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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:07 pm 
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I just got off the phone with a friend. He is a person who is not into firearms but enjoyed going to the range with me. We were in the process earlier this week of setting up a date and time for such a range trip with his son. His son is into firearms and wanted to show his dad his new firearms.

Unfortunately, the son is now in the hospital after a negligent discharge from his brand new 9mm Beretta. He apparently was fooling around and managed to shoot himself in the shin. He will live and his leg will heal but it is just one more example of why you always, without exception, treat your firearm as though it is loaded.

All things considered, he was lucky, he will recover, albeit in a lot of pain and will likely remember this for the rest of his life, especially when it gets cold.

Negligent discharges happens! Do not let them happen to you.

I am just going to leave this link to this cartoon this as a reminder.

http://ftf-comics.com/?comic=mdb-fairies

You should assume that M.D.B. fairies are real.

That & ... There but for the grace of God go any of us.
So repeat after me ...

The firearm is ALWAYS loaded!

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Rule No. 1: ALWAYS treat ALL firearms as if they were loaded.
If you have never been around a negligent discharge of some type you have yet to spend much time around firearms.
Glad your friend's son is alright. There, but for the Grace of God, go I. Right on.

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A friend of mine is currently in jail on child endangerment charges right now because of an ND that happened a couple weeks ago.

Dude had an AK on his recliner to take pictures for a sales ad he was making and apparently the gun slipped off the chair, hit the ground and discharged a round that struck his wife in the lower leg.

Cops were called out and my friend is now sitting in jail on child endangerment charges along with several other charges because of it.

ETA: Raptor, I'm glad your friend's son is going to be ok.

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Great post Raptor. That's the first thing I always tell people. I've never had one, but I am absolutely paranoid about mine. I always double check just in case I missed something. I even have a cut down firing pin for my AR when cycling my reloads to make sure there's no slam fires. I know of a guy that had a ND and shot himself in the shoulder/neck area, he survived but is pretty messed up.

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There is nothing louder than a gun that shouldn't have gone off.

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Negligent discharges happens! Do not let them happen to you.

I am just going to leave this link to this cartoon this as a reminder.

http://ftf-comics.com/?comic=mdb-fairies

You should assume that M.D.B. fairies are real.

That & ... There but for the grace of God go any of us.
So repeat after me ...

The firearm is ALWAYS loaded![/quote]




Thanks, Raptor. Just spent 45 minutes reading COMICS.

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Never had one...because THE GUN IS ALWAYS LOADED!!!
I don't have any guns that don't have a round in the chamber. Even the pump action shotties, that I was yelled at to keep it in "box load" during my last shotgun class.

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ND's suck on multiple levels. There is always some type of permanent damage be it to life, limb, property, or hearing.

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In our home we have no kids or mentally impaired people, so we take it one step further.

House rule... if you can access it without going through a lock, it is most definitely loaded because we intentionally load them.

Explanation is as follows:

If I need a gun for home/self-defense, I don't need an empty gun, I need one gassed up and ready to roll on an instant's notice.

If a gun is put away (last season's hunting shotgun or rifle) there's no need for it to be loaded, until such time as it is taken out of the safe and typically transported, and upon reaching the destination, it gets loaded.

It's very simple and removes ambiguity. All guns, in our home, ARE QUITE LITERALLY LOADED AT ALL TIMES, if you can get to them without a combo or key.


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Rule No. 1: ALWAYS treat ALL firearms as if they were loaded.

At Home: Rule No. 1: ALWAYS treat ALL firearms as if they were loaded.
At work: Rule No. 1: ALWAYS treat ALL firearms as if they were loaded.
In the truck: Rule No. 1: ALWAYS treat ALL firearms as if they were loaded.
Found in the water while we seine: Rule No. 1: ALWAYS treat ALL firearms as if they were loaded.

Explanation: Rule No. 1: ALWAYS treat ALL firearms as if they were loaded.

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I've only had one ND in my life and it scared the hell out of me when it happened. Fortunately, no one was injured, but it really hit home later that I could've hurt or killed one of my friends or myself had I not been pointing my pistol downrange when it went off.

The story of my first (and hopefully only) ND goes like this.

My friends and I were at a private range owned by one of them and we had just finished doing a rapid fire drill (well, my friend called it a drill, but it was more of a torture test on our guns). As the range went cold and we went back to reload our mags, I failed to notice my 1911's slide had not fully locked back on the empty magazine and went to clear it. Instead of dropping the mag and cycling the slide back to clear it like I usually did, I instead pulled the trigger on what I assumed was an empty chamber. I never noticed the hammer was in the cocked position because I had become complacent by that point. That was my first mistake and it could've been a costly one. Instead of a click, I was rewarded for my stupidity with a very loud BANG and a ringing in my left ear (I had taken one of my ear plugs out by this point). I immediately dropped the now empty pistol and I remember cursing out loud. This prompted my friends to come over and check on me because they had assumed I had accidentally shot myself. I did a quick check to see if I had gained any new holes in my body and couldn't find any, so I then asked if anyone else was hit and then to figure out where my ND had put the round.

Turns out, my ND had hit a wrecked truck just down range and that was the only thing hit. I stopped shooting for the day after that and spent the rest of the range trip feeling like a total idiot.

My friends assured me that it was just an accident (which I should've never let happen, I thought to myself) and that everyone was fine.

Since then, I've been very cautious not to let something like that happen again. Like has been said numerous times in this thread "The firearm is always loaded."

Even if you know the firearm has nothing in the chamber, double check to make sure because all it takes is one misstep or one brief period of laziness and you can end up with a new hole in either yourself, a loved one or friend or your wall.

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12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
...had I not been pointing my pistol downrange when it went off.

Not entirely negligent then IMHO. It was at least pointed in a safe direction.

The only thing I've had that was close to an ND was an unexpected discharge of my Mossberg 500 when chambering a shell. Fortunately, as we were shooting on the outdoor range we'd built on my ex's property in NYS, I was on the firing line, the range was hot and the gun was pointing almost straight up when I racked it. Later investigation determined there was carbon buildup on the sear that caused the slam fire. I paid a lot more attention to cleaning my trigger groups after that. (I now run them through my ultrasonic cleaner every few hundred rounds after coming home from the range.)

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KJ4VOV wrote:
12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
...had I not been pointing my pistol downrange when it went off.

Not entirely negligent then IMHO. It was at least pointed in a safe direction.

The only thing I've had that was close to an ND was an unexpected discharge of my Mossberg 500 when chambering a shell. Fortunately, as we were shooting on the outdoor range we'd built on my ex's property in NYS, I was on the firing line, the range was hot and the gun was pointing almost straight up when I racked it. Later investigation determined there was carbon buildup on the sear that caused the slam fire. I paid a lot more attention to cleaning my trigger groups after that. (I now run them through my ultrasonic cleaner every few hundred rounds after coming home from the range.)


Yeah, I'm still thankful that I had the foresight to at least have the pistol pointed in a safe direction before my ND happened.

At least I made sure to follow that particular rule. I just wish I'd have followed the one about making sure my gun was unloaded as well.

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