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AR 15 help

Post by D-Train » Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:07 pm

I have acquaintance who is selling his AR and I'm interested, but was hoping for some advice from those who know better than me.
Here's his description:
Professional Ordinance. Got bought out by Bushmaster. Carbon 15. Weighs less than 3lbs. Tactical bag. 3 30rd mags. Red dot. Muzzle break. Got 1500 in it. Make an offer.
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Any thoughts on this particular gun? What would be a fair offer? I don't want to low ball the guy, but I definately can't drop 1500 bones. Thanks in advance.
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Re: AR 15 help

Post by Dave_M » Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:12 pm

Nope. Don't do it.

Spend your money elsewhere. You can get a whole lot of good AR for $1,500

The rifle itself is probably worth slightly less than half of his asking price. He should've dumped this rifle back in December during the craze.
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Re: AR 15 help

Post by Finch » Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:20 pm

i'd say no for 1500 you could get a nice new AR/

Also it looks "post ban" to me ... no lug, fixed muzzle break, no collapsible stock.

and not to sound rude... I think its ugly :)
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Re: AR 15 help

Post by Absintheur » Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:34 pm

I have seen these on Guns America and on Gun Broker for half that asking price. $1500 would buy a nice DPMS, 10 mags, and a case of ammo at the very least.
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Re: AR 15 help

Post by D-Train » Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:37 pm

So what's a fair offer? $800?
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Re: AR 15 help

Post by desert dog » Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:38 pm

Negative on that for zombie work.
.223 = too many "twitchers"
.30 caliber = instant de-animation

Other than that, stay away from this rifle. The Bushy Carbon 15 has a well documented history of Kabooms. Buy decent quality the first time. Prices are dropping, so its a good time to save a little extra and buy a better model.
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Re: AR 15 help

Post by Hoppy » Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:41 pm

:roll: anyway.

no dont do it. its atleast 2X the real price.

1500$ can buy a damn good AR.
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Re: AR 15 help

Post by D-Train » Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:43 pm

Hoppy wrote::roll: anyway.

no dont do it. its atleast 2X the real price.

1500$ can buy a damn good AR.
I definately agree, but there's no way I can spend $1500 on an AR. Not now, probably not ever. So I thought this might be a way to at least a gun I could upgrade a little at a time. Maybe I'll just offer the guy $700 and see what he says. I mean, that's not too much, right?
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Re: AR 15 help

Post by nimdabew » Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:49 pm

For 1500, you could build a Larue stealth complete package, upper and lower.

If I were to buy a rifle for 1500, I would have done exactly what I did with my latest upper.
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Post by Chef » Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:59 pm

I definately agree, but there's no way I can spend $1500 on an AR. Not now, probably not ever. So I thought this might be a way to at least a gun I could upgrade a little at a time. Maybe I'll just offer the guy $700 and see what he says. I mean, that's not too much, right?
Still too much for a gun you'd be using as a chassis for upgrades. If you plan to make a good AR in piecemeal baby steps, you'd be better served by accumulating good parts to start with. $700 would come close to building a very good AR from parts. If you spend $700 on this, you'll wind up discarding most of the junk parts when you eventually upgrade, except that there's no way to fix the craptacular polymer lower short of buying a new forged aluminum lower . . . which you could have started with anyway.

I'd just decline the offer. Seller might be offended by the lowball offer, and you really do not want a Carbon 15. Repeat:you really do not want a Carbon 15.
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Re: AR 15 help

Post by D-Train » Sun Aug 09, 2009 1:03 pm

What's the problem with the Carbon 15? Poor quality?
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Re: AR 15 help

Post by desert dog » Sun Aug 09, 2009 1:45 pm

D-Train wrote:What's the problem with the Carbon 15? Poor quality?
Supposedly, Bushy has remedied problems that Carbon15 were having with cracks and Kabooms. Still, I would not trust one as a SHTF rifle. Many of them have cracked just from being dropped. I would post pics, but do not have permission to do so.

