Firearms Chat 5: #pewpewlife

General discussions regarding topics that aren't covered in one of the other sub-forums. NO DISCUSSION OF POLITICS!

Moderators: ZS Global Moderators, ZS Postal Match Officers

Locked
User avatar
RickOShea
ZS Lifetime Member
ZS Lifetime Member
Posts: 8680
Joined: Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:24 pm
Location: Gulf Coast, AL

Re: Firearms Chat 5: #pewpewlife

Post by RickOShea » Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:10 pm

12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:I did some garage sale shopping the other day and picked up a Choate SKS stock for almost nothing.
Which one?
whisk.e.rebellion wrote: It's not what you say anymore. It's how you say it.

Image ............................................................................................................................................................................................Image

User avatar
12_Gauge_Chimp
ZS Lifetime Member
ZS Lifetime Member
Posts: 6527
Joined: Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:21 pm
Location: Middle of nowhere, West Texas
Contact:

Re: Firearms Chat 5: #pewpewlife

Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:32 pm

RickOShea wrote:
12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:I did some garage sale shopping the other day and picked up a Choate SKS stock for almost nothing.
Which one?
I'm not sure of the exact model, but it's the one with a side folding butt stock.

User avatar
JeeperCreeper
ZS Member
ZS Member
Posts: 2214
Joined: Mon Aug 25, 2014 2:49 am
Favorite Zombie Movies: Twilight... making zombies of our future generations
Location: Yo Momma's House

Re: Firearms Chat 5: #pewpewlife

Post by JeeperCreeper » Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:27 pm

COMMON SENSE POST...

I was shooting some pumpkins this weekend with my 16 inch 30-30. I was using Federal 150 gr non-typicals... they are flat nosed soft points.

In comparison to the hollow-points and round nose ammo of the same weight and velocity: the flat nose ammo left entrance holes the size of a child's fist, where all the other 30-30 ammo made .30 caliber holes. Exit holes were about the same.

Now, I know pumpkins are not a ballistic standard, but I think there is something to be said for using flat nose ammo in soft/aqueous mediums. I carried them white tail hunting but passed up a shot at 20 yards on a 6 point... so who knows if pumpkins and deer are made of the same material...
They see me trollin', they hatin'.... keyboardin' tryna catch me typin' dirty
Halfapint wrote:There are some exceptions like myself and jeepercreeper.... but we are the forum asshats. We protect our positions with gusto
zero11010 wrote:The girlfriend is a good shot with a 10/22.
Her secondary offense will be nagging.

User avatar
woodsghost
* * * * *
Posts: 2847
Joined: Thu May 16, 2013 3:45 pm

Re: Firearms Chat 5: #pewpewlife

Post by woodsghost » Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:53 pm

JeeperCreeper wrote:COMMON SENSE POST...

I was shooting some pumpkins this weekend with my 16 inch 30-30. I was using Federal 150 gr non-typicals... they are flat nosed soft points.

In comparison to the hollow-points and round nose ammo of the same weight and velocity: the flat nose ammo left entrance holes the size of a child's fist, where all the other 30-30 ammo made .30 caliber holes. Exit holes were about the same.

Now, I know pumpkins are not a ballistic standard, but I think there is something to be said for using flat nose ammo in soft/aqueous mediums. I carried them white tail hunting but passed up a shot at 20 yards on a 6 point... so who knows if pumpkins and deer are made of the same material...
There are some old hunters who would agree rather strongly that flat points knock down game and have a more significant impact on target. Some swear by wadcutters. But then again some of those old hunters perpetuate some stupid myths. But it is hard to argue with someone who has killed 800-1200 critters of all sizes and in every season. Flat points have done good on all the continents. So yeah, your pumpkin test had some pretty valid results. Thanks for sharing.
*Remember: I'm just a guy on the internet :)
*Don't go to stupid places with stupid people & do stupid things.
*Be courteous. Look normal. Be in bed by 10'clock.

“It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to.” -Bilbo Baggins.

