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Re: Going Glock

Post by Matt E. » Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:43 pm

MK,

Good call. I don't rate Glocks. I just shoot them. Switching to the Glock allowed me to put aside any preconceived notions about a particular firearm and just worry about shooting and training.
Glocks aren't perfect...but neither is any thing else. Especially for the price.

You made a good choice.
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Re: Going Glock

Post by yossarian » Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:03 pm

Matt E. wrote:MK,

Glocks aren't perfect...but neither is any thing else

Except the Hi-power, John Moses Brownings finest work. Don't do it, especially that Novak gun. It's a bad time time to buy a Glock, sure prices are coming down a bit but they're still inflated and its still not a Hi-power. Sell the G19 you have, sell plasma, sell the kitchen table, whatever you need to do to be financially solvent. But you'll never be able to replace the gun that finally scratched the itch. I'll wager that quite a few on this board have sold guns out of genuine necessity and it always suck no matter the gun, its just so much worse when it's the gun you always wanted. Anyway, my 2 cents. If you do decide you need to sell it there is pride in knowing that you have what it takes to do right by you and yours.
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Re: Going Glock

Post by Matt E. » Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:21 pm

I'm an equal opportunity kind of guy. I think you should get or keep what you want providing you have a good understanding of the weapon and you have adequate training.
However, I'd like to know what makes the BHP perfect? What makes it better then anything else? Why, for the most part has it gone the way of the dodo bird in this country?
I'd ask you not to cloud your answers with "feelings". I'm curious as to how it performs when compared to other modern pistols.
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Re: Going Glock

Post by yossarian » Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:14 pm

It has "gone the way of the dodo" largely due to manufacturing costs, at least as far as the original FN/Browning guns are concerned. They are no longer produced by FN/Browning at this point. They perform much like a reliable 1911 in a milder shooting, high capacity platform that lacks the unecessary and sometimes annoying grip safety. They never gained the same foothold here in the US as the 1911. For two reasons I suspect. The 1911 has an unmatched nostalgia due to its history in our military and the 9mm luger cartridge was/is slow to be accepted as a serious defensive caliber. (no 9mm vs. 45ACP please) I don't knock glocks, they are good guns for what they are inexpensive, mass produced sidearms designed to effectively and relaibly arm a variety of shooters with varying levels of skill and training.However, they lack the distinction and ,to me, superior ergonomics and shootability of the Hi-power. I will admit to a certain amount of bias, the Hi-power is my "Holy Grail" as well, for now I'm making due with an FEG knockoff.
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Re: Going Glock

Post by USMCSergeant » Fri Aug 07, 2009 1:17 am

Nothing wrong with glock! I carry a G30, and my wife carries the G26. I also own a G19 and it is a pleasant shooting pistol. They are all concealable with the right holster, and they all will fire every time you pull the trigger.
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Re: Going Glock

Post by bookshop » Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:53 am

Don't sell until you have to. Otherwise the money will get spent and you'll be trading the glocks for food.
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Re: Going Glock

Post by mk_ultra » Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:26 am

To those telling me not to do it , sorry , I sold the Novak to a friend yesterday . (still need to sell the other one and the accessories)

We went to the range so , he could shoot the Novak gun and the factory MKIII side by side and decide which one he wanted . Funny thing was , I brought my new G19 along to put a few mags through it and much to my surprise I shot it better than the Novak gun .

To me , at this point it looks like I am losing nothing on the deal .

In fact it has freed up some funds to invest back into some final tweaks I have been wanting to make to my ARs . :D

At this point I am happy with my decision , it is just another step in my evolution as a shooter .

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Re: Going Glock

Post by trickyasafox » Fri Aug 07, 2009 2:49 pm

any plans for a 22 lr conversion? that could really help save costs shooting until you get your work situation squared away

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Re: Going Glock

Post by Matt E. » Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:37 pm

mk_ultra wrote: We went to the range so , he could shoot the Novak gun and the factory MKIII side by side and decide which one he wanted . Funny thing was , I brought my new G19 along to put a few mags through it and much to my surprise I shot it better than the Novak gun .

In fact it has freed up some funds to invest back into some final tweaks I have been wanting to make to my ARs .

At this point I am happy with my decision , it is just another step in my evolution as a shooter .
I think you have stated some important things here.
1) it is QUITE common to shoot glocks well. Particularly in 9mm. Like the BHP it sits very low in the hand and has a light, short trigger.
2) The money you save buying a GLock leaves more to buy accessories, ammo and training. It is one of the VERY few places in the shooting world where you pay little and get a lot in return.
3) Your last sentence was very switched on. Understanding that you don't know what you don't know is the first step toward becoming better. I was once a "BHP guy". However, that was back in the late 80s. Some of the new guns beat it at the game it started. The only real attributes of the HP are that it is comfortable in the hand. Although some like how slim it is, this same slimness actually make it harder to manipulate the pistol while conducting different drills, particularly when wearing gloves. The gun is less reliable then modern designs and far less durable. You can't mount a light on it even if you wanted to. The G19 even holds two more rounds in a standard mag.
I held on to my MK2 for a long time for nostalgic reasons and finally sold it about two years ago because I couldn't think of a single reason why I would grab it opposed to my G19 or SIG 228(at the time). As a good buddy of mine states, sometimes you need to ignore you "feelings" and just dump the bitch. How the gun feels is not relevant and is often not a good indicator of how well you can shoot it. Many have found this out...as you did.
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Re: Going Glock

