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Post by Cianalas » Thu Jan 20, 2005 9:21 pm

Won't a .357 also take .38 bullets? I seem to recall reading that at one point. Excuse my ignorance, I know very little about pistols, but I'm thinking of getting one this summer.

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Post by SMERSH » Thu Jan 20, 2005 9:33 pm

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Post by RealityDeviant » Thu Jan 20, 2005 9:49 pm

Revolvers are sexy.

...Ahem. But yes, .357 magnums will eat .38 special bullets.
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Post by *Mike* » Thu Jan 20, 2005 9:50 pm

I consider it a bonus...
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Post by SMERSH » Thu Jan 20, 2005 10:05 pm

how bad is the recoil on a .357 magnum?
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Post by *Mike* » Thu Jan 20, 2005 10:22 pm

I didn't think it was that bad, but you might want to ask someone who actually owns one...
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Post by Cricket » Thu Jan 20, 2005 10:26 pm

I've got one, the recoil was almost non-existent for me, it was just the damned noise it made.

Its louder than my WASR.

I can almost stand my WASR with no problem with no earplugs.

WITH earplugs it was still loud.

I think mine is a REALLY common one.

I'll have to ask my dad (he's the one who bought it) what it is exactly, I think its a S&W.

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Post by RealityDeviant » Thu Jan 20, 2005 10:50 pm

SMERSH wrote:how bad is the recoil on a .357 magnum?
In my experience, it's tolerable. You'll have to get used to it, but it's not bad at all. I've shot my dad's Ruger GP100 many times and I enjoy it a lot. If my first gun is a revolver, that's the kind I'll get.
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Post by Wylycoyte » Thu Jan 20, 2005 11:31 pm

Felt recoil is highly dependent on the weight of the gun and the pressure of the loads you're shooting. I have a .44 magnum that's normally fairly pleasant to shoot. Stainless steel, 6" barrel. If I was shooting a titanium frame snubbie with maximum pressure loads, well, even an ardent masochist might not like that combination.
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Post by Joe Ghoul » Thu Jan 20, 2005 11:46 pm

I have one of those Taurus 8 shot .357s. Between the porting, and the fact that it is milled on a .44 frame, recoil is not a factor.

.357 rounds feel like .38s. .38s feel like .22s.

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Post by RealityDeviant » Fri Jan 21, 2005 12:41 am

Joe Ghoul wrote:I have one of those Taurus 8 shot .357s.
What do you think of those, anyway? I haven't heard much about them save for an objection raised by some competition shooters about the weak crane and yoke assembly.
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Post by Civilian Scout » Fri Jan 21, 2005 10:01 am

I have a Smith & Wesson Model 65 with a 3 inch barrel. Recoil is largely dependent upon bullet weight. With 110 or 125 grain bullets, it's not bad. 158 grain loads have a wrist-snapping kick. The noticable thing with mine, and most short-barrelled magnums, is the muzzle blast. With full power 125 grain loads, mine blows a cone of fire about 3 feet long out the barrel.
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Post by raptorman » Fri Jan 21, 2005 12:51 pm

Wow people...you would actually choose six shots and a very shitty reload times over sixteen shots and fast reload times? There is a reason why us military types don't carry revolvers anymore. Personally, I say fuck the revolver, and go with modern weapons. Nostalgia is one thing, but trying to kill ten corpses with six shots is another.

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Post by Wylycoyte » Fri Jan 21, 2005 12:54 pm

raptorman wrote:Wow people...you would actually choose six shots and a very shitty reload times over sixteen shots and fast reload times?
Heck, I'd choose 5 shots and even shittier reload times for some applications. :D

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Zombie killin' ain't one of those applications, though. :?
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Post by raptorman » Fri Jan 21, 2005 1:05 pm

Wylycoyte wrote:Heck, I'd choose 5 shots and even shittier reload times for some applications. :D Zombie killin' ain't one of those applications, though. :?
Unfortunately this IS a zombie survival website/forum. You can have your five shots, but I'll still have 11 when you run out. Just doesn't make sense to carry these museum peices. To each their own. Terrible weapon when considering it is mentioned on a zombie survival forum in a firearms section.

On another note, go to wal-mart today and look at the relation between 9mm/.45/.40 and then .357 rounds available.

It would be much tougher to scavenge for these rounds.
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Post by Wylycoyte » Fri Jan 21, 2005 1:11 pm

raptorman wrote:
Wylycoyte wrote:Heck, I'd choose 5 shots and even shittier reload times for some applications. :D Zombie killin' ain't one of those applications, though. :?
Unfortunately this IS a zombie survival website/forum. You can have your five shots, but I'll still have 11 when you run out. Just doesn't make sense to carry these museum peices. To each their own. Terrible weapon when considering it is mentioned on a zombie survival forum in a firearms section.

On another note, go to wal-mart today and look at the relation between 9mm/.45/.40 and then .357 rounds available.

It would be much tougher to scavenge for these rounds.
Which is probably why I carry a Glock 19 daily.

I own a .44 manglem for hunting, and will probably get a .454 for the same reason.
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Post by Coal-Cracker » Fri Jan 21, 2005 1:18 pm

Wylycoyte wrote:Felt recoil is highly dependent on the weight of the gun and the pressure of the loads you're shooting. I have a .44 magnum that's normally fairly pleasant to shoot. Stainless steel, 6" barrel. If I was shooting a titanium frame snubbie with maximum pressure loads, well, even an ardent masochist might not like that combination.
Yep. I've shot a .454 Casul with a 3" (I think) barrel. That thing was a handcannon. Almost to the point of being impractical.
The guy who owns it carries it as his protection piece. I hope he doesn't need a fast follow-up shot with that kind of recoil. (He's the kind of guy that always has to have the biggest caliber he can get, no matter how impractical. He's such a terd.)