User avatar
12_Gauge_Chimp
ZS Lifetime Member
ZS Lifetime Member
Posts: 6527
Joined: Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:21 pm
Location: Middle of nowhere, West Texas
Contact:

Re: Firearms Chat 5: #pewpewlife

Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:33 pm

JeeperCreeper's post reminds me of the first time I shot my Mosin. I lived out in the boonies at the time and decided to get a little range time in before the sun went down. I kind of miss that place now that I think of it.

I used a half a watermelon that wasn't exactly fresh and some Century branded "Hot Shot" 7.62x54r soft point ammo (that stuff was total crap, by the way.). One shot later and there's a fine mist of watermelon in the air and chunks of it all over my shooting area. :lol:

User avatar
w3rdtoyamama
* * *
Posts: 650
Joined: Thu May 21, 2009 6:30 pm
Favorite Zombie Movies: Resident Evil series.
Location: Behind Enemy Lines
Contact:

Re: Firearms Chat 5: #pewpewlife

Post by w3rdtoyamama » Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:35 am

How do you guys feel about $835 Saiga 308?
Czechnology wrote:Lots of people enjoy saying "Move" when people complain about their local/state laws, but that's a churlish, ignorant thing to say.

User avatar
woodsghost
* * * * *
Posts: 2847
Joined: Thu May 16, 2013 3:45 pm

Re: Firearms Chat 5: #pewpewlife

Post by woodsghost » Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:03 am

w3rdtoyamama wrote:How do you guys feel about $835 Saiga 308?
Price? I'd have to check gun broker.

For the rifle, a buddy has one. His has a 16 inch barrel. I don't shoot it now because I think it is too much bang. I'll only shoot a 20-21 inch barrel anymore. At this point he is starting to see things my way.

So just my feelings and opinions, but if you want one and it has the longer barrel I'd jump on it. Assuming GB says the price is right enough.
*Remember: I'm just a guy on the internet :)
*Don't go to stupid places with stupid people & do stupid things.
*Be courteous. Look normal. Be in bed by 10'clock.

“It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to.” -Bilbo Baggins.

User avatar
w3rdtoyamama
* * *
Posts: 650
Joined: Thu May 21, 2009 6:30 pm
Favorite Zombie Movies: Resident Evil series.
Location: Behind Enemy Lines
Contact:

Re: Firearms Chat 5: #pewpewlife

Post by w3rdtoyamama » Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:24 am

woodsghost wrote:
w3rdtoyamama wrote:How do you guys feel about $835 Saiga 308?
Price? I'd have to check gun broker.

For the rifle, a buddy has one. His has a 16 inch barrel. I don't shoot it now because I think it is too much bang. I'll only shoot a 20-21 inch barrel anymore. At this point he is starting to see things my way.

So just my feelings and opinions, but if you want one and it has the longer barrel I'd jump on it. Assuming GB says the price is right enough.
ya has 20" barrel. The price is after shipping and transfer fee.
Czechnology wrote:Lots of people enjoy saying "Move" when people complain about their local/state laws, but that's a churlish, ignorant thing to say.

User avatar
RickOShea
ZS Lifetime Member
ZS Lifetime Member
Posts: 8680
Joined: Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:24 pm
Location: Gulf Coast, AL

Re: Firearms Chat 5: #pewpewlife

Post by RickOShea » Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:22 am

I don't know nuffin' about .308 AKs, but I always thought that 16" Vepr .308 was a nice lookin' stick....

Image
whisk.e.rebellion wrote: It's not what you say anymore. It's how you say it.

Image ............................................................................................................................................................................................Image

User avatar
Hiroshima_Morphine
* * * * *
Posts: 1331
Joined: Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:19 pm
Favorite Zombie Movies: Gone With The Wind - wait maybe I just felt
like a zombie after watching it for the 100th time as a kid.
Location: Southern Appalachia
Contact:

Re: Firearms Chat 5: #pewpewlife

Post by Hiroshima_Morphine » Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:52 am

I've always had a neurotic twitch against Soviet designs chambered for NATO rounds.

