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Saw this at a semi local gun shop yesterday. They were asking 650.00 for it. It's a semi auto, modern made MP-40 firing 9mm with 32 round magazines (probably 32 rounds :vmad: I only held it for a minute). There are a few changes; it has a 16 in barrel not a 9.9 inch, it doesn't have a folding stock, it fires from a closed bolt. Other than that it's the same gun but not costing 20 grand. It's heavy and I can't really see it as practical but it's so cool 8-). Thoughts?
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Saw this at a semi local gun shop yesterday. They were asking 650.00 for it. It's a semi auto, modern made MP-40 firing 9mm with 32 round magazines (probably 32 rounds :vmad: I only held it for a minute). There are a few changes; it has a 16 in barrel not a 9.9 inch, it doesn't have a folding stock, it fires from a closed bolt. Other than that it's the same gun but not costing 20 grand. It's heavy and I can't really see it as practical but it's so cool 8-). Thoughts?



This one has a 10.8" barrel...and has no stock because it is a pistol...

https://www.budsgunshop.com/GERMAN+SPORT+MP40P+PISTOL

https://www.americantactical.us/5721/detail.html

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"The GSG-MP40P is a new manufactured pistol and is only a replica in appearance to the original MP-40. This pistol is not compatible with original WWII MP-40 parts or magazines."

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Saw those awhile back at Atlantic firearms
GSG MP40 PISTOL
          Overall Length 24.5"
·         Height 7"
·         Frame Construction - Zamak 5 with Polymer Accents
·         Weapon Weight W /Magazine (Unloaded) 126 oz
·         Caliber 9x19mm
·         Barrel length 10"
·         Detachable 25 round magazine - All Metal 

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-pistols/gsg-mp40-9mm-pistol-detail.html?Itemid=0

Looks like you could SBR it pretty easy by the look of that hole in the back of the frame

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flybynight wrote:
Saw those awhile back at Atlantic firearms
GSG MP40 PISTOL
          Overall Length 24.5"
·         Height 7"
·         Frame Construction - Zamak 5 with Polymer Accents
·         Weapon Weight W /Magazine (Unloaded) 126 oz
·         Caliber 9x19mm
·         Barrel length 10"
·         Detachable 25 round magazine - All Metal 

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-pistols/gsg-mp40-9mm-pistol-detail.html?Itemid=0

Looks like you could SBR it pretty easy by the look of that hole in the back of the frame

That's what I was just thinking.

Since the AK underfolder stocks are based off the MP40 design, it probably wouldn't be too hard to fit one of those onto the gun after getting it SBR'ed.

Also, what the heck is "Zamak 5" ?

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12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
flybynight wrote:
Saw those awhile back at Atlantic firearms
GSG MP40 PISTOL
          Overall Length 24.5"
·         Height 7"
·         Frame Construction - Zamak 5 with Polymer Accents
·         Weapon Weight W /Magazine (Unloaded) 126 oz
·         Caliber 9x19mm
·         Barrel length 10"
·         Detachable 25 round magazine - All Metal 

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-pistols/gsg-mp40-9mm-pistol-detail.html?Itemid=0

Looks like you could SBR it pretty easy by the look of that hole in the back of the frame

That's what I was just thinking.

Since the AK underfolder stocks are based off the MP40 design, it probably wouldn't be too hard to fit one of those onto the gun after getting it SBR'ed.

Also, what the heck is "Zamak 5" ?

holy crapola :shock:

Zamak (formerly trademarked as ZAMAK[1] and also known as Zamac) is a family of alloys with a base metal of zinc and alloying elements of aluminium, magnesium, and copper.
Zamak alloys are part of the zinc aluminium alloy family; they are distinguished from the other ZA alloys because of their constant 5% aluminium composition.[2]
The name zamak is an acronym of the German names for the metals of which the alloys are composed: Zink (zinc), Aluminium, Magnesium and Kupfer (copper).[2] The New Jersey Zinc Company developed zamak alloys in 1929. Zinc alloys are popularly referred to as pot metal or white metal. While zamak is held to higher industrial standards, it is still considered a pot metal

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flybynight wrote:
12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
flybynight wrote:
Saw those awhile back at Atlantic firearms
GSG MP40 PISTOL
          Overall Length 24.5"
·         Height 7"
·         Frame Construction - Zamak 5 with Polymer Accents
·         Weapon Weight W /Magazine (Unloaded) 126 oz
·         Caliber 9x19mm
·         Barrel length 10"
·         Detachable 25 round magazine - All Metal 

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-pistols/gsg-mp40-9mm-pistol-detail.html?Itemid=0

Looks like you could SBR it pretty easy by the look of that hole in the back of the frame

That's what I was just thinking.

