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[quote="Halfapint"][quote="KJ4VOV"]I did a job for a diamond dealer on Long Island many, many years ago. He wanted a secure room and we created that for him. The door was a standard sized door (80"x36" IIRC) that we purchased from a company in Pittsfield, MA that also built armored trucks. It was made of laminated steel sheets with other materials as part of the "sandwich" that made it impregnable by anything up to and including a .50 BMG, and pretty impervious to things like cutting torches and drills. This was in the 1980s and I believe the door cost us around $9,000

It was a lot of years ago and I probably got some details wrong. My dad was still running the company then and I was just the foreman on that crew. One bitch of a door to install though. No room in that part of the house to get anything like a forklift in so it was all done with muscle power.[/quote]

I thought about that, but remembered this is the same room that the furnace (custom made cast iron, wood burning, central heat furnace) is in it's got big French doors, that are little higher than standard but, dunno if a forklift will fit. That 9k is actually a little lower than I thought, so thanks. I understand it was a while ago, but at least gives me a little bit to work with. I may not go that route but gives me an idea![/quote]


My buddy was going to do it to his custom built house (family owns a construction company) but they were so expensive for built-to-order vault doors. But he decided to wait until a bank closes down and was going to try and buy their old vault doors and such (family also owns an excavating company).

I think that's how the story goes but I haven't seen him in quite a while and I don't think progress was made. Regardless, I bet you're looking at more than 10 Grand

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So this Reformation thing is a bloody musket.

it has lands and grooves, but they are not twisted and thus do not impart any spin to the bullet. They apparently only exist to place the gun in a sort of never-never land between rifles and shotguns.

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The stock is an under folder and locks up rather tight. I did not notice any perceptible slop in the stock. The FOLD button allows you to fold the stock in half. The latch just behind the FOLD button is what locks the barrel in place when stored.

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Sorry to interrupt the shotshow love fest going. However I'm curious if anyone has had a custom made vault door made? The house on the property has a "wine" cellar. It's apart of the house that was built into the hillside. It's concrete on 3 sides, with a VERY thick (4-5') Oak door and reinforced thick wood front. I was thinking eventually I'd see if it would be at all feasible to fill the inside with concrete and putting in an vault door to hold the guns, and other high value preps (also be used as a shelter if need be).

Has anyone done anything like this? If so how much did it cost?


I would look at something like micarta for the door. It might be cheaper than steel. It is also a pain to work with, but it sure is durable. They use it in some armor applications and a half inch will stop a lot. If you are interested I'll have to talk to my buddy to know what thickness to use. We tested a bunch about 10 years ago. He still works for the company.

Here is a company which makes plates in the right sizes. You could contact them for quotes. I"m linking to them because I happened to find them on Google. So no affiliation.

http://supplies.foundryservice.com

Oh, and it is also very heat and impact resistant. At least the stuff we tested.

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Damn, beat me to the AR's I had a laugh when I saw that.... For $1300-1600 you can own a rifle with nothing on it! Got a good laugh....

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Damn, beat me to the AR's I had a laugh when I saw that.... For $1300-1600 you can own a rifle with nothing on it! Got a good laugh....

Yeah, I don't think the retro rifles are as popular today as they were five or six years ago.

I even jumped on that fad, and built a little retro-ish carbine. 16" mid-length pencil barrel with Nodak mid-length triangle hand guards, A1 stock and PG, and a C7 upper receiver (great for lefties like me). Light & handy, barely knew it was there when bumming around on my property.



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Yeah, I don't think the retro rifles are as popular today as they were five or six years ago.

I even jumped on that fad, and built a little retro-ish carbine. 16" mid-length pencil barrel with Nodak mid-length triangle hand guards, A1 stock and PG, and a C7 upper receiver (great for lefties like me). Light & handy, barely knew it was there when bumming around on my property.


I just built a really nice light one. Had the A2 buffer tube and the little butt pad thing that (I think you found) was posted here. That thing is soooooo light. the upper is a "slick slide" doesn't have the assist and no dust cover. the barrel is SS, really digging how light it is when carrying it around. I just got the "shorty a2" buffer tube but was stupid and forgot to order the carbine buffer and spring (funny rifle buffer and springs don't work :lol: ). I need a proper scale but this thing I swear is under 6lbs.

