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Post by DropZedFred » Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:03 pm

Retired US Military, I am also an NRA Life Member and I belong to a local club.
Decided to get off my butt and order an M1 before the new administration could potentially pull the plug on them.

Filled out the paperwork, and realized that, against what others had told me :oops:, I have been eligible all a long... Gah!!

That's my fault for not looking in to it - I know better. :x

So, I meet all the pre-req's, fill out the 4 pages of forms, order an H&R Service Grade rifle, as I have heard VERY good things about these and I don't give a rat's butt about getting a "Springfield" or if it ever "saw action". I need a reliable US Made service weapon for matches, since I no longer have an issue weapon for the Navy Match Armory.

So, here's the timeline (subject to updates):

Mailed from "Sasquatch Country": 13 May
Email confirmation from CMP: 16 May

Stated 45 days due to backlog
I went to the CMP online store (https://estore.odcmp.com/store" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) and created an account to view the status.
This status WILL NOT change from blank, until the item is fully processed and ready to ship, I sent one email 20 days after to ask if the status had changed, since there were no updates on the site, and they gave me that little tidbit.

Order Processed: 25 June (41 Days)

I had the store set as a default browser homepage tab, so each day it loaded to show nothing. On the 25th there were 2 items added with no shipping information, only stating they charged my card and have processed 6 shipping tags for FedEx shipment. Links to FedEx were good, but stated there was no data on these items.

Shipped: 26 June (42 Days)
Once the browser opened, I was greeted with a "Shipped" status, but again the FedEx links had no data.

*Update: 27 June (43 Days!)
Fist rub - FedEx links show "Processed" as FedEx - Next Day Air - Adult Signature Required, shipped 26 June, for delivery 27 June (Today!) and, of course, I am at work until 5PM. The FedEx station is 56 miles away, and closes at 5:30PM. Once again, the laws of physics plot against me. This does bring up one interesting point - why the hell am I bitching about overnight service that seems to be working exactly as it is expected to? Good thing I'm taking a Psychology class this quarter...

The 6 separate ammo shipments all still stay "no updates", so I don't know anything on them. Rather than pester CMP, I'm going to "Trust the Process" as the bumper sticker suggests...

**BooYah! Crisis averted - the wife called in late for work, she was able to sign for them and was only 20 minutes late (rather than me getting off 4 hours early and driving 75 miles tonight). Wife says there is one long box and one small box. With any luck, it is the Rifle and one case of ammo W/ clips vs. the boxed ammo ordered. - Coming soon: Garand Porn!

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Post by phil_in_cs » Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:14 pm

If your shipping address and your billing address are different, it will very likely go to the billing address instead of the shipping address.

Took them over a month just to send me ammo.

But look on the bright side - isn't this a great nation when we can be high quality surplus battle rifles and ammo from our govt at a discount?

I will get another garand, but its down the priority pipeline from some other things I need.
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Post by DropZedFred » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:24 pm

Update - 27 June:
Ammo shipped today, arrives 7 July - FedEx - Adult Signature Required
So now the question is, what is in the small box? Christmas in June pix to follow I guess....
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Post by Sig_Ocelot » Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:50 am

So the CMP doesn't send the Garand to a FFL dealer, just directly to your house? Sweet.
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Post by DropZedFred » Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:42 am

Yep, that's why there is 4 pages of paperwork - they are the dealer and ship direct.

Update:
The mechanical parts are amazing, no signs of wear, the finish is 95%+.
The wood - well, it is a service grade weapon, that's for sure.
I may break down and get a new walnut stock, but for now it's 0000 steelwool and linseed oil.
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Post by phil_in_cs » Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:50 am

DropZedFred wrote:Yep, that's why there is 4 pages of paperwork - they are the dealer and ship direct.

