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It took long enough... (pic heavy)

Post by Big and Daft » Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:48 pm

Like I said, it took long enough. A 3 month probation period and a 2 weeks wait for the police - but I finally have my Firearms Certificate (and so does my dad) They turned up on Wednesday and on Thursday we picked up our first rifle, a Remington 770 in .308 and today my dad picked up a Ruger 10/22 in stainless/synthetic, here is the obligatory porn (appologies for the slightly out of focus pictures)

Here they both are, with a little ammo and scoped up:
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Side view of the 770:
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Slightly closer view of the side of the 770:
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Business end of the 770:
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A square side view with the mag out and some .308 next to it:
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Shoddy close up of the Bushnell scope (3-9x40) and reciever:
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Close up side view of the 10/22:
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Even closer side view of the 10/22:
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Another pic of them both side by side:
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Quick picture of the magazines and some ammo:
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And a picture of our very modest stash of ammo in the legally required safe:
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So far we (me and my dad) have only had chance to shoot the 770, we went up to the range yesterday (100 yard range on the top of a hill in the middle of no where) and put 60 rounds through her, took a minor amount of adjustment to get her zeroed in (shooting 4" high 2" left) but after a little dabbling we were hitting what we were aiming at, we didn't have a target as such, just some clay pigeons and Actimel bottles and we could both hit them (firing prone using the bipod) every time. The bolt was a little sticky, however it is almost new - the chap who had it before us fired no more than 50 rounds - but its seems to be a little easier now. We got it out of the shop for £300 and 100 rounds of Prvi .308 cost £40. My dad only picked up the Ruger and ammo today, so we havn't had chance to test her yet, we will be going up to the range next thursday to have a little dabble. The 10/22 cost my dad £450 with scope and a 500 rounds of .22 ammo.
My next purchase will be either a .44/.45 cap and ball revovler (Either a Ruger or Roger & Spencer) or a Marlin in .357/.38 - I'm drawn to the revolver at the moment, but that can all change at the drop of a hat. My firearms certificate allows me to chose from;
.22 semi-auto
.357/.38 Lever
.223 bolt
.308 bolt
.44/.45 black powder revolver

Eventually i'll have one of each, however I need cash before I can afford to buy and feed all of them.

SO what do you reckon, good choices? and what should I purchase next, revovler or lever gun?

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Re: It took long enough... (pic heavy)

Post by elricfate » Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:56 pm

ooo... pretty.

That 770 is a nice piece of machinery.
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Post by Blacklabel » Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:58 pm

Awsome.. sorry you had to jump thru so many hoops but you will have a lot of fun.

the Remington .308 is awesome.... :wink:
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Post by MJS8725 » Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:02 pm

Very nice. Congrats. :D
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Post by BigDanInTX » Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:35 pm

Big and Daft wrote:Like I said, it took long enough. A 3 month probation period and a 2 weeks wait for the police - but I finally have my Firearms Certificate (and so does my dad)
+1 for living in Texas!! =-D

I just need to show my CHL and I can make any impulse purchases I want. That is both a good AND a bad thing!! ;-]

Those look great. Glad you got some new toys to play with.
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Post by OhioMe » Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:38 pm

Congrats.

Talk more of your countrymen into doing the same. More shooters = less fear of shooters.
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Post by Brit-ZedHunter » Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:47 pm

Thats awesome ! They look like a sweet pair of rifles.

I only recently got my Shotgun Cert and I really have the shooting bug.

Did you manage to get those just for target shooting or did you get some land on your cert as well?

I recently discovered that the clay ground I shoot at also has a Pistol and Rifle club. I was thinking of checking it out.

How hard was it to get the firearms cert? I was thinking of starting off at the rifle club with a non-FAC air rifle and just try to get talking to some people. I'm guessing they have club guns and I can start a probationary period that way. I would imagine (but please correct me) that if I have already got a shotgun cert (so passed all the relevant checks) and I have passed the probationary period at a club it would not be too difficult.