Since the AK underfolder stocks are based off the MP40 design, it probably wouldn't be too hard to fit one of those onto the gun after getting it SBR'ed.

Also, what the heck is "Zamak 5" ?

holy crapola :shock:

Zamak (formerly trademarked as ZAMAK[1] and also known as Zamac) is a family of alloys with a base metal of zinc and alloying elements of aluminium, magnesium, and copper.
Zamak alloys are part of the zinc aluminium alloy family; they are distinguished from the other ZA alloys because of their constant 5% aluminium composition.[2]
The name zamak is an acronym of the German names for the metals of which the alloys are composed: Zink (zinc), Aluminium, Magnesium and Kupfer (copper).[2] The New Jersey Zinc Company developed zamak alloys in 1929. Zinc alloys are popularly referred to as pot metal or white metal. While zamak is held to higher industrial standards, it is still considered a pot metal


Well, crap. :shock:

I wonder why they didn't just make it out of steel stampings like the originals. I'm guessing it had to do with cost.

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12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
flybynight wrote:
12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
flybynight wrote:
Saw those awhile back at Atlantic firearms
GSG MP40 PISTOL
          Overall Length 24.5"
·         Height 7"
·         Frame Construction - Zamak 5 with Polymer Accents
·         Weapon Weight W /Magazine (Unloaded) 126 oz
·         Caliber 9x19mm
·         Barrel length 10"
·         Detachable 25 round magazine - All Metal 

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-pistols/gsg-mp40-9mm-pistol-detail.html?Itemid=0

Looks like you could SBR it pretty easy by the look of that hole in the back of the frame

That's what I was just thinking.

Since the AK underfolder stocks are based off the MP40 design, it probably wouldn't be too hard to fit one of those onto the gun after getting it SBR'ed.

Also, what the heck is "Zamak 5" ?

holy crapola :shock:

Zamak (formerly trademarked as ZAMAK[1] and also known as Zamac) is a family of alloys with a base metal of zinc and alloying elements of aluminium, magnesium, and copper.
Zamak alloys are part of the zinc aluminium alloy family; they are distinguished from the other ZA alloys because of their constant 5% aluminium composition.[2]
The name zamak is an acronym of the German names for the metals of which the alloys are composed: Zink (zinc), Aluminium, Magnesium and Kupfer (copper).[2] The New Jersey Zinc Company developed zamak alloys in 1929. Zinc alloys are popularly referred to as pot metal or white metal. While zamak is held to higher industrial standards, it is still considered a pot metal


Well, crap. :shock:

I wonder why they didn't just make it out of steel stampings like the originals. I'm guessing it had to do with cost.

Yea, think I would pass on this one.

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I'd go with a HiPoint Carbine. Cheaper, warranted, more reliable, accurate etc.... and yet just as useless.

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I wonder why they didn't just make it out of steel stampings like the originals. I'm guessing it had to do with cost.

Well, it's GSG....I believe the majority of their pistols are zinc alloy/pot metal.

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12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
I wonder why they didn't just make it out of steel stampings like the originals. I'm guessing it had to do with cost.

Well, it's GSG....I believe the majority of their pistols are zinc alloy/pot metal.


That's probably true.

Isn't the 1911 style .22lr pistol they make made from an aluminum alloy or is that one zinc/pot metal as well ?

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12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
RickOShea wrote:
12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
I wonder why they didn't just make it out of steel stampings like the originals. I'm guessing it had to do with cost.

Well, it's GSG....I believe the majority of their pistols are zinc alloy/pot metal.


