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Would you buy it?

Yes in 5.56mm
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Yes in 6.8mm
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3%
Yes in 7.62mm
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No I would not buy it ever
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I would buy them all/conversion unit
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Would you buy this rifle?

Post by vegasguy » Sun Jan 04, 2015 4:45 am

Would you buy this rifle?

Would you buy it in 7.62mm if it took G3 mags?

Would you buy it in 5.56mm if it took AR15 mags?
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Post by Djein » Sun Jan 04, 2015 5:17 am

Sniper modification looks great! :clap:

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Post by The_bangfrog_MK23 » Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:49 am

On my first read-trough, I read that it replaced the M41A in 2013... talk about movie-nerdy wishful thinking :mrgreen:

But actually, I could see this construction with a short-stroke system as a potentially viable system.
I could imagine myself buying a 5.56 and a 7.62 version to further add to my collection.
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Post by emclean » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:20 am

sure i would buy it (depending on price point), but then again i like odd guns.

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Re: Would you buy this rifle?

Post by ineffableone » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:57 am

While I think it looks kinda cool, and the concept seems interesting, it also seems a bit over complicated. With extra stuff added to the gun works more to maintain and worry about possibly failing.
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Post by spanningtree » Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:17 pm

Heh, pretty interesting concept. The guy that came up with this has all sorts of interesting future concept drawings, thanks for posting it. I'd buy it in the event it became available regardless of the mags. Considering the rarity of the HK416 and G36 (not converted SL8s) in the civilian US market I'd say scoop'em up when you can. I'd grab the cqb variant if possible.

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Post by Stercutus » Sun Jan 04, 2015 5:08 pm

Doubtful unless it is really affordable. I am pretty well committed to the AR 10/15 platforms for battle rifles. I can do a lot more with them for fine tuning and changing calibers for different applications. Parts and a huge support system are in place. Relying on H&K for proprietary parts and service would be foolish IMO.
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Post by eeb » Sun Jan 04, 2015 9:40 pm

If the price were right (it won't be), it'd be nice in 308. How about a conversion kit for 32ACP?(More cheaper, and just plain fun ;-))
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Post by azrael99 » Sun Jan 04, 2015 9:44 pm

would be interesting to see a 12ga variant :awesome:

but 7.62 would be interesting
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Post by minengr » Mon Jan 05, 2015 12:46 am

I'd pass on probable cost alone.
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Post by 00dlez » Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:17 am

Totally depends on price... but as others have mentioned

1) probably stupid expensive
2) seems a lot more complicated for... what benefit? without any info about the schmancy recoil system its hard to evaluate if it's good/bad/no different
3) would the added complications make it more difficult/expensive to maintain over existing tech?
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Re: Would you buy this rifle?

Post by Mikeyboy » Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:49 am

ditto on depends

6.8spc is an oddball caliber that is not super easy to find and baring the military truly adopting it, it has been slowly dying. Don't get me wrong, performance wise I rather have 6.8 over 5.56 and .308..but I could find .308 easier, and 5.56 would be easy to find cheaper.

H&K = silly expensive. If the rifle was priced the same as an average AR price I would consider it, but I have no doubt it will cost triple.

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Post by Hudsonhawk777 » Mon Jan 05, 2015 11:43 am

If I was looking at this I'd also have to look at the Tavor from IMI


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Post by mr_slappy75 » Mon Jan 05, 2015 11:55 am

So while we are at it, can we get it with the GPS-RT target designating scope and gyroscopic stabilizers? Uh uh! Don't forget the inertial dampener! Can't run-and-gun the CQC rig properly without one of those.

Yeah, yeah, I did just go and take a swipe at the "suspension of disbelief bubble" right there. Sorry I couldn't help myself.

It is awesome art, but the thing about art, even photo-realistic art is that the constraints and limitations of various laws - physics, diminishing returns...reality - do not apply to it.

I am not an engineer, just a tinkerer. My understanding of complex mechanisms or devises is more at an instinctual end user level rather than that of a design engineer...I've been known to switch out a gear ratio on a MTB drive-train because it 'didn't feel right' or swap out memory modules on a MOBO based on brand A vs. brand B stability/performance for a particular build.
You all probably know someone who tunes their motorcycle or 'pre-digital' muscle car / truck that way or adjust trigger pull or stock length in the same fashion.

I take a glance at this and think 'ooooh me want!'

Then I really look at it (it takes some effort getting past the "HK" logo with its implied bulk of interwebs love/hate from folks who like myself have never handled any of their long guns -a friend let me run two mags on his USP...I think it was a compact back in 2000? It wasn't my thing and apparently, my friend's neither: about a year later he sold it and got a S&W 99; but I digress- I really look at the thing...then the few inconsistencies from version to version start annoying me.
Remember the XM8? Remember how there was a poster going around showing how versatile the platform was and all the different configurations that gawdawful thing could be setup in to fill any and every role the modern military could want out of a small weapon?
XM8 was ugly and every single configuration had at its core the same goofy Fisher Price looking receiver upper/lower, so at least there was an AR-15 / M-16 family type of modularity to the thing (probably because it was REAL).