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Post by Big and Daft » Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:12 pm

Thanks for all the nice words, they are in fact both my dads rifles (he has more cash than me the swine) but i'm allowed full access and use of them, so lucky me :)

Our rifles are just for target shooting, we have no land to shoot over ATM. Getting the FAC was quite easy, an old friend/neighbour of my dads and I is a member of a shooting club (committee member no less) he had to invite both of us up to shoot and to start our probabtionary period another club member had to 'sponser' us and then our tortuous 3 month wait started. We had to put in at least 7 appearences in the 3 month period and do a little shooting with other members rifles (I have loaded and shot all sorts of flintlocks and other muzzle loaders) and when the 3 months were up, pay our membership and get our memebership card and number. Off the chairman who owns a Barrett M95, in .50BMG - he has to go to a military range to use it, but I have held it.
THEN we had to fill in our firearms applications, you need some basic info. name, age, ect. Then you need to get two referees to fill in a seperate form each and if you intend to go target shooting one of the referees has to be a commitee member (did I mention, we already know on of the commitee memebers? :)) and the other referee has to be someone you've known for a good few years and unlike your shotgun certificate, it DOESN'T have to be a lawyer, MP, doctor type person. It can be anyone who knows you personally for some years. Your referees also have to sign a passport photo of you. Then you have to put down what calibres of gun you would like to be allowed to buy and for what reason (target shooting, hunting, over land, zombies?) and if you want moderators for them or not, then you have to specify how much ammo of each calibre you would like to buy at anyone time and how much you would can have in your possesion at any one time. For rimfire its round about 1000/1200 and for centrefire 500/600 and for my lever gun i have 250/300 for both .38 and .357, my dad also has all the same on his FAC. Then you post off you application, wait a week or so (I only had to wait a week, GMP and lightning quick, i've read about people who have had to wait over 6 months) and you local Firearms Officer phones you up and comes to chat to you about how much ammo you want and why and where you intend to store your firearms and ammo, both have to be kept seperate from one another in a lockable steel container, securley bolted to the wall and floor. When he/she has visited you, you wait another week, or longer and you FAC drops through your letterbox, then you go running to your local firearms dealer and proceed to fill your credit card up! Hope this clears things up a little. From what I have read its a bit like trying to get a Class 3 in the US.

Brit-ZedHunter, I say go for it, the club usually has guns for you to use under supervision and there will be a probationary period and you can use you shotgun cabinet for your rifles, but you'll need a small safe for the ammo - B&Q £40 - and thats it basically, ask around at your clay ground, most shooting clubs I know of are always looking for members, so definalty go for it 100%

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Post by Brit-ZedHunter » Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:30 pm

Brit-ZedHunter, I say go for it, the club usually has guns for you to use under supervision and there will be a probationary period and you can use you shotgun cabinet for your rifles, but you'll need a small safe for the ammo - B&Q £40 - and thats it basically, ask around at your clay ground, most shooting clubs I know of are always looking for members, so definalty go for it 100%
Thanks for the encouragement! (while i didnt really need too much :p)

Its cool that I can use my shotgun safe for rifles too, thats already been police approved so thats a head start in itself. Does the ammo safe have to be bolted to the wall also? Can it be in the same room as the shotgun / rifle safe? I think I am going to call the rifle club tomorrow :D If my girlfriend asks why I want a rifle I am so going to blame you. Then, Sunday is clay shooting day so its time to get some more shoulder bruises!
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Post by Big and Daft » Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:37 pm

Our safes are on top of our shotgun/rifle cabinets, so yes! They have to be bolted to a wall/floor same as you shotgun cabinet. If you have a 'good reason' to want a firearm, then you will be OK to get one basically.

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Post by planter » Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:47 pm

Go for the lever action. I've got a .357 Marlin - better than the Winchester I had before. Out of interest, what PRVI ammunition are you shooting?

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Post by Domino » Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:22 pm

Wow that sounds like a huge headache and I am sure that its all in who you know. I find the limitations on the firearms you can have very strange. You can have a .357 lever action but not a revolver? You can get a rifle in .308 but not 30-06 or the countless other rifle cartridges that could get better performance? Strange, who makes these decisions and what is their justification I wonder?