Post by RevolverOcelot » Sat Aug 08, 2009 1:14 am

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Re: Going Glock

Post by azg23 » Sat Aug 08, 2009 1:19 am

Great choice...Ive been GLOCK for almost 13 years now...carry a G30 with G21 spares. Wife carries a G26 with G17 spares and also have a G21....sold of a few of the otehrs Ive had...I carried a G23 for many years before falling for the G30. Ive sold G17, G19, G22, G27...wish I had the G17 back...thats about the only one I REALLY miss.
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Re: Going Glock

Post by mk_ultra » Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:40 am

To me the HP had it all , it was elegant , and reliable and accurate . My last class was an eye-opener .
Matt E. wrote:Although some like how slim it is, this same slimness actually make it harder to manipulate the pistol while conducting different drills, particularly when wearing gloves.
Here you nailed it . This was the deal breaker for me .
Matt E. wrote:As a good buddy of mine states, sometimes you need to ignore you "feelings" and just dump the bitch. How the gun feels is not relevant and is often not a good indicator of how well you can shoot it. Many have found this out...as you did.
Again , you hit it right on the head . :D
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Re: Going Glock

Post by Kabong30 » Sat Aug 08, 2009 1:24 pm

Matt E. wrote:How the gun feels is not relevant and is often not a good indicator of how well you can shoot it. Many have found this out...as you did.
I think it helps. If the gun is ergonomic and fits comfortably in your hand then you are more likely to practice with it and it ups your proficiency with that weapon. This is obviously secondary to reliability and function.
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Re: Going Glock

Post by Dumptruck » Sat Aug 08, 2009 3:18 pm

I used to be of the opinion that the Glock felt like a brick in my hand. However, I decided to run a few rounds through a Glock 21. I left the gun shop with a Glock 21 haha. I learned to like the feel of the gun and as a SHTF pistol it has definite advantages (parts and simplicity of use).

Ran around 2k rounds through it so far without a single hiccup. It is my fiancee's favorite gun and she has small hands.

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Re: Going Glock

Post by Matt E. » Sat Aug 08, 2009 7:36 pm

Kabong30 wrote:
Matt E. wrote:How the gun feels is not relevant and is often not a good indicator of how well you can shoot it. Many have found this out...as you did.
I think it helps. If the gun is ergonomic and fits comfortably in your hand then you are more likely to practice with it and it ups your proficiency with that weapon. This is obviously secondary to reliability and function.
Where I may agree with you is when the pistol is way too big (IE you can't reach/manipulate the trigger properly) or it is too small (IE you can't effectively hold the gun, control recoil or manipulate it). I may also agree if the pistol caused physical discomfort. I'm sure only those with the smallest hands could make any of these complaints about a Glock, however.
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Re: Going Glock

Post by Arch » Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:33 pm

MK,

Sorry to hear you lost your job - I didn't know.

I went through a similar handgun evolution - my first handgun (25 years ago at 10 years old :shock: ) was a USGI 1911A1. After many years, and tons of SA, DAO, SA/DA, etc I've decided that while: ugly; inexpensive; ergonomically lacking....the G19 and G23 are "ideal" handguns for me.

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Re: Going Glock

Post by Absintheur » Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:59 pm

I still don't like the Glock, every time I shoot one I have to do drills to get my hand and eyes used to lining up the sights again, the grip angle has always been foreign to me. I have owned several including a very early 17, a 17L that I shot for GSSF shoots, and a 19 that I still own (it is a 2 letter gun). Despite my feelings about them I will be the first to say their reliability is approaching legendary status. My 19 has been used by countless students, main reason I kept it was for training people and it has survived everything I have thrown at it. Like the Ever-Ready Bunny it just keep going and going and going. Without a doubt the Glock is the standard that all other polymer guns are held up to and deservedly so. I just wish Gaston had been a 1911 shooter when he designed the grip angle on the thing!
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Re: Going Glock

Post by Sig_Ocelot » Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:48 pm

Kabong30 wrote:Glocks are fine pistols, but they are insanely, outrageously over-rated. I like the grip angle better on my XD. Sorry you had to get rid of the other guns, though. That sucks.
I know! I wish my Glock had a shit trigger, finish that wears off after a week of holster use, and a complete inability to buy replacement parts! Oh wait... NM, I'll stick with Glock, Sig, and Walther.

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Re: Going Glock

Post by Istvan56 » Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:44 am

Congrats on your Glock purchase. My wife has a late Gen I Glock 19 that runs fine despite years of use as a duty gun by the fellow officer I bought it from. I have a Glock 22 that I use as my off duty/EDC gun. (Yes, I leave my issued SIG P229 at work and switch to my Glock 22.)

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Re: Going Glock

Post by Haji » Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:16 am

I just wish Gaston had been a 1911 shooter when he designed the grip angle on the thing!
I have a couple 1911's, and have had them for decades. The finish is all rubbed off from use. I'm most definitely a dyed in the wool, card carrying 1911 Guy club plank owner. That said, the best thing about the Glock is the grip angle. Gripping it properly contributes not only to its cycling, but to its ability to shoot it fast and accurately. The grip angle isn't an accident, and isn't a design flaw. Its a purpose-built feature that makes the Glock one of the best gunfighter's guns there is.
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Re: Going Glock

Post by Oneswunk » Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:46 am

Also started my love for glocks.
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Re: Going Glock

Post by Big B » Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:35 pm

Sorry to hear about your job and having to sell your HPs. I am a big fan of 1911's, but I usually carry a Glock (at work a G22 & G27). My girlfriend loves my Glock 23, and is surprisingly good with it considering she is new to firearms. They are great guns, enjoy.
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