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Re: 12GA rifle from hell

Post by hubel458 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:55 pm

Guys asking about strong economical bolt gun to use for 28ga and
410 ga and 32ga with brass cases and higher pressures than plastic cases.
They can use a MN bolt action, here is pic of one with
our 585 case in the action.Guys can get Magtech brass cases or have
RMC make them....Guys can make 32ga case from 500 NE,
410s from 9.3 x 74 brass, etc..

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Here is picture of our 416 HSM case sectioned next to original
BMG case on the right sectioned, to show that we still have
enough thickness in the sides to handle high pressure,
in a case with 310 gr capacity..We are getting the wildcatting
work set up so we can do at least hundred a month.
We have lots of 585s, 375HEs, 416 HEs, 408 HEs.....
And working toward getting 416 HSMs in big numbers.

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Here's comparison of 416 target cases, 1st 416 HE, have whole bunch.
Second is model of what I'd have made on medium machine, if I could,
the 416 HE Long. It has capacity of 230gr..
Third is our 416 HSM which we are working on making by wildcatting bmg
cases, And if had run long cases, make longer 375 HE necking down 416 ..

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Bryan Litz just recently shot 3 shot group at 2 miles using Paul
Phillips heavy barreled, target rifle built by Lethal Precision in
375 Lethal Mag(585HE necked down, very similiar to 375HE )...
It grouped 17.5 inches tall by 22 inches wide.

Applied Ballistics shooter Mitch Fitzpatrick just hit 3 of 5 at 3520 yards,
weekend 10-13th at Valdina Ranch , west of San Antonio.
Also used the 375 LM case similar to our 375 HE
Great shooting at the 2017 World's Longest Shot Challenge. Ed

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Re: 12GA rifle from hell

Post by hubel458 » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:17 pm

The 12ga FH case now is in the new COTW book on
last page in the wildcat section, I think page 324.
They gave good credit to Rob for the idea of that case....


The model 416 HE long case in middle, hydro formed one,

has case capacity of 240 gr, and the 416 HSM in picture,

on the right, we fired a case twice, capacity is 320gr.. Ed..

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More info out now; short, fat cases sticking, pockets not lasting as expected.
Trying to get best speeds the things raising pressures are bad case
proportions, too sharp of shoulders, too fast of powders...........
and debth of the bullet into the powder space, as shown in the picture below..
My 375, 416, etc testing, bullets loaded like bottom one, in longer freebore....Ed.

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Re: 12GA rifle from hell

Post by hubel458 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:47 pm

Here is case measurements for our 416 HE target case
made by necking our 585 HE big belted case.

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Here is picture of 375 HE left, 416 HE next, 416 HSM on the right..

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Here, tentative specs, 416 HSM case we are doing from bmg brass,

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A 375 HE, with Lawton action, few are being done with those,Ed .....

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Re: 12GA rifle from hell

Post by hubel458 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:48 am

A 585 HE ...shot with moderate heavy load......

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t50.2 ... 3184_n.mp4


Here is a 375 HE target gun set up, by Asteroid Precision...


Here is video of it being tested... And with a 350gr bullet about 3450-3475,

bolt opened easily with one finger...And he's just getting started

and is checking on better powder, Ed..



https://www.facebook.com/AsteroidPrecis ... tion=group

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Re: 12GA rifle from hell

Post by mzmadmike » Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:11 am

Finishing my build now. Pictures in a few days.
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Re: 12GA rifle from hell

Post by hubel458 » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:46 am

Great, and thank you..Ed

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Re: 12GA rifle from hell

Post by hubel458 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 1:15 am

416 & 460 HE AND 416 & 460 HSM .LONG RANGE AND HUNTING
Can be set up in  Pierce  X10  ACTION for the 416 & 460 HE  
AND X20 action for the 416 & 460 HSM , Can get those
if guys need one...Ed

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Re: 12GA rifle from hell

Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Sun Jan 17, 2021 2:46 pm

I can't remember if I've asked this previously or not, but what's the recoil of one of these guns like ?

What is it comparable to ?

I mean is it sort of like shooting a 12 gauge with magnum loads or is it more like a .50 BMG or even like an elephant gun (something like a .458 Lott or a .500 Nitro) ?

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Re: 12GA rifle from hell

Post by hubel458 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:31 pm

Recoil like a 50 BMG Ed

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