Update:
The mechanical parts are amazing, no signs of wear, the finish is 95%+.
The wood - well, it is a service grade weapon, that's for sure.
I may break down and get a new walnut stock, but for now it's 0000 steelwool and linseed oil.
I'd love to see the before pictures, to have a idea of what to expect in 'Service Grade'. I noticed the other day that Midway sells fiberglass stocks for Garands, in addition to the walnut.
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Post by HHaase » Sat Jun 28, 2008 6:55 pm

The CMP is a fantastic place to buy firearms from if you are willing to go through the paperwork. I've bought both a Springfield M1 Garand and a Winchester Carbine from them. Prices are more than fair, and it's widely considered to be the only "Safe" place to buy a Garand. Yes, there are some highly respected restoration guys out there, but your average gun-shop Garand has a lot of potential problems that a CMP Garand won't have. There are a lot of re-welds, patched up drill rifles, fake stocks and re-parked stuff being sold as "New" on the market for absurd prices.... with the CMP, you don't have to worry about that stuff.

The ammo delay is supposedly just a short term thing while they shuffle some pallets in from their long-term storage warehouse to the shipping warehouse. The HXP .30-06 is very high quality stuff, with a great price. They are going to run out eventually though, so buy while you can.

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Post by Coal-Cracker » Sun Jun 29, 2008 3:50 pm

DropZedFred wrote:Yep, that's why there is 4 pages of paperwork - they are the dealer and ship direct.

Update:
The mechanical parts are amazing, no signs of wear, the finish is 95%+.
The wood - well, it is a service grade weapon, that's for sure.
I may break down and get a new walnut stock, but for now it's 0000 steelwool and linseed oil.
Sounds a lot like the Service Grade I got the other year. The park was really nice and saw little wear at all. The wood needed some work but ended up cleaning nice.
Mine was a Springfield, but lots of H&R parts on it though (ie., bolt, oprod, sights, gas cylinder, etc.)

Here it is after a few hours (okay, MANY hours) with some linseed oil and steel wool:
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Here it in a Boyds stock with his younger brother:
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Post by DoubleTap » Sun Jun 29, 2008 7:08 pm

As Ned Flanders would say: "Sin of coveting."

Great work with the stock.

I recently shot an M1 Garand for the first time and instantly fell in love with it. I understand that to buy from CMP, however, you need to compete in at least one sanctioned match with a miliary rifle.

I've heard that some matches will allow participants to use a Mini 14. Can any of you CMP folks confirm or deny this?
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Post by phil_in_cs » Sun Jun 29, 2008 8:56 pm

DoubleTap wrote:As Ned Flanders would say: "Sin of coveting."

Great work with the stock.

I recently shot an M1 Garand for the first time and instantly fell in love with it. I understand that to buy from CMP, however, you need to compete in at least one sanctioned match with a miliary rifle.

I've heard that some matches will allow participants to use a Mini 14. Can any of you CMP folks confirm or deny this?
A Service Rifle match must be that; something used by military. That means (at least) Krag, Enfield, Springfield, Garand, M1 Carbine, M1A, or AR. Some clubs allow for any nation's military, which adds a host of Mauser and other rifles. High Power rules can be found at the NRA's website, but IIRC pretty much anything center fired would work.

A CMP Sanctioned John C Garand match is Krag, Enfield, Springfield, Garand, or M1 Carbine. Many clubs and people have rifles they might loan for a match to get you qualified so you can get your own.
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Post by HHaase » Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:17 am

DoubleTap wrote:As Ned Flanders would say: "Sin of coveting."

Great work with the stock.

I recently shot an M1 Garand for the first time and instantly fell in love with it. I understand that to buy from CMP, however, you need to compete in at least one sanctioned match with a miliary rifle.

I've heard that some matches will allow participants to use a Mini 14. Can any of you CMP folks confirm or deny this?
It doesn't have to necessarily be a sanctioned match, there are a number of criteria that can fill the shooting requirements section, as long as it's recorded. Military or Law enforcement service. Marksmanship courses. Concealed Carry license. FFL or C&R. Hunter safety course with live-fire. Or they also have a simple form that you can have filled out, you just need to have a LEO or range/club official fill it out. I used my Military service as my qualifier initially.

As to Mini-14's being permitted, it all depends on what kind of match you are shooting. NRA High-Power shooting as well as the CMP sanctioned events usually require a military service rifle. But trap/skeet, smallbore, pistol and airgun matches also count. Check for local shooting clubs, most of them hold some type of matches on a regular basis and the good ones can even supply the rifle to shoot with. You need a club membership of some type anyways, so check out what is available locally.

