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Unknown Gun

Post by The Twizzler » Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:08 pm

I was walking through the local gun store today when I came across something I didn't know existed. It's to expensive for my blood, but I thought I would post it here to see what the hive mind thinks.

Chinese C-96 chambered in 45 acp.
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Now I knew they were copied in China and sold to china in rounds like 7.63 and 7.65 Mauser and even 9mm Luger. I had never heard about them chambered in 45. The photo is just a stock internet photo but the local shop wants 3500.00 for it.


I found this on wiki for those interested.

During the Warlord era of Chinese history in the early 20th century, the province of Shanxi was ruled by warlord Yen Hsi-shan, who had established a modern arms factory in his capital city of Taiyuan. Yen was equipping his troops with a locally produced copy of the Thompson submachine gun, chambered for the .45 ACP cartridge, but was experiencing supply difficulties as his troops' sidearms were 7.63mm calibre C96 handguns.[29]

Yen's solution was to produce a .45 ACP caliber version of the C96, thus standardizing ammunition and making supply logistics easier.[29] Designated Type 17, production of the .45 caliber handgun began in 1929 at the Taiyuan Arsenal and ended in 1931. They are inscribed (in Chinese) "Type 17" on the left hand side of the gun, and "Republic Year Eighteen, Made in Shansi" on the right hand side.[29] They were issued (along with Thompson SMGs) to railway guards in the province as defense against bandits and other warlords.

Besides being chambered for a larger cartridge, the Shanxi .45 pistols use a noticeably larger frame than their 7.63mm counterparts, with the 10-round magazine extending below the trigger guard and a 155 mm (6.1 in) barrel. It was loaded using two five-round stripper clips rather than the single 10-round stripper clips of the standard 7.63mm Mauser. Because of the overall increase in size, Type 17 pistols share no interchangeable parts with any other C96 variant.

Most of the Shanxi .45 pistols were melted down after the Communist victory in the Chinese Civil War, largely due to their odd caliber for Chinese Communist standards, but a few examples were exported overseas for sale on the commercial market.[29] Approximately 8,500 Shanxi .45 caliber Broomhandle pistols are believed to have been produced by the Taiyuan Arsenal,
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Re: Unknown Gun

Post by JeeperCreeper » Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:49 pm

That's one of my dream guns. Never saw one in person.

I really want someone to recreate one in 9mm... But modernized.

Be really cool with a pistol brace. Kinda like a pistol caliber carbine but more pistol oriented
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Re: Unknown Gun

Post by Stercutus » Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:55 am

I always think of Escape to Athena When I see a C96. That movie made me actually want one with the little stock. Imagine my disappoint when I grew up and found out about the paperwork nutroll and the void of 50 State legal issues.

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Re: Unknown Gun

Post by MacWa77ace » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:12 am

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I always think of Escape to Athena When I see a C96. That movie made me actually want one with the little stock. Imagine my disappoint when I grew up and found out about the paperwork nutroll and the void of 50 State legal issues.

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Re: Unknown Gun

Post by raptor » Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:15 pm

Funny when I think of a C96 I think of a ZS member (who used to frequent this site ) when young and broke used a C96 given to him as his CCW...also I think of Winston Churchill who used one in one of Boaer Conflicts and sang the praises of the C96

I think (know) I would pass on a Chinese War Lord version of a C96 chambered in .45acp for $2,900.
Because ...Well after all... what could go wrong with an ~ 88 year old firearm manufactured under difficult circumstances in a caliber different from the original design and re-engineered by unknown persons with all key dimensions different from the original design?

Getting back to the C96, it was truly a game changer for many nations and private citizens when it was introduced. It was a marvel of engineering and IMO the first (not THE first) truly successful semi-auto pistol and pistol/carbine.

Granted the Borchardt C-93 predated it and had similar features, but IMO the most lethal thing about the Borchardt was its appearance. If looks could kill that ugly pistol would be a killer. :lol:

I am not sure what is most recognizable a P-08 or a C-96.


BTW a link to abacus and his c-96
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Re: Unknown Gun

Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:37 pm

I have yet to see a C96 in any gun shop out here.

I've seen plenty of Luger P-08s, Tokarevs of varying countries of origin (the Romanian ones seem to be the most prevalent) and the occasional Nagant revolver, but never a C96.

I've seen plenty online, though.

Unfortunately, they're usually either way out of my price range or they're so beat to hell that any restoration work on them would cost more than the gun is worth.

Still doesn't stop me from wanting one, though.

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Re: Unknown Gun

Post by DarkAxel » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:41 pm

Stercutus wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:55 am
I always think of Escape to Athena When I see a C96. That movie made me actually want one with the little stock. Imagine my disappoint when I grew up and found out about the paperwork nutroll and the void of 50 State legal issues.

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The C-96, Star automatics, and other early stocked pistols are specifically exempted from the NFA and do not require tax stamps.
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Re: Unknown Gun

Post by NT2C » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:18 pm

DarkAxel wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:41 pm
Stercutus wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:55 am
I always think of Escape to Athena When I see a C96. That movie made me actually want one with the little stock. Imagine my disappoint when I grew up and found out about the paperwork nutroll and the void of 50 State legal issues.

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The C-96, Star automatics, and other early stocked pistols are specifically exempted from the NFA and do not require tax stamps.
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Re: Unknown Gun

Post by NT2C » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:46 pm

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Re: Unknown Gun

Post by SMoAF » Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:08 pm

IIRC, the actual Mauser that's the inspiration for that was the 712. The biggest mag I ever found was a 20 rounder. Mine was a pre-May Dealer Sample, which I don't really regret selling.
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