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opinions on mouse guns and similar caliber weapons

Post by gelgoog » Sun Apr 13, 2008 6:43 pm

this top is for the discussion of all handguns in the caliber of .380 and below. yes we all know the superiority of 9mm and above, so lets not even go there.

These are the main candidates for small autos in my mind( i may be missing a few options).

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NAA .380

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Seecamp .380 ( a more expensive version of the NAA)

Kel-tec .380
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beretta tomcat .32
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Taurus .22
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then you have compact frames

Bersa .380
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AMT backup .380
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colt pony .380
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fan favorite walther PPK .380
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personally im leaning towards a walther PPK because I like the ergonomics of the pistol. sure there might be some hammerbite, but i doubt you'll notice it when it really counts.

so anyone have any experience with any of these pocket autos, if so do tell.

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Post by Zdigger » Sun Apr 13, 2008 6:48 pm

what no cheapo Raven .25's?

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Post by Dave_M » Sun Apr 13, 2008 6:51 pm

For almost the same size, you could have a 9mm

The Keltec PF9
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Post by gelgoog » Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:19 pm

DavePAL84 wrote:For almost the same size, you could have a 9mm

The Keltec PF9
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yes, but this is a no nine discussion so :P

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Post by armored_pig » Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:31 pm

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I rather like the bersa! It has a decocker.. Its no subcompact, but pocket carries just fine regardless..

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Post by Jamie » Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:36 pm

What...no NAA mini revolver...king of the teeny-tinies...

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Post by Dave_M » Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:38 pm

gelgoog wrote:yes, but this is a no nine discussion so :P
bah, it isn't much larger than most of the pistols you posted and smaller than some. It should count.
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Post by PHMadness » Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:57 pm

Just for the record, the Seecamp is not a more expensive version of the NAA, the NAA is a cheaper knockoff of the original.
Heres mine and its custom UBG holster. www.ubgholsters.com
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Post by gelgoog » Sun Apr 13, 2008 8:09 pm

DavePAL84 wrote:
gelgoog wrote:yes, but this is a no nine discussion so :P
bah, it isn't much larger than most of the pistols you posted and smaller than some. It should count.
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Post by GoSlash27 » Sun Apr 13, 2008 8:27 pm

You forgot the new Ruger. :lol:

My P3AT is still pretty new, but I like it. It's the lightest and slimmest and the mag release is in a good spot. That's why I chose it over the Rohrbaugh.
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Post by Woods Walker » Sun Apr 13, 2008 8:27 pm

I mouse gun. Here is my Berretta .22 I also have the same gun in .25. Why? It is a long story.

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The top mouse gun is a NAA .2lr/mag. The bottom is a cheap .22 single shot short. The middle gun is a SPS101 .357 and is no mouse gun. I think the .22 short has less killing power than a tooth pick.

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This AMT .380 mouse gun is guarding the squash from raccoons and possums.

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Post by LittleTeapot » Sun Apr 13, 2008 8:29 pm

I have the Bertta Tomcat .32 and really like it. When I don't want to/or can't carry
a full size weapon, it's a great size for me.

It's a great size for me (as far as the smallest pistol I want to own) and the caliber is not too shabby.

IMHO, tactics are just as important as caliber. So, a small caliber pistol can still be an effective weapon.

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The only negative I have with the Beretta Tomcat is the teeny-tiny-itty-bitty-baby-miniscule springs (for
some of the components) that are under the grips.

I took off the grips to clean the weapon and one of the springs came out.
Then, more springs popped out from the domino effect.

IT WAS THE ONLY WEAPON IN MY LIFE THAT I COULD NOT PUT BACK TOGETHER (because the FREAKIN' springs
were so FREAKIN' small).


I took it to a gunsmith and he said "I hate putting these things back together".

So, now I NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER take the grips off.


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Post by bae » Sun Apr 13, 2008 8:39 pm

Ruger LCP

Walther PPS, if you are considering a PPK. I have both, and the PPS is a much nicer pocket-carry gun.

Sig P232 - I have one of these two, and it's much nicer than my PPK.

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Post by Patient Zer0 » Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:37 pm

parrothead.madness wrote:Just for the record, the Seecamp is not a more expensive version of the NAA, the NAA is a cheaper knockoff of the original.
Heres mine and its custom UBG holster. www.ubgholsters.com
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However, if I remember correctly, the Seecamp is limited to only shooting Winchester Silver Tips. I think that is the only ammo that will work in that gun. I prefer more options for ammo.
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Post by Sol Invictus » Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:51 pm

...the S&W Airweight or the Taurus C.I.A. double-action only? I know the KelTec ( which is a good, reliable pistol ) is smaller, but I personally believe in a revolver as a concealed-carry. Even in the best automatic pistol, you have the potential for failures whereas with a revolver, you just pull the trigger for the next round.

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Post by PHMadness » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:07 pm

Patient Zer0 wrote: However, if I remember correctly, the Seecamp is limited to only shooting Winchester Silver Tips. I think that is the only ammo that will work in that gun. I prefer more options for ammo.
I have run Silvertips, Fiocci, Corbon and Gold Dots through mine.
I prefer the Gold Dots myself.
There simply aren't many choices in hollowpoint .32ACP, but I haven't found one that didn't work. No ball ammo will fit in the mag.

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Post by MantisCell » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:20 pm

I want to check out a Ruger LCP ,but none of the stores around here have any to hold .

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Post by grand94jeep » Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:19 pm

I love my Bersa .380 for CCW, but most days a carry my XD.40.


I'll be carrying my .380 more this summer as shorts weather comes around.

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Post by Fire » Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:33 pm

I have a femaru m-37 in .380- it was an officers weapon from hungary in the late 1930's- its a mouse caliber, but these days there are smaller .45's (and it is based on the 1911 design..)

I also just got an 1895 nagant revolver, and that is definitely a mouse caliber- But is GUN FROM RUSSIA....(said in loud russian voice)
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Post by Obiwan » Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:17 am

I am with Dave...if you are going to carry a small caliber it should be in a small pistol

The larger units are really no smaller than a good 9mm pistol
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Post by phil_in_cs » Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:44 am

Obiwan wrote:I am with Dave...if you are going to carry a small caliber it should be in a small pistol

The larger units are really no smaller than a good 9mm pistol
My dad has a .45LC derringer. Its very small. Not fun to shoot, but its small and hits hard. I have an AMT Backup in .380, which is a nice pistol too, and will shoot JHP reliably.

I agree with these guys, that if your goal is something small, get something small. It can still be in a major caliber. Col. Cooper often cited some study that said in half of self defense situations, the problem was solved by the mere fact the defender had a pistol, not by shooting it.
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Post by Jonas » Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:00 am

I happen to think that having a mouse gun is generally better than no gun at all, the exception being for people who get a false sense of invulnerability from carrying.

I've always wondered if just brandishing a NAA mini revolver would actually deter an attacker. Whenever showing people my gun collection, the usual response to the mini is "Is that real? It's soooo cute! Can you hurt someone with it?" followed by 5 minutes of arguing with them that it is potentially lethal.
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Post by GoSlash27 » Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:14 am

I want to check out a Ruger LCP ,but none of the stores around here have any to hold .
Grab a P3AT. It's the same thing :lol:
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Post by GoSlash27 » Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:19 am

I can't imagine brandishing as a tactic. If I'm drawing my pistol, he'd best be doing everything in his power to give me a reason to not shoot, 'cuz I ain't waitin'. :lol:

Question is is the .22 worth going to the trouble to discharge?
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