The PO gun that the op wants to buy is one of the POOREST examples of the AR platform you can buy. Many of the key parts are not even interchangeable with an AR15, and new parts can not be found.

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Re: AR 15 help

Post by D-Train » Sun Aug 09, 2009 1:47 pm

Thanks for the advice guys. Looks like I'll be passing on this one.
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Re: AR 15 help

Post by yossarian » Sun Aug 09, 2009 7:04 pm

If you want an inexpensive, lightweight AR then grab a Cav-arms lower for $100 and slap a pencil barrel upper on.
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Re: AR 15 help

Post by Mr. E. Monkey » Sun Aug 09, 2009 7:34 pm

Or spend $750 at Del-Ton and wait a while.
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Re: AR 15 help

Post by Boris » Sun Aug 09, 2009 7:45 pm

That AR looks cheap and ass ugly.
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Re: AR 15 help

Post by jeremy1391 » Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:17 pm

even if you offered him 800 you could get yourself a nice CMMG (i highly recommend them)
i dont trust the carbon 15.
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Re: AR 15 help

Post by Gatorfarmer » Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:43 pm

Yeah, CDNN has been running deals on entry level CMMGs. Around 800, sometimes less, either free shipping or free mags and such thrown in. Good products usually, probably better than Del Ton, etc. That's what I'd buy if I wanted an entry level AR. (I have one CMMG M4 clone and one that's a CMMG lower with the rest of the parts being Colt).

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Re: AR 15 help

Post by Richter » Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:16 am

because of their light weight, Carbon 15's will, I assume, more recoil, and if you are going to get more recoil for a round that small, then I would just suggest moving to like a .308 or maybe even an AK.

I agree with everyone else saying that $1500 is too much. I think he thinks that because it is not that common, that people will jump on it for that price... He's wrong. My Stag Arms model 2T cost me almost $1000 after shipping. http://www.stagarms.com/product_info.ph ... cts_id=207" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; It is more expensive now but you get the idea. I consider my Stags to be top of the line (well, I would give them up for POF weapons) so even CMMG sucks balls compared to Stag. I saw somewhere in another forum where almost everyone thought Stags were superior to Bushmaster and I agree.

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Re: AR 15 help

Post by gordon_freeman » Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:35 am

pmpmzd6 wrote:because of their light weight, Carbon 15's will, I assume, more recoil, and if you are going to get more recoil for a round that small, then I would just suggest moving to like a .308 or maybe even an AK.

Weight is not the issue. The Cav Arms lower is light as well, and I like it just fine.

The problem is durability. The carbon composite materials is known for cracking. The Carbon 15 is a great fun gun, but not much of a fun gun. Glad the OP passed on that rifle, it was a straight up peice of junk. I wouldn't pay $400 for it. Maybe $300 to gut it for spares and parts.

For $1500, you can buy a Colt 6940, a Daniel Defense M4, or even a Noveske Recce Basic. $1500 is enough to get you into the big leagues with the premium makers, why would you settle for junk?

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Re: AR 15 help

Post by Dave_M » Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:37 am

gordon_freeman wrote:For $1500, you can buy a Colt 6940, a Daniel Defense M4, or even a Noveske Recce Basic. $1500 is enough to get you into the big leagues with the premium makers, why would you settle for junk?
You know what I don't understand? With AR's, the top of the line and the lowest bidder are usually priced within one case of ammunition from each other. No reason to buy less in most cases IMO.
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Re: AR 15 help

Post by Haji » Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:06 pm

Have him move the decimal point. $150.00 sounds about right.
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Re: AR 15 help

Post by Liff » Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:38 pm

There is a ton of snobbery in my post, but I would not buy that gun. Price is not the issue.

I like to say that I am too poor to buy something twice. You are also I assume. Buy what you want the first time and enjoy that rifle for a long time. (I think you are there already, just throwing my 2 cents in.)

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