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Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:02 pm

Hiroshima_Morphine wrote:I'm a little disappointed-

I was hoping for a bright orange one with a longer barrel like I had as a kid.

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I had the red Zapper pistol when I had an NES as a kid. :D Never had the orange or gray one, but my NES was one of the later ones, so that's probably why I had the bright red one.

As for a more faithful pistol, I think you'd have to either make a custom frame or slide to really get close to the look of it.

That or drop 4 grand on one of those Sig P210 target pistols and piss off the purists by Cerakoting it bright orange since that's probably the closest looking pistol out there right now.

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Post by Langenator » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:11 pm

Whippersnapper. The original NES gun was grey and red, just like the one in the video.
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Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:57 pm

Langenator wrote:Whippersnapper. The original NES gun was grey and red, just like the one in the video.
The original NES came out two months after I was born in 1985 (I was born in August and the NES came out in October the same year).

And I know they originally had that grey and red gun, but they switched the colors after someone at Nintendo had concerns about kids safety with the grey one. So that's how we ended up with a bright orange Zapper instead of the grey one. The Japanese got one that looked like a revolver and we ended up with something out of Star Wars.

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Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:37 am

flybynight wrote:Image
Now I really want to get one of those and have a custom shop turn it into a Nintendo Zapper. :clap:

I'm off to scour the sales boards and pawn shops for a good one as well as to find someone to make my new dream happen.

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Post by MacWa77ace » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:42 am

Hiroshima_Morphine wrote:I'm a little disappointed-

I was hoping for a bright orange one with a longer barrel like I had as a kid.

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BBC's Outcasts series had orange Glocks.

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12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
flybynight wrote:Image
Now I really want to get one of those and have a custom shop turn it into a Nintendo Zapper. :clap:

I'm off to scour the sales boards and pawn shops for a good one as well as to find someone to make my new dream happen.
I remember a .22 that had a short wooden forearm with about a ten inch barrel . I just can't remember what company made it. I thought it was Browning but when I looked I didn't see a pistol , just the carbine. The High standard has the general frame profile, but then again so does the colt woodsman and AMT lightning
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Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:43 pm

I think a Browning Buckmark would probably be easier to work on and less expensive than a Colt or High Standard.

That and the Buckmark is still being made, so they're not that valuable to collectors just yet.

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Post by Hiroshima_Morphine » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:25 am

In Texarkana and bored in the back seat of a Ram.

I like the buck mark option.
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Post by Doctorr Fabulous » Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:09 am

flybynight wrote:
12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
flybynight wrote:Image
Now I really want to get one of those and have a custom shop turn it into a Nintendo Zapper. :clap:

I'm off to scour the sales boards and pawn shops for a good one as well as to find someone to make my new dream happen.
I remember a .22 that had a short wooden forearm with about a ten inch barrel . I just can't remember what company made it. I thought it was Browning but when I looked I didn't see a pistol , just the carbine. The High standard has the general frame profile, but then again so does the colt woodsman and AMT lightning
Browning Buckmark Silhouette is what you're thinking of.
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Post by Hiroshima_Morphine » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:42 pm

Doc!

Got a question for you-

How hard would it be to modify a (.308 Win. / 7.62 NATO) Remington 750 and 783 to accept one of the following types of magazines:

CETME / HK G3/41
AR-10
M14

Thanks!
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Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:34 pm

Hiroshima_Morphine wrote:In Texarkana and bored in the back seat of a Ram.

I like the buck mark option.
I like the Buck Mark option too since it's the cheapest one and I won't be potentially ruining a valuable gun if I turn it into a Nintendo Zapper.

In other news, I finally got my Meprolight night sights installed on my Glock 21. It only took the gunsmith maybe 20 minutes to install and adjust the sights and I'm only out 25 bucks for the work.

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Post by the_alias » Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:38 pm

MacWa77ace wrote:
Hiroshima_Morphine wrote:I'm a little disappointed-

I was hoping for a bright orange one with a longer barrel like I had as a kid.

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BBC's Outcasts series had orange Glocks.

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I bet this was due to some health and safety regulation.

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Post by Doctorr Fabulous » Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:13 am

Hiroshima_Morphine wrote:Doc!

Got a question for you-

How hard would it be to modify a (.308 Win. / 7.62 NATO) Remington 750 and 783 to accept one of the following types of magazines:

CETME / HK G3/41
AR-10
M14

Thanks!
Assuming you aren't a machinist capable and experienced in turning out chassis systems, it will be impossible for you. The cost of custom work will be such that you'll be better off selling the 783 and buying a 700 and attaching a Magpul chassis system to use AICS mags, or buying a Mossberg MVP and using AR-10 mags. If you're not happy with just buying more of the ten round magazines for the 750, an AR build would be best, but if you want something a little classier a Garand might be the way to go. Means adding a caliber or looking for a converted model with the Schuster plug though.