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Post by Wylycoyte » Fri Jan 21, 2005 1:23 pm

Coal-Cracker wrote:Yep. I've shot a .454 Casul with a 3" (I think) barrel. That thing was a handcannon. Almost to the point of being impractical.
The guy who owns it carries it as his protection piece. I hope he doesn't need a fast follow-up shot with that kind of recoil. (He's the kind of guy that always has to have the biggest caliber he can get, no matter how impractical. He's such a terd.)
That is pretty stupid. Even the one I pictured above is probably too small for me and what I want it for.

But hey, if he ever gets attacked by an allosaur, he'll be the one who's laughing, not us!
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Post by Civilian Scout » Fri Jan 21, 2005 2:22 pm

raptorman wrote:
Wylycoyte wrote:Heck, I'd choose 5 shots and even shittier reload times for some applications. :D Zombie killin' ain't one of those applications, though. :?
Unfortunately this IS a zombie survival website/forum. You can have your five shots, but I'll still have 11 when you run out. Just doesn't make sense to carry these museum peices. To each their own. Terrible weapon when considering it is mentioned on a zombie survival forum in a firearms section.

On another note, go to wal-mart today and look at the relation between 9mm/.45/.40 and then .357 rounds available.

It would be much tougher to scavenge for these rounds.
If one shot always equalled one kill, your logic would be flawless. But we all know this is not always the case. And even then, it seems that in a serious PAW survival situation, having a couple of handguns chambered for some of the more common rounds would be a wise decision. This way any scrounged ammo is more likely to be useful for something other than a paperweight. You might have a high-capacity pistol that is your first choice for everyday use, but there are mountains of .38 and .357 ammo out there. I for one would like to be able to use some of that if I had to. I'm not a gung ho revolver advocate, but a little regular practice with one would also seem prudent for survival training. You might have to use one someday to save your ass, and they do shoot and handle differently than pistols. I've seen people who were fantastic pistol shots and couldn't hit shit with a revolver; and no, it wasn't the gun's fault. They were just so used to firing pistols that revolvers were alien to them. One may have one's preferences, but one should be as proficient and flexible as one can be. This enhances one's chances.
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Post by raptorman » Fri Jan 21, 2005 2:28 pm

There is some logic to your post, but you saying that you would carry the weight of an extra revolver "just in case" you needed it over your modern Glock, is like me saying I'm gonna carry an eight track tape, just in case I come across an eight track player.

If I run out of ammo, and need to ditch my Glock/Walther pistols for some weird reason, I have a carbine to get me to another one.

It is good to be well rounded and proficient, but carrying the extra weight of a revolver on the run just in case you run out of shell for your main pistol is a little extreme for me.

Gonna carry a musket too? Just in case your main rifle runs out of regular ammo?
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Post by Civilian Scout » Fri Jan 21, 2005 2:40 pm

Trust me, if I'm to the point where I'm carrying everything I own on my person, there will most likely NOT be a revolver involved. If things were a little better, and I had a vehicle or some place to hole up or stash some supplies, then I'd have one "just in case." And the musket reference is a little extreme too. A revolver may be primitive in comparison to a Glock, but it's not a single shot firearm that takes the better part of a minute to reload. Revolvers are not THAT disadvantaged so as to be completely useless.

I had to edit this because someone distracted me here at work and I mistyped. Damn co-workers.
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Post by multipass » Fri Jan 21, 2005 3:02 pm

raptorman wrote:Wow people...you would actually choose six shots and a very shitty reload times over sixteen shots and fast reload times? There is a reason why us military types don't carry revolvers anymore. Personally, I say fuck the revolver, and go with modern weapons. Nostalgia is one thing, but trying to kill ten corpses with six shots is another.

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Well raptor i semi agree with you. i would choose a sig saurer P226 with a 15 round clip over a six chamber revolver anyday. BUT i would have a short barreled .357 in a specialy made boot holster for any of them occasions where your boot is keeping a door closed which is being kept open by a zombie. pull the revolver from the boot/ankle holster and vow it's brains out if you in a hurry.
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Post by Wylycoyte » Fri Jan 21, 2005 3:07 pm

multipass wrote:BUT i would have a short barreled .357 in a specialy made boot holster for any of them occasions where your boot is keeping a door closed which is being kept open by a zombie. pull the revolver from the boot/ankle holster and vow it's brains out if you in a hurry.
You could do the same with a Kel Tec .32 or .380, and it'd keep you from walking with a limp while you carried it.
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Post by Civilian Scout » Fri Jan 21, 2005 4:27 pm

Wylycoyte wrote:
multipass wrote:BUT i would have a short barreled .357 in a specialy made boot holster for any of them occasions where your boot is keeping a door closed which is being kept open by a zombie. pull the revolver from the boot/ankle holster and vow it's brains out if you in a hurry.
You could do the same with a Kel Tec .32 or .380, and it'd keep you from walking with a limp while you carried it.
With an alloy-framed S&W, the weight difference would be neglible. It would, however, cost at least twice if not three times what a Kel-Tec would. And I don't have much faith in the .32 or .380 rounds.
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