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Finally... A 1911 mauser-esque carbine...

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articl ... p-carbine/
The words to describe this escape me.

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Finally... A 1911 mauser-esque carbine...

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articl ... p-carbine/
The words to describe this escape me.


"Goofy looking" seems to work for me.

And when did Iver Johnson start making guns again ? I thought they went out of business years ago.

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12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
MPMalloy wrote:
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Finally... A 1911 mauser-esque carbine...

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articl ... p-carbine/
The words to describe this escape me.


"Goofy looking" seems to work for me.

And when did Iver Johnson start making guns again ? I thought they went out of business years ago.
Stupid. That's what I wanted to say.

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And when did Iver Johnson start making guns again ? I thought they went out of business years ago.

2006.

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I'm just picturing someone in shorts and a t-shirt emptying the "optional 28 round drum magazine" as fast as they can, then letting that 11" long uncovered barrel touch bare flesh.

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12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
MPMalloy wrote:
JeeperCreeper wrote:
Finally... A 1911 mauser-esque carbine...

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articl ... p-carbine/
The words to describe this escape me.


"Goofy looking" seems to work for me.

And when did Iver Johnson start making guns again ? I thought they went out of business years ago.


Just a name on imported 1911s. You may recognize their zombie and snake skin dipped 1911s... Pure class

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JeeperCreeper wrote:
12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
MPMalloy wrote:
JeeperCreeper wrote:
Finally... A 1911 mauser-esque carbine...

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articl ... p-carbine/
The words to describe this escape me.


"Goofy looking" seems to work for me.

And when did Iver Johnson start making guns again ? I thought they went out of business years ago.


Just a name on imported 1911s. You may recognize their zombie and snake skin dipped 1911s... Pure class


I actually haven't seen those, but now I'm interested in looking for them. Not that I want one, of course. I just want to see if those are as goofy looking as the carbine they're bringing to the market.

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It’s no Ciener conversion to go with my pocket 9, but this may just be the ticket for popping those pesky feral dogs in Mogadishu... I mean out at the farm.

2A Arms .22 conversion available for preorder.

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Channeling my inner Longey/Zantra aside, any thoughts from the hive mind? I’ve never owned or even used one of these kits... I assume this is a reliable setup, but again, no experience whatsoever.

I think it’d be kind of cool to throw the entire kit into a single pouch...a lot easier than carrying a second rifle when I just want to plink or pop gophers/snakes out at the ranch. I’m a big 2A arms fan too...they make good stuff and have always done right by me re: customer service and accomodating special requests/special orders.

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It’s no Ciener conversion to go with my pocket 9, but this may just be the ticket for popping those pesky feral dogs in Mogadishu... I mean out at the farm.

2A Arms .22 conversion available for preorder.

Channeling my inner Longey/Zantra aside, any thoughts from the hive mind? I’ve never owned or even used one of these kits... I assume this is a reliable setup, but again, no experience whatsoever.

I think it’d be kind of cool to throw the entire kit into a single pouch...a lot easier than carrying a second rifle when I just want to plink or pop gophers/snakes out at the ranch. I’m a big 2A arms fan too...they make good stuff and have always done right by me re: customer service and accomodating special requests/special orders.

Seems like whichever brand you look at, there will be equal numbers who swear by them....and swear at them. I have a CMMG conversion kit with BHO device. Works as advertised....Although, right around 500 rounds, the tip of the firing pin broke. I replaced it with a Taccom enhanced FP, and it's been fine since.

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[SHOT 2018] Shooting the Kel-Tec RDB Survival







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Does it come with a refreshing bottle of piss to cool off after a hard day's worth of shooting??

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Does it come with a refreshing bottle of piss to cool off after a hard day's worth of shooting??

It doesn't even have an on-board storage compartment so users can keep a couple of piss bags handy.....a glaring omission by the designers.

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Does it come with a refreshing bottle of piss to cool off after a hard day's worth of shooting??

It doesn't even have an on-board storage compartment so users can keep a couple of piss bags handy.....a glaring omission by the designers.


That issue will be dealt with when they release the Gen 2 models. :lol:

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From NPR: Ammunition Seller Charged In Connection With Las Vegas Shooting

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My cynicism senses are tingling... He sold tracers?

Are tracers illegal? No. Are tracers armor piercing? Not normally. Is armor piercing ammo illegal? Not necessarily, you can't make it. Did he manufacture the ammo? I dunno.

Seems like they need someone to point a finger at because the shooter is dead.

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My cynicism senses are tingling... He sold tracers?

Are tracers illegal? No. Are tracers armor piercing? Not normally. Is armor piercing ammo illegal? Not necessarily, you can't make it. Did he manufacture the ammo? I dunno.

Seems like they need someone to point a finger at because the shooter is dead.


Perhaps he was manufacturing and selling bullets without a license.