http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/rifle_sales/m1-garand/

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/pro ... s_id/97195

https://www.tombstonetactical.com/catal ... 00-sa-blk/


The main obstacle here is that neither rifle has a mag well that would be useable with those mags. The HK system is rock-and-lock, which means fabricating a new magazine well with locking points for the lugs. AR mags require a magazine well that sits well below the action like an AR to lock the magazine latch, and the M14 magazine is about the closest but still requires fabricating an entirely new magazine well. Then you have to modify the feed ramps, replace the bolt, the action springs and recoil system for the semi-auto, almost certainly need to heat treat the frame again at that point, and it still might not work right. I've heard rumors of the older models being "converted" to use surplus magazines but have never seen evidence of such barbarism, and suspect that such a conversion actually involves mating the upper end of a factory magazine to a new set of springs and a cheap surplus magazine, by way of some creative welding.
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Doctorr Fabulous wrote:
Hiroshima_Morphine wrote:Doc!

Got a question for you-

How hard would it be to modify a (.308 Win. / 7.62 NATO) Remington 750 and 783 to accept one of the following types of magazines:

CETME / HK G3/41
AR-10
M14

Thanks!
Assuming you aren't a machinist capable and experienced in turning out chassis systems, it will be impossible for you. The cost of custom work will be such that you'll be better off selling the 783 and buying a 700 and attaching a Magpul chassis system to use AICS mags, or buying a Mossberg MVP and using AR-10 mags. If you're not happy with just buying more of the ten round magazines for the 750, an AR build would be best, but if you want something a little classier a Garand might be the way to go. Means adding a caliber or looking for a converted model with the Schuster plug though.

http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/rifle_sales/m1-garand/

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/pro ... s_id/97195

https://www.tombstonetactical.com/catal ... 00-sa-blk/


The main obstacle here is that neither rifle has a mag well that would be useable with those mags. The HK system is rock-and-lock, which means fabricating a new magazine well with locking points for the lugs. AR mags require a magazine well that sits well below the action like an AR to lock the magazine latch, and the M14 magazine is about the closest but still requires fabricating an entirely new magazine well. Then you have to modify the feed ramps, replace the bolt, the action springs and recoil system for the semi-auto, almost certainly need to heat treat the frame again at that point, and it still might not work right. I've heard rumors of the older models being "converted" to use surplus magazines but have never seen evidence of such barbarism, and suspect that such a conversion actually involves mating the upper end of a factory magazine to a new set of springs and a cheap surplus magazine, by way of some creative welding.
:cry: ok, thanks for the reply.

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Good news: I haven't bought anything yet.

Bad news: Mossberg MVP and an AR-10 cost more, and I would prefer a classic style on the semi. But I would spend more on trying to customize the Remingtons.
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Post by brothaman » Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:26 am

MDT is making modular chassis for the 783. Its a bit of an investment,.. but I think it takes AICS mags. Magpul is making mags in that format now.
Personally,.. You can pick up a savage on sale for about the same price as the 783 and have a lot more aftermarket options.
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Post by Doctorr Fabulous » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:02 pm

Hiroshima_Morphine wrote:
Doctorr Fabulous wrote:
Hiroshima_Morphine wrote:Doc!

Got a question for you-

How hard would it be to modify a (.308 Win. / 7.62 NATO) Remington 750 and 783 to accept one of the following types of magazines:

CETME / HK G3/41
AR-10
M14

Thanks!
Assuming you aren't a machinist capable and experienced in turning out chassis systems, it will be impossible for you. The cost of custom work will be such that you'll be better off selling the 783 and buying a 700 and attaching a Magpul chassis system to use AICS mags, or buying a Mossberg MVP and using AR-10 mags. If you're not happy with just buying more of the ten round magazines for the 750, an AR build would be best, but if you want something a little classier a Garand might be the way to go. Means adding a caliber or looking for a converted model with the Schuster plug though.

http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/rifle_sales/m1-garand/

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/pro ... s_id/97195

https://www.tombstonetactical.com/catal ... 00-sa-blk/


The main obstacle here is that neither rifle has a mag well that would be useable with those mags. The HK system is rock-and-lock, which means fabricating a new magazine well with locking points for the lugs. AR mags require a magazine well that sits well below the action like an AR to lock the magazine latch, and the M14 magazine is about the closest but still requires fabricating an entirely new magazine well. Then you have to modify the feed ramps, replace the bolt, the action springs and recoil system for the semi-auto, almost certainly need to heat treat the frame again at that point, and it still might not work right. I've heard rumors of the older models being "converted" to use surplus magazines but have never seen evidence of such barbarism, and suspect that such a conversion actually involves mating the upper end of a factory magazine to a new set of springs and a cheap surplus magazine, by way of some creative welding.
:cry: ok, thanks for the reply.

Edit:

Good news: I haven't bought anything yet.

Bad news: Mossberg MVP and an AR-10 cost more, and I would prefer a classic style on the semi. But I would spend more on trying to customize the Remingtons.
The 783 is not a great rifle. Neither is the 700, frankly, but it's better. So is the Ruger American, Savage model 10, etc.

