-06 or .308

Post by Alpha-17 » Tue Jan 07, 2014 10:23 am

For most purposes, there's very little difference between the rounds. That's because 7.62 NATO was designed to be just as capable as the old .30-'06 M2 rounds for most uses. For longer range, as others have said, the differences start to become more apparent. That's probably in the range of 500-600m, so it's pretty far out there for the average shooter. For rifles, there are tons of bolt action and semi-auto hunting rifles in both calibers, but relatively few semi-auto military-style rifles are chambered in .30-'06 these days. The venerable M1 Garand is probably the best option for that, and even it can be found in 7.62 NATO/.308. For around the same price as a CMP Garand, you could pick up a new PTR-91, and a boatload of magazines, so I'd say the advantage goes to .308 in the semi auto category.

In short, if you're looking at a hunting rifle, either bolt or semi-auto, the differences are slight enough it doesn't make a whole lot of difference, and the added capabilities of .30-'06 might come in handy. If you're thinking of a semi-auto, military-style rifle, 7.62 NATO/.308 wins hands down.
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Re: Hey Whats A Better Survival Rifle 30-06 or .308

Post by We'reWolf » Tue Jan 07, 2014 10:47 am

you can pick up a use remington 740,742, 7400 i believe in both .308 or 30-06 and those are good hunting guns, not so much tacticool but 30-06 is a big bullet and in a simi auto like the remington 740 the action isn't bad its there but you won't be getting any bruises or anything.
30-06 is 7.62x57
.308 is 7.62x51
or you can look into a russian rifle that fires 7.62x54r ( you can get saiga/vepr rifles for around 800 and they will be like an ak action)
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Re: Hey Whats A Better Survival Rifle 30-06 or .308

Post by iron_angel » Tue Jan 07, 2014 11:20 am

We'reWolf wrote:<kersnippity>
30-06 is 7.62x57
.308 is 7.62x51
or you can look into a russian rifle that fires 7.62x54r ( you can get saiga/vepr rifles for around 800 and they will be like an ak action)
Minor nitpick - .30-06 is 7.62x63. You're probably thinking of 7.92x57mm IS, AKA 8mm Mauser, which is a pretty nice cartridge but without much modern support.

As for Saigas, there are .308 and .30-06 versions too. The 7.62x54r doesn't have much to recommend it over the other two .30 rounds, and it fires a .311 bullet (like the .303 British, 7.62x39 and 7.62x25 Tokarev), not a .308.
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Re: Hey Whats A Better Survival Rifle 30-06 or .308

Post by brothaman » Tue Jan 07, 2014 11:26 am

We'reWolf wrote:you can pick up a use remington 740,742, 7400 i believe in both .308 or 30-06 and those are good hunting guns, not so much tacticool but 30-06 is a big bullet and in a simi auto like the remington 740 the action isn't bad its there but you won't be getting any bruises or anything.
30-06 is 7.62x57
.308 is 7.62x51
or you can look into a russian rifle that fires 7.62x54r ( you can get saiga/vepr rifles for around 800 and they will be like an ak action)

Just a mention,.. between those, the 7400 is the one to go with. The 740 and 742 have issues that show over time causing problems with cycling, feeding, ejecting, and bolt locking up. I'm not calling them bad rifles, but the problems are documented. As with any thing like this, some folks never had those problems. Most did. Remington won't support or sell parts for those anymore. If you plan on shooting a lot, then the 7400 or newer is the way to go. The pumps don't have these issues. I have a a 742 and I really like it. it very accurate and handles well. I may only shoot a box of carts in a year though.
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Re: Hey Whats A Better Survival Rifle 30-06 or .308

Post by jsbcody » Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:06 pm

First, what is the rifle for: hunting, range, self defense or all of the above? Decide on what you primarily want/need the rifle for and then decide on its secondary duties. Also what type of action (bolt or semi auto) and do you live in a state with magazine or gun restrictions? All that said here are my general recommenditions based on your posted requirements:

.308

Bolt Action:
1. Remington 700 (SPS) variants or Savage model 10 variants.