That's probably true.

Isn't the 1911 style .22lr pistol they make made from an aluminum alloy or is that one zinc/pot metal as well ?

https://www.americantactical.us/76/detail.html

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I'd go with a HiPoint Carbine. Cheaper, warranted, more reliable, accurate etc.... and yet just as useless.



And also made from the same material as Matchbox cars :mrgreen: .

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If I was going to buy a cool looking but expensive range toy, better to buy the GSG STG-44 .22 rimfire...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o52nNKpL50

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I wonder why they didn't just make it out of steel stampings like the originals. I'm guessing it had to do with cost.

Well, it's GSG....I believe the majority of their pistols are zinc alloy/pot metal.


That's probably true.

Isn't the 1911 style .22lr pistol they make made from an aluminum alloy or is that one zinc/pot metal as well ?


Yes.

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I'd go with a HiPoint Carbine. Cheaper, warranted, more reliable, accurate etc.... and yet just as useless.



And also made from the same material as Matchbox cars :mrgreen: .



So it hurts like hell when you step on it in bare feet?

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It's fun for a range toy, but if it has a 16" barrel, why not have the folding stock on it?

Personally, I like something I can at least mount a red dot onto. WW2 was a long time ago, technology has progressed.


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I'd go with a HiPoint Carbine. Cheaper, warranted, more reliable, accurate etc.... and yet just as useless.



And also made from the same material as Matchbox cars :mrgreen: .



So it hurts like hell when you step on it in bare feet?


Only thing more dangerous is a Lego gun.

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I'd go with a HiPoint Carbine. Cheaper, warranted, more reliable, accurate etc.... and yet just as useless.



And also made from the same material as Matchbox cars :mrgreen: .



So it hurts like hell when you step on it in bare feet?


Only thing more dangerous is a Lego gun.

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The guys who say "Get a High Point" or whatever don't understand the appeal of this gun. It's a plinker designed to look like a MP 40 for those of us who can't afford the real deal SMG. And yes, the manufacturer plans to release a folding stock for those who do the ATF paperwork for a SBR.

I was really interested in this until I got to fire one at the SHOT Show range day and it fired out of battery on me. No real damage but it really stung the heck out of my hand. After that my enthusiasm dropped quite a bit.

Still, i may try to get one to review and see if it works better when it hasn't been fired by who knows how many people during a long range day.

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Made out of pot metal. Shoots out of battery. What's not to love on this.

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The guys who say "Get a High Point" or whatever don't understand the appeal of this gun. It's a plinker designed to look like a MP 40 for those of us who can't afford the real deal SMG. And yes, the manufacturer plans to release a folding stock for those who do the ATF paperwork for a SBR.


I have a number of plinkers that are knockoff's. I get them in .22lr so they are enjoyable to shoot, don't recoil, cheap to shoot and won't go boom on me and the wrong moment... maybe taking out an eye. They also cost about half what that thing does.

So if you like, change what I said to "get a GSG". It will be safer, cheaper, last longer, more accurate and be about as useful. It even comes in a wood crate and with a folding wire stock. If you want to actually suppress it that will be cheaper and easier too.

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The guys who say "Get a High Point" or whatever don't understand the appeal of this gun. It's a plinker designed to look like a MP 40 for those of us who can't afford the real deal SMG. And yes, the manufacturer plans to release a folding stock for those who do the ATF paperwork for a SBR.


I have a number of plinkers that are knockoff's. I get them in .22lr so they are enjoyable to shoot, don't recoil, cheap to shoot and won't go boom on me and the wrong moment... maybe taking out an eye. They also cost about half what that thing does.

So if you like, change what I said to "get a GSG". It will be safer, cheaper, last longer, more accurate and be about as useful. It even comes in a wood crate and with a folding wire stock. If you want to actually suppress it that will be cheaper and easier too.


Oh yeah, get a GSG is a legit option. No argument there.

If I hadn't had that out of battery discharge I'd still be hyped up to get one. It looks right, it feels right, and it could be fun, especially if SBR'd. As is, unless I get a demo one to test, I won't be picking one up

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