The 750 is an odd duck. I would suggest reconsidering what you want the rifles to accomplish.
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Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:17 pm

Just out of curiosity, what are the problems with the 783 that make it not a great rifle ?

Is it as bad or worse than the 770 ?

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Hiroshima_Morphine wrote: Good news: I haven't bought anything yet.

Bad news: Mossberg MVP and an AR-10 cost more, and I would prefer a classic style on the semi. But I would spend more on trying to customize the Remingtons.
The 783 is not a great rifle. Neither is the 700, frankly, but it's better. So is the Ruger American, Savage model 10, etc.

The 750 is an odd duck. I would suggest reconsidering what you want the rifles to accomplish.
What do I hope to accomplish:

Bolt- hunting rifle with an increased mag capacity.

Semi- tactical gun that will use same mags as the bolt, that can be used when the Iranian/North Korean/Zombie Alliance invades.

I do prefer the classic look and I see the MVP also takes M14/M1A mags. So it looks like that is the direction I will go in. Mossberg MVP and Springfield M1A, it's more expensive than the Remingtons but will be better guns and prevent me from a Dr. Frankenstein custom special.

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Post by Doctorr Fabulous » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:14 pm

12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:Just out of curiosity, what are the problems with the 783 that make it not a great rifle ?

Is it as bad or worse than the 770 ?
It's supposed to slot in between the 770, which is utter shit, and the 700, which is adequate at best. It's a 700 but with cost-saving measures, so while not Taurus-bad it's still Remington-bad.
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Doctorr Fabulous wrote:
12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:Just out of curiosity, what are the problems with the 783 that make it not a great rifle ?

Is it as bad or worse than the 770 ?
It's supposed to slot in between the 770, which is utter shit, and the 700, which is adequate at best. It's a 700 but with cost-saving measures, so while not Taurus-bad it's still Remington-bad.

How so ?

I know the 770 has issues with the barrels and bolts breaking, but I'm unaware of what the 783 has problems with. I see a lot of guys in my AO trying to sell off their 770s ( often for way more than the gun is worth or what the MSRP is), but I haven't seen too many 783s for sale.

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Post by Doctorr Fabulous » Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:30 pm

12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
Doctorr Fabulous wrote:
12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:Just out of curiosity, what are the problems with the 783 that make it not a great rifle ?

Is it as bad or worse than the 770 ?
It's supposed to slot in between the 770, which is utter shit, and the 700, which is adequate at best. It's a 700 but with cost-saving measures, so while not Taurus-bad it's still Remington-bad.

How so ?

I know the 770 has issues with the barrels and bolts breaking, but I'm unaware of what the 783 has problems with. I see a lot of guys in my AO trying to sell off their 770s ( often for way more than the gun is worth or what the MSRP is), but I haven't seen too many 783s for sale.
It's not a Mosin-level garbage rod, but it's still a cheaper version of the 700, but still not cheap enough to beat out a Savage action. Also, it's still coming from Rustington, which might be getting better but the 770s don't inspire a lot of confidence.

Remington has been poison, and there's other options that are as good or better designed and produced with better QC.
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Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:53 pm

Thanks for the info, Doc.

I actually looked at getting a 783 awhile back (local guy had one minus the magazine for about 200 bucks), but ultimately passed on it because I had no idea if they were decent rifles or not.

If I do get another bolt action rifle, I'll probably go with either Savage or Ruger. A lot of their entry level guns are close to the same price as the 783, cheaper in some places.

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Hiroshima_Morphine wrote:Random Thought \ question for today:

Read earlier today on TheFiringLine.com (not a member, just a lurker) that Stoeger 'makes' a Beretta 92 clone~ which since they are a subsidiary of Beretta, is it really a clone or is it factory over runs and second grades?

Anyway- has anyone ever heard of a Stoeger 92? All I see on their website is their 'clone' of the Beretta Cougars.
Only Beretta 92 clones I've heard of are the Taurus 92 and whatever the Chiappa one is called.
Chiappa M9~ how that is not a trademark infringement is beyond me.

The Taurus and Chiappa are both $400ish USD.

I'm looking for a cheaper M9 like pistol. I like the look, feel and function of my 92fs, but I don't want to pay $550 for an extra backup gun.

I keep coming back to a surplus Beretta 92S. Price is $300, and I could buy Beretta made mags that will fit it and my FS (even though the mag catch\release is in a different spot on the S and FS, and only factory mags will work for both). That can not be said for the Taurus and the Chiappa.

But- if Stoeger 'makes' one, it makes sense that it would also take Beretta mags.

I'll probably get a surplus 92S, but wanted to see if anyone had heard of this Stoeger 92. I think someone was confused over on that other forum.
In case anybody else wants to know:

Chiappa M9 accepts Beretta 92FS/M9 mags with no modifications- looks like all parts are interchangeable right now. Surplus 92S is still cheaper - Chiappa had mixed reviews, but most of the negative reviews seem to be from purist gun snobs. For that matter, the surplus 92S also has mixed reviews with negatives from the same group.
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