Semi Auto:
1. PTR 91 GI or one of the GI varaints (which are based on the H&K 91/G3 battle rifles). I picked up a PTR 91 A3R and love it. Parts and magazines are still inexpensive to get, I just got another 15 magazines for $1.99 each.
2. A .308 Garand through the CMP program.
3. Browning BAR or one of the Remington or FNH semi auto hunting rifles.

Lever Action:
1. Browning BLR

30-06

Bolt Action:
1. Remington 700 (SPS) variants or Savage model 10 variants.

Semi Auto:
1. Browning BAR or one of the Remington or FNH semi auto hunting rifles
2. Garand through CMP Program but it requires hotter 30-06 military ammo.

Lever:
1. Browning BLR

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Re: Hey Whats A Better Survival Rifle 30-06 or .308

Post by Thedenman » Tue Jan 07, 2014 2:34 pm

I live in Illinois and the only "Big game" animal would be deer, but in Illinois you can't hunt deer with a rifle. So this would be a multipurpose after-SHTF hunting rifle and defense rifle

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Re: Hey Whats A Better Survival Rifle 30-06 or .308

Post by Doctorr Fabulous » Tue Jan 07, 2014 2:37 pm

Thedenman wrote:I live in Illinois and the only "Big game" animal would be deer, but in Illinois you can't hunt deer with a rifle. So this would be a multipurpose after-SHTF hunting rifle and defense rifle
AR or AK, to start.
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Re: Hey Whats A Better Survival Rifle 30-06 or .308

Post by Sworbeyegib » Tue Jan 07, 2014 2:41 pm

Not to turn this into yet another intermediate vs full powered rifle cartridge debate... but is a carbine out of the question? Since this won't be dedicated hunting rifle.
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Post by Doctorr Fabulous » Tue Jan 07, 2014 2:46 pm

Okay, let's go at this another route. First, ditch .30-06.

Now, what specifically does the rifle need to do? Bump-in-the-night gun? How cheap is cheap? One gun to rule them all, or is this a hold-over until you can improve your economic situation enough to upgrade?
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Re: Hey Whats A Better Survival Rifle 30-06 or .308

Post by We'reWolf » Tue Jan 07, 2014 2:54 pm

iron_angel wrote:
We'reWolf wrote:<kersnippity>
30-06 is 7.62x57
.308 is 7.62x51
or you can look into a russian rifle that fires 7.62x54r ( you can get saiga/vepr rifles for around 800 and they will be like an ak action)
Minor nitpick - .30-06 is 7.62x63. You're probably thinking of 7.92x57mm IS, AKA 8mm Mauser, which is a pretty nice cartridge but without much modern support.

As for Saigas, there are .308 and .30-06 versions too. The 7.62x54r doesn't have much to recommend it over the other two .30 rounds, and it fires a .311 bullet (like the .303 British, 7.62x39 and 7.62x25 Tokarev), not a .308.
thanks yah i confused 8mm and 30-06 :rofl:
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Re: Hey Whats A Better Survival Rifle 30-06 or .308

Post by ambulanceman » Tue Jan 07, 2014 2:57 pm

iron_angel wrote:
We'reWolf wrote: or you can look into a russian rifle that fires 7.62x54r ( you can get saiga/vepr for around 800 and they will be like an ak action)
As for Saigas, there are .308 and .30-06 versions too. The 7.62x54r doesn't have much to recommend it over the other two .30 rounds, and it fires a .311 bullet (like the .303 British, 7.62x39 and 7.62x25 Tokarev), not a .308.

7.62 is a very good route to go with IMO. The round itself you can get as low as $0.18 a round on a regular basis. Granted thats if you get a 440 or 880 round spam can. And honestly look into a mosin nagant. i just got one for around $150. And thats a normal price for them. You can also modify it if you want to increase accuracy without destroying historical value. I have a 91/30 in the promag archangel AA9130 OPFOR stock that ran me $160 I'm going to get a scope mount that doesn't require and gunsmithing from http://www.jmeckscopemounts.com for $80 and a bent bolt for 70 from Rock Solid Industries. The mosin is perfectly capable of shooting 800+ yards. Also, the archangel stock makes it magazine fed.