And 7.62x39 Armalite-patterns for that matter.
Commies to the left of me, Nazis to the right
Here I am stuck in the middle... with you?

Twitter: @AnonymityGone
Website: AnonymityGone.WordPress.Com

User avatar
12_Gauge_Chimp
ZS Lifetime Member
ZS Lifetime Member
Posts: 6527
Joined: Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:21 pm
Location: Middle of nowhere, West Texas
Contact:

Re: Firearms Chat 5: #pewpewlife

Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:21 pm

I'm still kicking myself for not picking up a VEPR 7.62x39 model when I bought my Glocks a couple years ago. I had the money, but I just didn't think to buy one of the "tactical" models that were being sold at that time.

Now they're super expensive (well, for me they are) and hard to get because of the damn import ban.

User avatar
woodsghost
* * * * *
Posts: 2847
Joined: Thu May 16, 2013 3:45 pm

Re: Firearms Chat 5: #pewpewlife

Post by woodsghost » Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:34 pm

w3rdtoyamama wrote:
woodsghost wrote:
w3rdtoyamama wrote:How do you guys feel about $835 Saiga 308?
Price? I'd have to check gun broker.

For the rifle, a buddy has one. His has a 16 inch barrel. I don't shoot it now because I think it is too much bang. I'll only shoot a 20-21 inch barrel anymore. At this point he is starting to see things my way.

So just my feelings and opinions, but if you want one and it has the longer barrel I'd jump on it. Assuming GB says the price is right enough.
ya has 20" barrel. The price is after shipping and transfer fee.
It is cheaper than a FAL or M14/M1A, and I prefer the barrel over a G3. In the context of MBRs I feel you have a winner.

Mags are a bit expensive, but not exactly a high production item.

Soft points will likely not be the best choice for hunting.

I'd put some Zhukov or Galil furniture on there and giggle with glee.

I can't say if the price is good or not without checking GB, but last I paid attention (4 years ago?), the prices were closer to $1000-$1200, IIRC.

Just my thoughts.

If I had the cash I'd pm you and try to snatch it from under you. I'm very hot for one of those.
*Remember: I'm just a guy on the internet :)
*Don't go to stupid places with stupid people & do stupid things.
*Be courteous. Look normal. Be in bed by 10'clock.

“It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to.” -Bilbo Baggins.

User avatar
RickOShea
ZS Lifetime Member
ZS Lifetime Member
Posts: 8680
Joined: Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:24 pm
Location: Gulf Coast, AL

Re: Firearms Chat 5: #pewpewlife

Post by RickOShea » Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:13 pm

Looks like Caracal is making a 3rd run at it. Now made in the USA.....and hopefully, now made with less slide separation. :awesome:



whisk.e.rebellion wrote: It's not what you say anymore. It's how you say it.

Image ............................................................................................................................................................................................Image

User avatar
JeeperCreeper
ZS Member
ZS Member
Posts: 2214
Joined: Mon Aug 25, 2014 2:49 am
Favorite Zombie Movies: Twilight... making zombies of our future generations
Location: Yo Momma's House

Re: Firearms Chat 5: #pewpewlife

Post by JeeperCreeper » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:13 pm

w3rdtoyamama wrote:How do you guys feel about $835 Saiga 308?
I like it... I never shot one, but they had one on the commercial fishing vessel that my brother crewed... he said it was a hoot to shoot

I also feel like that's a good price considering it's a saiga
They see me trollin', they hatin'.... keyboardin' tryna catch me typin' dirty
Halfapint wrote:There are some exceptions like myself and jeepercreeper.... but we are the forum asshats. We protect our positions with gusto
zero11010 wrote:The girlfriend is a good shot with a 10/22.
Her secondary offense will be nagging.