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Post by Brit-ZedHunter » Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:29 pm

Our government seems to think that if they let us have various types of gun that we willl suddenly turn from a responsible law abiding citizen to a rampaging maniac.

In all hosesty, I wish I did know what they were thinking when they decided what we can and cant have to shoot on a range with.
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Post by Brash » Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:31 pm

Very nice mate. Congrats. :D
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Post by Big A » Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:52 pm

Not trying to tell you what to get, Sir, but I would go with
the .38/357 lever-action, in your situation it's the closest
you will likely get to a SHTF weapon, in my opinion.

I'd like one of those babies for myself, to go with my S&W
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Post by Shadowsbane » Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:13 pm

I will never again complain very loudly about the price of ammunition, you guys have it rough.
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Post by dixieboy30513 » Sat Aug 02, 2008 11:23 am

wow nice guns, sorry you had to go through so much to get them.

btw get the lever action it will be more useful than a cap-n-ball revolver IMHO
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Post by Makarov » Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:52 pm

Congrats on you're buy. I agree on going for the leveraction next.
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Post by Big and Daft » Sat Aug 02, 2008 3:29 pm

Thanks all, very kind words - i'm very happy!

The Prvi is 150 grain SP, need to go and stock up on some more. Down to just 40 rounds - I can normally only get FMJ, but that'll do the trick i'm sure.
The firearms limitation almost kind-of makes sense, our firearms have to have a 12" barrel and be 24" overall so revolvers are a no go (unless black powder type) and as for calibre, I could of asked for a .338 Lapua, or a .300 win mag or a 30-06, basically anything our range is approved for, like a mentioned before there are some miltary ranges approved for .50BMG, if you're a member you can apply form one - but we have more chance of getting surplus 7.62x51 in the UK so we went for that option (Although I really want an Accuracy International .338 rifle, but I don'y have £3500 spare)

The lever gun is what I was intending to buy next, fun to shoot and a nice SHTF rifle, but only 60 minutes ago I made a new purchase, a Pietta 1858 New Model Army in .44 with 8" barrel. Only fired 6 caps but new apart from that, with 1lb powder, powder flask, 100 ball, 100 wad, powder measure, 94 caps, cap tool, nipple wrench and spare nipples and a big block 'o grease for only £155. Such a good price I had to buy it. Will post pictures tomorrow :)
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Post by Brit-ZedHunter » Sat Aug 02, 2008 3:42 pm

Damn thats sweet. After reading your post I checked with that range I mentioned that is on the same site as the clay ground I shoot at.

See my other thread, it seems quite restricted:

http://zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopi ... 16&t=32753


But I had a look and most others in my area llook the same.

I think I will join anyways though, its so convenient. Not sure what I would buy to shoot there though.
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Post by planter » Sat Aug 02, 2008 4:05 pm

Have a look at:

http://www.ammo-zone.co.uk/Home.aspx

You might want to try some of the German surplus ammo they stock. Mate of mine calls it Werewolf because it's nickel plated - silver bullets you see. Took me a minute to get that one when he told me...

Also, you might want to try PRVI's .308 168gn HPBT. It's a nice round - not quite cometition/sniper grade, but good for the money - I got it for £46 a 100. Have a look in Target Sports magazine and you might be able to find a cheaper stockist near you. Let me know if you can't find anything.

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Post by Big and Daft » Sat Aug 02, 2008 4:21 pm

Do ammo-zone post out, or is it collection only? I kinda doubt the post it out :(

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Post by planter » Sat Aug 02, 2008 4:51 pm

They might ship to an RFD, but I doubt it... I know York Guns have some of the German Ammo if that's any use. Have a look at:

http://www.yorkguns.co.uk/whats_new.php

Bit more expensive mind. Apparrently a few places have it - might be worth shooping around. Try to find some RG surplus if you can get it as well.

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Post by Ad'lan » Sat Aug 02, 2008 5:04 pm

Is target shooting a Justifiable Reason for possesing a 357/.38 Lever or a .44/.45 black powder revolver. I'm just curious, I thought that although tecnically possible to own, finding a justifiable reason for owning those was quite hard.

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