Anyways, that's my .02..

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Re: Hey Whats A Better Survival Rifle 30-06 or .308

Post by Doctorr Fabulous » Tue Jan 07, 2014 3:01 pm

ambulanceman wrote:
iron_angel wrote:
We'reWolf wrote: or you can look into a russian rifle that fires 7.62x54r ( you can get saiga/vepr for around 800 and they will be like an ak action)
As for Saigas, there are .308 and .30-06 versions too. The 7.62x54r doesn't have much to recommend it over the other two .30 rounds, and it fires a .311 bullet (like the .303 British, 7.62x39 and 7.62x25 Tokarev), not a .308.

7.62 is a very good route to go with IMO. The round itself you can get as low as $0.18 a round on a regular basis. Granted thats if you get a 440 or 880 round spam can. And honestly look into a mosin nagant. i just got one for around $150. And thats a normal price for them. You can also modify it if you want to increase accuracy without destroying historical value. I have a 91/30 in the promag archangel AA9130 OPFOR stock that ran me $160 I'm going to get a scope mount that doesn't require and gunsmithing from http://www.jmeckscopemounts.com for $80 and a bent bolt for 70 from Rock Solid Industries. The mosin is perfectly capable of shooting 800+ yards. Also, the archangel stock makes it magazine fed.

Anyways, that's my .02..
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Also if ya haven't noticed, Mosins are fucking polearms with a rifle attached. Sorta makes them shit for anything relating to defense. The Cheap ammo is coorisive, which makes it less nice for shooting in a VEPR. The VEPR will cost more than a basic Colt AR or a well made AK, and the only thing it does that the other two won't for defensive shooting it make a big shitty fireball with more recoil.

At 800yd, nothing you're doing is defensive.
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Re: Hey Whats A Better Survival Rifle 30-06 or .308

Post by Thedenman » Tue Jan 07, 2014 3:02 pm

Doctorr Fabulous wrote:Okay, let's go at this another route. First, ditch .30-06.

Now, what specifically does the rifle need to do? Bump-in-the-night gun? How cheap is cheap? One gun to rule them all, or is this a hold-over until you can improve your economic situation enough to upgrade?
Thank you for that. I guess it would mean close as possible to 800 or less. Also I would like this to not be a crappy rifle but one that would last awhile.

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Post by Doctorr Fabulous » Tue Jan 07, 2014 3:05 pm

Thedenman wrote:
Doctorr Fabulous wrote:Okay, let's go at this another route. First, ditch .30-06.

Now, what specifically does the rifle need to do? Bump-in-the-night gun? How cheap is cheap? One gun to rule them all, or is this a hold-over until you can improve your economic situation enough to upgrade?
Thank you for that. I guess it would mean close as possible to 800 or less. Also I would like this to not be a crappy rifle but one that would last awhile.
AR: Doable for under $800, and without touchign DPMS or Bushmaster.
AK: More of the same.

Both have all kinds of doodads availible, good optics that won't break the bank, cheap mags, and a range of ammo. Both will take anything you will need to shoot in your state.
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Re: Hey Whats A Better Survival Rifle 30-06 or .308

Post by Alpha-17 » Tue Jan 07, 2014 3:30 pm

Thedenman wrote:
Doctorr Fabulous wrote:Okay, let's go at this another route. First, ditch .30-06.

Now, what specifically does the rifle need to do? Bump-in-the-night gun? How cheap is cheap? One gun to rule them all, or is this a hold-over until you can improve your economic situation enough to upgrade?
Thank you for that. I guess it would mean close as possible to 800 or less. Also I would like this to not be a crappy rifle but one that would last awhile.
If you want something in .308 as a good, general purpose rifle, the PTR 91 GI is the way to go. If caliber doesn't matter, there are tons of AKs and ARs out there to choose from. The PTR will probably be more expensive, but they can be had for $900ish, with very cheap magazines and accessories as a bonus.