User avatar
JeeperCreeper
ZS Member
ZS Member
Posts: 2214
Joined: Mon Aug 25, 2014 2:49 am
Favorite Zombie Movies: Twilight... making zombies of our future generations
Location: Yo Momma's House

Re: Firearms Chat 5: #pewpewlife

Post by JeeperCreeper » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:15 pm

RickOShea wrote:Looks like Caracal is making a 3rd run at it. Now made in the USA.....and hopefully, now made with less slide separation. :awesome:



I never understood Caracal fully....
They see me trollin', they hatin'.... keyboardin' tryna catch me typin' dirty
Halfapint wrote:There are some exceptions like myself and jeepercreeper.... but we are the forum asshats. We protect our positions with gusto
zero11010 wrote:The girlfriend is a good shot with a 10/22.
Her secondary offense will be nagging.

User avatar
12_Gauge_Chimp
ZS Lifetime Member
ZS Lifetime Member
Posts: 6527
Joined: Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:21 pm
Location: Middle of nowhere, West Texas
Contact:

Re: Firearms Chat 5: #pewpewlife

Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:43 pm

How long do y'all think it'll be before Caracal issues another major recall on their pistols ? :lol:

And what's the deal with slide separation on them ? Is that why they've been off the market for the last four or years ?

User avatar
the_alias
ZS Global Moderator
ZS Global Moderator
Posts: 5970
Joined: Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:51 pm
Location: Not Here.

Re: Firearms Chat 5: #pewpewlife

Post by the_alias » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:53 pm

Report from my last pistol match:

Glock pmag 17 rounders caused issues in my Gen 3 Glock19. 15 rounders never had an issue with.

Tap racking one out:
Image
Man is a beast of prey

User avatar
yossarian
* * * * *
Posts: 2052
Joined: Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:09 am
Favorite Zombie Movies: Army of Darkness, Night of the Living Dead, Dawn of the Dead(remake)

Re: Firearms Chat 5: #pewpewlife

Post by yossarian » Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:16 pm

RickOShea wrote:Looks like Caracal is making a 3rd run at it. Now made in the USA.....and hopefully, now made with less slide separation.

Are there any verified instances of slide separation aside from the Paskistan incident that also involved Chinese ammo?
" So, brave knights,
if you do doubt your courage or your strength, come no further,
for death awaits you all with nasty, big, pointy teeth."

User avatar
w3rdtoyamama
* * *
Posts: 650
Joined: Thu May 21, 2009 6:30 pm
Favorite Zombie Movies: Resident Evil series.
Location: Behind Enemy Lines
Contact:

Re: Firearms Chat 5: #pewpewlife

Post by w3rdtoyamama » Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:22 pm

Thanks for inoutr guys.
Veprs arent legal here due to stock. Saigas are without conversions. And other semi auto 308s are in the thousands. Only reason I considered it
Czechnology wrote:Lots of people enjoy saying "Move" when people complain about their local/state laws, but that's a churlish, ignorant thing to say.

User avatar
woodsghost
* * * * *
Posts: 2847
Joined: Thu May 16, 2013 3:45 pm

Re: Firearms Chat 5: #pewpewlife

Post by woodsghost » Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:30 pm

w3rdtoyamama wrote:Thanks for inoutr guys.
Veprs arent legal here due to stock. Saigas are without conversions. And other semi auto 308s are in the thousands. Only reason I considered it
NY?

I saw some steel 10 rounders. And steel 5 rounders. I'd get those instead of the plastic ones.
*Remember: I'm just a guy on the internet :)
*Don't go to stupid places with stupid people & do stupid things.
*Be courteous. Look normal. Be in bed by 10'clock.

“It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to.” -Bilbo Baggins.

User avatar
12_Gauge_Chimp
ZS Lifetime Member
ZS Lifetime Member
Posts: 6527
Joined: Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:21 pm
Location: Middle of nowhere, West Texas
Contact:

Re: Firearms Chat 5: #pewpewlife

Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:56 pm

woodsghost wrote:
w3rdtoyamama wrote:Thanks for inoutr guys.
Veprs arent legal here due to stock. Saigas are without conversions. And other semi auto 308s are in the thousands. Only reason I considered it
NY?