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I did a job for a diamond dealer on Long Island many, many years ago. He wanted a secure room and we created that for him. The door was a standard sized door (80"x36" IIRC) that we purchased from a company in Pittsfield, MA that also built armored trucks. It was made of laminated steel sheets with other materials as part of the "sandwich" that made it impregnable by anything up to and including a .50 BMG, and pretty impervious to things like cutting torches and drills. This was in the 1980s and I believe the door cost us around $9,000

It was a lot of years ago and I probably got some details wrong. My dad was still running the company then and I was just the foreman on that crew. One bitch of a door to install though. No room in that part of the house to get anything like a forklift in so it was all done with muscle power.


I thought about that, but remembered this is the same room that the furnace (custom made cast iron, wood burning, central heat furnace) is in it's got big French doors, that are little higher than standard but, dunno if a forklift will fit. That 9k is actually a little lower than I thought, so thanks. I understand it was a while ago, but at least gives me a little bit to work with. I may not go that route but gives me an idea!



My buddy was going to do it to his custom built house (family owns a construction company) but they were so expensive for built-to-order vault doors. But he decided to wait until a bank closes down and was going to try and buy their old vault doors and such (family also owns an excavating company).

I think that's how the story goes but I haven't seen him in quite a while and I don't think progress was made. Regardless, I bet you're looking at more than 10 Grand


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I had a Neighbor once who had umm ,exotic weapons. He partitioned off part of his garage to make a safe/gun/ammo room. He was a pipefitter by trade so he welded up a plate steel door and frame and inside the walls he welded rods onto steel grate and stock panels. I don't live in the same state anymore and I'm pretty sure he's passed or I would see if I could get some pics

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I did a job for a diamond dealer on Long Island many, many years ago. He wanted a secure room and we created that for him. The door was a standard sized door (80"x36" IIRC) that we purchased from a company in Pittsfield, MA that also built armored trucks. It was made of laminated steel sheets with other materials as part of the "sandwich" that made it impregnable by anything up to and including a .50 BMG, and pretty impervious to things like cutting torches and drills. This was in the 1980s and I believe the door cost us around $9,000

It was a lot of years ago and I probably got some details wrong. My dad was still running the company then and I was just the foreman on that crew. One bitch of a door to install though. No room in that part of the house to get anything like a forklift in so it was all done with muscle power.


I thought about that, but remembered this is the same room that the furnace (custom made cast iron, wood burning, central heat furnace) is in it's got big French doors, that are little higher than standard but, dunno if a forklift will fit. That 9k is actually a little lower than I thought, so thanks. I understand it was a while ago, but at least gives me a little bit to work with. I may not go that route but gives me an idea!

If your furnace is in that room then there will likely be local building and fire codes (not to mention the national codes) that will dictate what type of door may be installed. Your oak door is grandfathered, any door replacing it will have to meet current code. Generally, that means it has to be a UL rated fire door.

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Nobody's posted here in almost 72 hours.

I didn't think that was possible. Did everyone go to SHOT and get drunk?

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Nobody's posted here in almost 72 hours.

I didn't think that was possible. Did everyone go to SHOT and get drunk?


Nope. I can't get into SHOT and I gave up drinking years ago. Also gave up smoking too.

If all goes well tomorrow, I'll be coming home with a new to me Beretta APX. I'm supposed to meet up with the guy who has the APX to check it out and he wants to check out my GP100. If we agree to the trade deal, he gets my GP100 and I get the APX.

I've done a bunch of research on the APX and it's a great gun according to the reviews and articles I've read. Even the video guys on YouTube love the gun, aside from "TheYankeeMarshall", but that guy hates everything that's not a revolver.

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Nobody's posted here in almost 72 hours.

I didn't think that was possible. Did everyone go to SHOT and get drunk?


Nope. I can't get into SHOT and I gave up drinking years ago. Also gave up smoking too.

If all goes well tomorrow, I'll be coming home with a new to me Beretta APX. I'm supposed to meet up with the guy who has the APX to check it out and he wants to check out my GP100. If we agree to the trade deal, he gets my GP100 and I get the APX.

I've done a bunch of research on the APX and it's a great gun according to the reviews and articles I've read. Even the video guys on YouTube love the gun, aside from "TheYankeeMarshall", but that guy hates everything that's not a revolver.

What caliber is the APX?

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Nobody's posted here in almost 72 hours.

I didn't think that was possible. Did everyone go to SHOT and get drunk?