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Post by DropZedFred » Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:24 am

That stock is 1,000 times nicer than mine...
Was it fairly dented, with some light scratches? If so, how did you take care of those?
MEANTREE came by and took a peek at it, he was impressed with the look and feel of the finish parts as well.
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Post by Coal-Cracker » Mon Jun 30, 2008 2:54 pm

DropZedFred wrote:That stock is 1,000 times nicer than mine...
Was it fairly dented, with some light scratches? If so, how did you take care of those?
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Yep, some of the dents were pretty considerable and it was scratched and dinged up as well. The stock looked nowhere near what it looks like now.

What I did to raise the dents and get off those years of crud was run the stock through the dishwasher. It really does wonders to old stocks. I'd only recommend this with a non-collector stock though as there is always a chance of damage from the steam, water and heat. This cleaning is commonly called the "Dishwasher Method" on milsurp boards.
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Post by DropZedFred » Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:55 pm

You did all the wood that way?
Looks like I have a project while the wife is working Friday and MEANTREE and I are reloading. I'll bump the water heater off the "people safe" mode for the day....
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Post by DoubleTap » Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:22 pm

HHaase wrote:
DoubleTap wrote:As Ned Flanders would say: "Sin of coveting."

Great work with the stock.

I recently shot an M1 Garand for the first time and instantly fell in love with it. I understand that to buy from CMP, however, you need to compete in at least one sanctioned match with a miliary rifle.

I've heard that some matches will allow participants to use a Mini 14. Can any of you CMP folks confirm or deny this?
It doesn't have to necessarily be a sanctioned match, there are a number of criteria that can fill the shooting requirements section, as long as it's recorded. Military or Law enforcement service. Marksmanship courses. Concealed Carry license. FFL or C&R. Hunter safety course with live-fire. Or they also have a simple form that you can have filled out, you just need to have a LEO or range/club official fill it out. I used my Military service as my qualifier initially.

As to Mini-14's being permitted, it all depends on what kind of match you are shooting. NRA High-Power shooting as well as the CMP sanctioned events usually require a military service rifle. But trap/skeet, smallbore, pistol and airgun matches also count. Check for local shooting clubs, most of them hold some type of matches on a regular basis and the good ones can even supply the rifle to shoot with. You need a club membership of some type anyways, so check out what is available locally.

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Thanks for the information. Turns out I already have the necessary qualifications. Goodbye economic stimulus check, hello military surplus rifle & ammo!
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Post by DropZedFred » Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:38 pm

That's what I'm talking about...
I dropped $1,200 on the Garand, 4 SPAM cans of Bandoliers and 2 cases of loose ammo (boxed), 1,700+ rounds. Tough to beat...
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Post by DoubleTap » Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:01 am

While we're on the topic, is "correct grade" worth the extra money, or should I just invest in more ammo? I'm not too concerned about cosmetics or resale value, but I do want something with maximum lifespan and shooting performance left in it.
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DoubleTap wrote:While we're on the topic, is "correct grade" worth the extra money, or should I just invest in more ammo? I'm not too concerned about cosmetics or resale value, but I do want something with maximum lifespan and shooting performance left in it.

I think the Service Grade guns are the best value for the money spent. The correct grade guns seem to be more of a collector gun to me.

For a shooter, I'd go Service Grade. I wouldn't drop below that to Rack or Field grade though unless you already plan to rebuild the gun into a match rifle with a new barrel, etc. Rebarreling to .308 no longer makes sense economically, so there's not much point to that anymore.

The thing to look at when you decide is what the CMP says the TE (throat erosision) and muzzle wear would be for the various grades. You want the lowest TE and MW possible. Anything under 3 on the TE would be best, if possible.
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Post by thorian » Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:55 am

You know I am torn I want one of the Garands but they are also going to be releasing the m1917 SMLE enfelds that our boys used in ww1. I always wanted an enfield and one in 30-06 seems really the way to go.
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Post by DropZedFred » Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:14 am