I saw some steel 10 rounders. And steel 5 rounders. I'd get those instead of the plastic ones.
I forgot the name of the company, but I saw a couple YouTube videos of some NY shooters who had modified 30 round mags (I think they were AK pattern mags and not .308 Saiga mags, though) that were permanently plugged for 10 rounds from there.

I can't for the life of me remember the company name, though. :(

I think it was either Gibbs or maybe some smaller company out of either Utah or Colorado.

User avatar
JeeperCreeper
ZS Member
ZS Member
Posts: 2214
Joined: Mon Aug 25, 2014 2:49 am
Favorite Zombie Movies: Twilight... making zombies of our future generations
Location: Yo Momma's House

Re: Firearms Chat 5: #pewpewlife

Post by JeeperCreeper » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:00 pm

the_alias wrote:Report from my last pistol match:

Glock pmag 17 rounders caused issues in my Gen 3 Glock19. 15 rounders never had an issue with.

Tap racking one out:
Image
There's thumbs forward shooting... and then there's thumbs forward shooting... Nice shooting :)

How long have you been competing??
They see me trollin', they hatin'.... keyboardin' tryna catch me typin' dirty
Halfapint wrote:There are some exceptions like myself and jeepercreeper.... but we are the forum asshats. We protect our positions with gusto
zero11010 wrote:The girlfriend is a good shot with a 10/22.
Her secondary offense will be nagging.

User avatar
91Eunozs
ZS Lifetime Member
ZS Lifetime Member
Posts: 1893
Joined: Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:16 am
Favorite Zombie Movies: All of them!
Location: Hill Country, Texas

Re: Firearms Chat 5: #pewpewlife

Post by 91Eunozs » Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:37 pm

JeeperCreeper wrote:
the_alias wrote:Report from my last pistol match:

Glock pmag 17 rounders caused issues in my Gen 3 Glock19. 15 rounders never had an issue with.

Tap racking one out:
Image
There's thumbs forward shooting... and then there's thumbs forward shooting... Nice shooting :)

How long have you been competing??
Concur... Nice shooting.

My 12-year-old daughter takes to it naturally. I honestly didn’t teach her the thumbs forward technique, just to point at the target with her eyes closed before taking the firearm in hand. She picked that up on her own.

Image

Seems to work well for her...
Image

The head shots and missed shots are from me doing mag dumps, she put every one of hers inside the 9-ring. By the time she was finished, there was almost no red left.

Real proud of how she’s developing her skills.

Looking forward to getting her to the point where she can benefit from professional instruction. I freely admit I’m no professional; just trying to just work on fundamentals and safe firearm handling with her so I don’t inadvertently teach her some bad techniques she’ll have to unlearn later in life.
Molon Latte...come & take our coffee order
Doctorr Fabulous wrote:... It's fun to play pretend, but this is the internet, and it's time to be serious.
zengunfighter wrote:... you don't want to blow a tranny in the middle of a pursuit...
woodsghost wrote:... A defensive gun without training is basically a talisman. It might ward off evil, but I wouldn't count on it.

User avatar
the_alias
ZS Global Moderator
ZS Global Moderator
Posts: 5970
Joined: Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:51 pm
Location: Not Here.

Re: Firearms Chat 5: #pewpewlife

Post by the_alias » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:07 am

JeeperCreeper wrote: There's thumbs forward shooting... and then there's thumbs forward shooting... Nice shooting :)

How long have you been competing??
:lol:

Not sure coming last at my first USPSA pistol match counts as "competing" :mrgreen:

Also I lost my cool at the end of that stage after that great start BUT learning haha.

I've shot about 5 IDPA matches - and recently met some friends who are into USPSA and my age who have been pushing me. If I'm honest feel like now things are starting to click - when I started I struggled to hit a plate rack. This match I nailed it on one stage and almost nailed it again perfectly the next.

I've bought some scaled targets for dryfire.

The cross dominance perhaps has made the curve a bit steeper, getting better shooting glasses that don't fog up and just calming myself down to not feel judged by all these long time shooters is helping me progress. I really want to take a class though.
Man is a beast of prey

Locked

Return to “General Firearms Discussion”