CDNN was offering a sale on several PTRs last week. Their normal prices aren't bad either.
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As my it says in my signature bar, I'm a 7.62 NATO fanboy, so I'd say go for the PTR. It's your call, so choose what works best for you.
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Re: Hey Whats A Better Survival Rifle 30-06 or .308

Post by iron_angel » Tue Jan 07, 2014 5:04 pm

In Illinois, I can say that the case for the .308 is less compelling than it might be in a state that allows rifle hunting and requires a .24 caliber or greater (like VA). I chose a FAL myself because of that very restriction - though I could just as well have chosen an AR in .300 BLK or an AK in 7.62x39. My reason for favoring the .308 basically came down to A) I like FALs, B) .300 BLK was *really* hard to find when I was shopping and C) On the off chance that I need to take medium-range shots, the .308 will do it, while the 7.62x39 is marginal.

Your call, but there are some very good reasons to prefer the lighter rounds. There are also some good reasons to prefer the heavier round, but they're somewhat unlikely to crop up, and a fair few people who know their stuff would say I'm a moron to rely on something as heavy as a FAL. (They'd be overstating it a little but not entirely wrong.)
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Re: Hey Whats A Better Survival Rifle 30-06 or .308

Post by gun toting monkeyboy » Tue Jan 07, 2014 5:11 pm

The .30-06 vs. .308 is one of those debates that will continue to rage long after all of us are dead. They do the same thing. .30-06 can take slightly heavier bullets, and has about a 50-150 feet per second advantage over a .308 with any particular bullet weight. But it has slightly harder recoil, requires a longer action, and is a tad less accurate because of some of the complicated physics involving the shape of the cartridge/ powder column. To us mere mortals, they are basically the same.

Since deer hunting isn't a concern for you, I would tend to agree with the others. A full-powered rifle isn't needed. If you want one, great. You can usually pick up a used bolt action, slide action or semi-automatic rifle for under $300. Sometimes significantly less. Just do your homework before you buy one, so you don't end up with something that sucks, like a Remington 710 or 770. Also, if all you are looking for is something that can reasonably be expected to hit a zombie-sized target out to 200-300 yards, and you are comfortable with open sights, you could look at military surplus rifles. Mosin Nagants are under $100 on sale. If you want something with a scope, don't bother with the milsurps. The mount and other mods generally needed to put a scope on one usually cost more by the time you are finished than if you just went to your local sporting goods store and bought a basic bolt action rifle. And a purpose built hunting rifle will out-shoot a scoped milsurp 99.99% of the time.

If all you need is a general rifle for self defense, picking off the random zombie, and playing around, but with the ability to hunt with in an emergency, any of the intermediate cartridges will work, and they usually cost less to feed. These are typically 7.62x39 or .223/5.56, but there are a few other cartridges in the class, like 5.45x39, 6.8 SPC, and .300 Blackout. The more common the cartridge, the cheaper the ammunition usually is. As the others have mentioned, AKs, ARs, and even SKS rifles can be used, and they have come down in price dramatically since the end of the last panic. I prefer the AR platform simply because I can have several uppers in different calibers, and simply swap them out when needed.

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Re: Hey Whats A Better Survival Rifle 30-06 or .308

Post by iron_angel » Tue Jan 07, 2014 5:28 pm

gun toting monkeyboy wrote: Mosin Nagants are under $100 on sale.
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Slight derail, but where are you finding Mosins for under a hectobuck these days? I haven't seen a 91/30 for under $250 since before the Great Panic, and M44s are closer to $400. For that price I can get a No. 4 Mk I SMLE, which is a much nicer rifle. In fact, Lee-Enfields are going for about $200 in my area except Jungle Carbines which are $350+.

If you *can* find a Mosin for double digits, then sure, but otherwise, why? But as far as I know, they're legends in the same class as $200 for an SKS.
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