I agree with Trebor, I did some research and lurked the Garand sights. The Service Grade SA is a shooter/collector because they've "seen action", the HRA's (like I got) are known for better fit finish and condition (post war - newer) and the Collectors are for, well, collecting. I wanted an out of the box shooter that had plenty of miles left, but wasn't a "project" gun.
If you are building a .308 Garand or a match gun, you can go with FAR Lower grades since the barrel and stock will be replaced anyway, you only need an original receiver, trigger group and gas system. - Hope this helps...
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Post by HHaase » Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:37 am

The thing about "correct" grade is that you aren't necessarily going to get a rifle in significantly better condition. The big deal is that it has all the "Correct" parts for its date of manufacture, though generally they are in a bit better condition as well. Just don't expect a perfect rifle even if you pay the extra cost. For a rifle to shoot, Service Grade is the best overall deal. If you're looking for a project, a Rack Grade with new barrel and stock can go a LONG way.

As to the M1917's (which, by the way are very very different from the No1Mk3 SMLE and No4 Enfield, just make sure it's what you want.), last week they were still saying it would be 2009 at the earliest. Finding all that new info for September 2008 sales is some good news. My Dad just picked one up from a neighbor, so I'll be skipping it this time around I think.

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Post by Trebor » Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:17 pm

thorian wrote:You know I am torn I want one of the Garands but they are also going to be releasing the m1917 SMLE enfelds that our boys used in ww1. I always wanted an enfield and one in 30-06 seems really the way to go.

The M1917 is NOT the same as #1 Mk 3 Enfield (SMLE) or a #4 Mk 1 Enfield.

The 1917 was designed by the British to *replace* the #1 Mk 3 Enfield. It also had a different caliber originally instead of the .303 Brit. The British called it the "Pattern 1914 rifle." The big difference is that the 1914 is more like a Mauser rifle then an Enfield rifle. When WWI started the Brits abandoned their plan to scrap the Enfield and re-arm with the Pattern 1914. They did make some, chambered in .303, and most were relegated to training duties or used as the base for a sniper rifle conversion.

When the U.S. entered WWI we didn't have enough 1903 Springfield rifles to arm our troops. Two U.S. manufacturers were already making the Pattern 1914 rifle for the Brits in .303. It was therefore a relatively simple matter to convert the design for our .30 - '06 round and manufacture the rifles for U.S. use. We called it the Model of 1917. It is also sometimes (incorrectly) referred to as the Pattern 1917 rifle. The troops called it the Enfield, but it is not what you would think of as an Enfield rifle.

You are correct in that most U.S. troops were issued the Model of 1917 rifle instead of the 1903 Springfield. After WWI we had more 1917's on hand then Springfields and some though was given to making the 1917 our new service rifle. Instead we kept the Springfield as our service rifle and disposed of most of the 1917's. Some were given to the Phillipines, some were sold as surplus, and some were kept in reserve stock.

Btw, since it will be 2009 before the CMP releases these rifles, I advise you to get a Garand *now* while they are still available, and then save up a little more for a Model of 1917 in 2009. The Garand is twice the rifle of the 1917 in my opinion. (Nothing wrong with it, it's just not a Garand)
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Post by DropZedFred » Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:19 pm

phil_in_cs wrote: I'd love to see the before pictures, to have a idea of what to expect in 'Service Grade'. I noticed the other day that Midway sells fiberglass stocks for Garands, in addition to the walnut.
I'll upload some this weekend.
Midway is having a sale on the composite stocks this month....
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Re: CMP M1 Garand - My Story...

Post by HHaase » Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:26 pm

Trebor wrote:
thorian wrote:
Btw, since it will be 2009 before the CMP releases these rifles, I advise you to get a Garand *now* while they are still available, and then save up a little more for a Model of 1917 in 2009. The Garand is twice the rifle of the 1917 in my opinion. (Nothing wrong with it, it's just not a Garand)
Totally agreed. If there are two rifles that NOW is the time to buy, one of them is the Garand. The good supplies of overseas rifles are basically gone now, when the CMP runs out of the current batch of Greek returns, the next group is far far lower in quality. And they don't have that many left either.

The other rifle to get NOW, while they are affordable, is the K31 Schmidt-Rubin. It's incredible the quality of rifle you can get for $200, particularly with how ungodly accurate they are for a mil-surp. I honestly think they are an even better deal than the $225 brand new SKS's you can get.

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