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Have the FN Nazi HiPower and the Mauser Bolo pistol been added to the ex-NFA Curio and Relics list? I see quite a few on Gunbroker with stocks, but you also see SP-89s with foregrips on there all the time and I don't want to get busted with one of those. I assume that lax enforcement and ignorance of a very complex set of laws has lead to this and not liberalization of the list, but I don't know.

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http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-11/atf-p-5300-11.pdf

I think section 3 has what you're looking for.

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An original WWII FN built High Power is automatically on the C&R list due to it's age. Same goes for an original Bolo Broomhandle. Once a weapon is 50 years old, and in original configuration, it's automatically a C&R.

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So the ATF won't go ape if I buy a C/96, and stock/holster?

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Viper shtf wrote:
So the ATF won't go ape if I buy a C/96, and stock/holster?



My understanding is that the exception for shoulder stock pistols only applies for C&R pistols originally designed for a shoulder stock and only when used with original, not reproduction, stocks.

I haven't looked into this for awhile so things may have changed.

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Every mention of these items in the C&R books mentions that it's a gun original made to accept the stock, and accompanied by an original stock.

No repros either of the gun or the stock - an original.

S'how I read it.

Example: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =305989824


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So no repro stock/holsters? damn.

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Trebor wrote:
An original WWII FN built High Power is automatically on the C&R list due to it's age. Same goes for an original Bolo Broomhandle. Once a weapon is 50 years old, and in original configuration, it's automatically a C&R.



There are several c&r lists. The one that I am referring to is the ex-NFA list. Just because something is 50 years old doesn't exempt it from the National Firearms Act. The ex-NFA list is expanded by Congress each year to include things like Winchester 92s with 15 in barrels that fall between a certain serial number range. 14 years ago the bolo and nazi hipower weren't on the list.

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Trebor wrote:
Once a weapon is 50 years old, and in original configuration, it's automatically a C&R.


So all 1911's made prior to 1962 are all C&R's now? and Garands? And some early AR-15s?

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Trebor wrote:
Once a weapon is 50 years old, and in original configuration, it's automatically a C&R.


So all 1911's made prior to 1962 are all C&R's now? and Garands? And some early AR-15s?


Yep. Note the "original configuration" clause though. But, yeah, I'm a S&W collector and now there are a few years of post-57 "Model number" Smiths that I can get delivered right to my door with my C&R FFL. I do need to know the date of manufacture though, which on some guns is hard to determine. (Any S&W made before 1957 used a model name, instead of a model number, so those are easy to tell that they are C&R eligible).

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che4rev wrote:
Trebor wrote:
An original WWII FN built High Power is automatically on the C&R list due to it's age. Same goes for an original Bolo Broomhandle. Once a weapon is 50 years old, and in original configuration, it's automatically a C&R.



There are several c&r lists. The one that I am referring to is the ex-NFA list. Just because something is 50 years old doesn't exempt it from the National Firearms Act. The ex-NFA list is expanded by Congress each year to include things like Winchester 92s with 15 in barrels that fall between a certain serial number range. 14 years ago the bolo and nazi hipower weren't on the list.


Since I'm not familiar with the ex NFA list I can't answer.

Maybe someone on a more C&R oriented firearms board would know. I recommend Gunboards.com

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I'm curious about section 5 of that document, specifically "Things that are both C&R and NFA regulated"

Whats the point? I mean, if you need a tax stamp to get it, what's the point of having it on the C&R list at all?

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It establishes them as collector's items. This is important in states that only allow class three as curios.

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che4rev wrote:
It establishes them as collector's items. This is important in states that only allow class three as curios.


Plus, if you have a C&R license you can get it sent right to your door once the ATF transfer paperwork is approved. This cuts out having to first get it transfered to a MG dealer in your state and then transfered to you.

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