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My cynicism senses are tingling... He sold tracers?

Are tracers illegal? No. Are tracers armor piercing? Not normally. Is armor piercing ammo illegal? Not necessarily, you can't make it. Did he manufacture the ammo? I dunno.

Seems like they need someone to point a finger at because the shooter is dead.


Perhaps he was manufacturing and selling bullets without a license.
You need a license for boolits?

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My cynicism senses are tingling... He sold tracers?

Are tracers illegal? No. Are tracers armor piercing? Not normally. Is armor piercing ammo illegal? Not necessarily, you can't make it. Did he manufacture the ammo? I dunno.

Seems like they need someone to point a finger at because the shooter is dead.


Perhaps he was manufacturing and selling bullets without a license.
You need a license for boolits?


Maybe if I could find an article that actually covered what he was being charged with and specifically why, we'd know.... But that'd be journalism, and journalism has been dead for some time now...

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Here is that the article I read: https://nypost.com/2018/02/02/man-who-sold-ammo-to-las-vegas-shooter-charged/

The way I read it, it looks like he didn't have as much ammo on hand as dickbag wanted to buy so he put together enough tracers to fill the order.

additionally, the author(s) of the article don't know the difference between tracers and armor piercing. Yes, as far as I know you need a license to produce any kind of ammo for retail sale. Unfortunately for this guy there are few answers and the public appetite for slow cooked scape goat is quite strong right now.

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US Army’s New MHS Pistol Suffering Teething Troubles

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A new report from the Director of Operational Test and Evaluation (DOT&E) has revealed that the US Army’s new pistol, the XM17/XM18 Modular Handgun System has suffered from a number of failures during testing....

....The much publicised issue with pistols discharging when dropped saw SIG Sauer work with the Army to introduce “lightweight components in the trigger group mechanism.” However, the report suggests that this fix may of led to another issue. Testing found that triggers in two of the pistols tested suffered from ‘splintering’. PEO Soldier has since told Soldier Systems Daily that this was an isolated problem and that the pistols continued to work but that the trigger pull was adversely impacted....

Another issue identified was what the DOT&E referred to as ‘double ejections’. The report states:
"Both the XM17 and XM18 pistols experienced double-ejections where an unspent ball round was ejected along with a spent round. Due to the increased frequency of occurrence during Product Verification Test (PVT), the Army stood up a root cause analysis team to identify the cause of the double ejections in parallel with continued PVT. As of this report, this analysis is still ongoing."

....The report also notes that the XM17 and XM18 demonstrated “significantly more stoppages” with XM1152 ball ammunition than the new XM1153 Jacketed Hollow Point special purpose ammunition. So much so that the Army continued its PVT testing with just XM1153 JHP, while a root cause analysis team is examining the reason for issues with the XM1152 ball round....

....While many will no doubt cry ‘should have gone with Glock’ it’s important to remember that the US Military’s previous pistol, the Beretta M9, also suffered serious teething troubles when it was first adopted. Early M9’s suffered from a number of catastrophic slide failures, caused by metal fatigue, which led to injured personnel. The issues with the Modular Handgun System will no doubt be addressed in time and it is unlikely that the issues identified in the DOT&E report will slow the pistol’s roll out as it has already been issued to a number of active units.



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I was in a discussion about the new Army SIG on another forum and it seems the reporting on the report is highly exaggerated.

I haven't read the report so I can't really comment other than that I think it's the FDE paint's fault...

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Ok. We have a thread which got on the topic of animal defense in a bug out and maybe a PAW. We also have a thread on the Boring Flamethrower.

I got to thinking, I bet the best bear/lion/wolf defense is a flamethrower. I don't know that it would do so well against alligators and similar critters. Any thoughts?

And while I'm mostly joking, I am a bit serious. :)

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Ok. We have a thread which got on the topic of animal defense in a bug out and maybe a PAW. We also have a thread on the Boring Flamethrower.

I got to thinking, I bet the best bear/lion/wolf defense is a flamethrower. I don't know that it would do so well against alligators and similar critters. Any thoughts?

And while I'm mostly joking, I am a bit serious. :)

Sounds heavy, and like a really good way to set your AO on fire. Not sure how much "burned to death in a forest/grass fire" is from "mauled to death by a large predator".


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In my mind animal defense and hunting are 2 very different matters. A successful hunt involved a single shot and kill. A defense situation involves driving off the animal. In some cases you may have kill the animal to be successful. However, you may simply be able convince the critter to go elsewhere. That and you may need a magazine full of hits and that is by no means a successful hunting kill it is a successful defense outcome.

Where am I going with this? Simple. IMO most magazine fed centerfire rifles are at least in my opinion are adequate for a defense situation involving all but the largest mammals. They may not be ideal or adequate for hunting but can be useful self defense.

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