This concept sports 3 different mag well versions, now this wouldn't be a big deal if it wasn't for the fact that the vaunted Kriss recoil dampening mechanism is closely tied to that part of the system...does that mean that even though they are all supposedly configured for the same round, the recoil mechanism is markedly different from version to version? I would think that after a while messing around that much with each individual plausible configuration any perceived cost savings to the deploying military would be nill. Then there are all the trigger group changes and, and, Argh!! :evil:

Damn it! this was easier when I was a teen and still believed that by now we would all have self-lacing Nikes and flying DeLoreans :P

TL;DR: No. Would not buy pretty fantasy made up pretend rifle...even if it wasn't not will be made by HK

Oh and HH77, at least the Tavor is a real weapon system, with a decent (and growing) amount of R&D and deployment time under its belt. So not only can you 'look' at it but you can actually hold one, cradle it in your arms and call it "my precious" the best you can hope for with the HK56 is a life sized full color printout or if you happen to have a friend with a 3D printer and a lot of spare media, a life sized non-functioning prop...just saying
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Post by Stercutus » Mon Jan 05, 2015 12:14 pm

Mikeyboy wrote:
6.8spc is an oddball caliber that is not super easy to find and baring the military truly adopting it, it has been slowly dying. Don't get me wrong, performance wise I rather have 6.8 over 5.56 and .308..but I could find .308 easier, and 5.56 would be easy to find cheaper.
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Re: Would you buy this rifle?

Post by Mikeyboy » Mon Jan 05, 2015 2:48 pm

Stercutus wrote:
Mikeyboy wrote:
6.8spc is an oddball caliber that is not super easy to find and baring the military truly adopting it, it has been slowly dying. Don't get me wrong, performance wise I rather have 6.8 over 5.56 and .308..but I could find .308 easier, and 5.56 would be easy to find cheaper.
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The dozen or so Walmarts in my area don't carry 6.8 and if they do they they must be more rare of a find than .22lr. Walmart here has no problem stocking .223, 7.62x39, .243, .270, 7mm and 30/30. .308 is a bit hairy, but still easier than 6.8. Heck, all they had in my local Cabelas was a few boxes of Remington and Hornady, in 6.8. That is about on par with their selection of .303 British. There was more of a selection of .327 and .44mag than that round.

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Post by Stercutus » Mon Jan 05, 2015 3:13 pm

Mikeyboy wrote:
Stercutus wrote:
Mikeyboy wrote:
6.8spc is an oddball caliber that is not super easy to find and baring the military truly adopting it, it has been slowly dying. Don't get me wrong, performance wise I rather have 6.8 over 5.56 and .308..but I could find .308 easier, and 5.56 would be easy to find cheaper.
Y'all don't have Walmart?
The dozen or so Walmarts in my area don't carry 6.8 and if they do they they must be more rare of a find than .22lr. Walmart here has no problem stocking .223, 7.62x39, .243, .270, 7mm and 30/30. .308 is a bit hairy, but still easier than 6.8. Heck, all they had in my local Cabelas was a few boxes of Remington and Hornady, in 6.8. That is about on par with their selection of .303 British. There was more of a selection of .327 and .44mag than that round.
IDK. They have it all over the place here. It still costs twice as much as 5.56 without twice the performance.
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Post by MacWa77ace » Mon Jan 05, 2015 4:44 pm

The recoil reducing mechanism looks to go against Newton's Third Law of Motion. It directs recoil down, so won't that make the muzzle or receiver go up?

In 2015 dollars that would probably cost ~$8,000 in 2023. Being an HK and all it won't meet the current import rules so here in the US we'd be able to buy the SL56* version for twice that price in semi auto only. The bullets would cost next to nuthin', though, if you invest in a Mr. Bullet. Available summer 2021 at your local Walmart or any other fine, world dominating CorporNation.

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Post by pyzik » Tue Jan 06, 2015 4:38 pm

Recoil is mitigated just fine by muzzle devices. No need to add all that weight and complication to a "battle" rifle.

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Post by Stercutus » Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:06 pm

pyzik wrote:Recoil is mitigated just fine by muzzle devices. No need to add all that weight and complication to a "battle" rifle.

Cool photoshop though.
Depends upon your definition of "fine". I guess so long as you don't have someone shooting next to you.
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Post by Sworbeyegib » Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:58 pm

They would definitely look good on film. People already love using the Kriss on camera enough.

Would I buy one? Doubt it. Maybe if I were made of money, just to stand out of the crowd and say "look what I have!". I feel like the recoil dampening mechanism is fairly lost on semiautomatic fire, so it's more of a talking point than actual function.
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Post by manowar1313 » Tue Jan 06, 2015 11:28 pm

I would seriously have to shoot one before I'd be interested. It looks pretty cool but I question the effectiveness vs cost.
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Post by Mad Mike » Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:36 pm

It's way too ugly & there is too much crap hanging off it! :clap:

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Re: Would you buy this rifle?

Post by Manimal2878 » Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:58 am

It says it's a blowback action, which the kriss is, but it clearly still has the piston operating rod from the 416.

Seems like a photoshop mashup that doesn't actually take into account how the guns work.

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