Nope. I can't get into SHOT and I gave up drinking years ago. Also gave up smoking too.

If all goes well tomorrow, I'll be coming home with a new to me Beretta APX. I'm supposed to meet up with the guy who has the APX to check it out and he wants to check out my GP100. If we agree to the trade deal, he gets my GP100 and I get the APX.

I've done a bunch of research on the APX and it's a great gun according to the reviews and articles I've read. Even the video guys on YouTube love the gun, aside from "TheYankeeMarshall", but that guy hates everything that's not a revolver.

What caliber is the APX?


It's a 9mm, MP.

If it wasn't a 9mm, I wouldn't have offered my GP100. Not a big fan of the .40 S&W round, to be honest.

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If all goes well tomorrow, I'll be coming home with a new to me Beretta APX. I'm supposed to meet up with the guy who has the APX to check it out and he wants to check out my GP100. If we agree to the trade deal, he gets my GP100 and I get the APX.

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If all goes well tomorrow, I'll be coming home with a new to me Beretta APX. I'm supposed to meet up with the guy who has the APX to check it out and he wants to check out my GP100. If we agree to the trade deal, he gets my GP100 and I get the APX.

Thirteenth time's a charm?


The deal is still up in the air and there's a chance the guy might not like my gun, but yeah that's pretty much it. :lol:

ETA: Deal fell through. Guy with the APX had a better deal pop up and my GP100 is off the table. Looks like I'm meant to keep it, I guess.

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I haven’t found it yet, but reportedly there’s a firearm somewhere in this picture.

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I just watched the "Reformation" reveal video they played at SHOT Show this year and it seems the gun was way overhyped.

Apparently, the ammo for the gun is proprietary (and reminds me a lot of the old GyroJet rounds) and the price is too high for what the Reformation is. Which seems to be a modern version of the GyroJet pistol from the 1960's.

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Apparently, the ammo for the gun is proprietary (and reminds me a lot of the old GyroJet rounds) and the price is too high for what the Reformation is. Which seems to be a modern version of the GyroJet pistol from the 1960's.

Erm, the Gyrojet launched miniature rockets from a smoothbore tube....Just sayin'.


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Apparently, the ammo for the gun is proprietary (and reminds me a lot of the old GyroJet rounds) and the price is too high for what the Reformation is. Which seems to be a modern version of the GyroJet pistol from the 1960's.

Erm, the Gyrojet launched miniature rockets from a smoothbore tube....Just sayin'.


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I know that, but it's the closest thing I could think of when I watched the video. Now that I think about it, the ammo for the Franklin Armory Reformation reminds me more of a shotgun slug. I forget the name of the company, but I know I've seen slugs that had a weird hourglass sort of shape to them and that's what the Reformation rounds look like to me.

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Apparently, the ammo for the gun is proprietary (and reminds me a lot of the old GyroJet rounds) and the price is too high for what the Reformation is. Which seems to be a modern version of the GyroJet pistol from the 1960's.

Erm, the Gyrojet launched miniature rockets from a smoothbore tube....Just sayin'.


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I know that, but it's the closest thing I could think of when I watched the video.




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Ghetto(That was an autocorrect word for "the" but I'm leaving it cuz it's funny) reformation can be fired with regular ammo as well. I think 300blk then later 5.56 will be released. Granted, it will keyhole and tumble a bullet at living room distances but it'll put holes in a bad guy. I think it's a cool idea since its a loophole, but you won't be seeing me save up for one.

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RickOShea wrote:
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RickOShea wrote:
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Apparently, the ammo for the gun is proprietary (and reminds me a lot of the old GyroJet rounds) and the price is too high for what the Reformation is. Which seems to be a modern version of the GyroJet pistol from the 1960's.

Erm, the Gyrojet launched miniature rockets from a smoothbore tube....Just sayin'.


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I know that, but it's the closest thing I could think of when I watched the video.




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JeeperCreeper wrote:
Ghetto(That was an autocorrect word for "the" but I'm leaving it cuz it's funny) reformation can be fired with regular ammo as well. I think 300blk then later 5.56 will be released. Granted, it will keyhole and tumble a bullet at living room distances but it'll put holes in a bad guy. I think it's a cool idea since its a loophole, but you won't be seeing me save up for one.


Ok, I didn't see where the Reformation could fire standard ammo. The video I watched made it sound like it fired a proprietary round only.

And now I feel like a dumbass. :oops:

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