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Since these things are self contained, would they be a good prep?

Could be a small trailer to a motorhome. Or even a Class B as a daily driver? Would have the basics. Tow small cargo trailer if necessary.

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It kind of depends upon your strategy and what you are prepping for. People live in RV's so having a house on wheels can be handy if you have a place to take it and the fuel to get it there. Also if your primary dwelling is destroyed for some reason and your RV is not you have temporary back up lodging.

I believe a towed camper is a better strategy in general than a motorhome. The maintenance and fuel costs are exponentially lower and so long as you have a generator you don't give up that much. You may need a large truck to tow it but a large truck tends to be very reliable and much easier to work on then a full sized motorhome.

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It kind of depends upon your strategy and what you are prepping for. People live in RV's so having a house on wheels can be handy if you have a place to take it and the fuel to get it there. Also if your primary dwelling is destroyed for some reason and your RV is not you have temporary back up lodging.

I believe a towed camper is a better strategy in general than a motorhome. The maintenance and fuel costs are exponentially lower and so long as you have a generator you don't give up that much. You may need a large truck to tow it but a large truck tends to be very reliable and much easier to work on then a full sized motorhome.


Tell that to the walking dead crew. Given the choice between almost anything else .Rusty , barely running motorhome wins out every time.

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Hopefully not derailing the thread, but to the RV owners, what is the fuel economy / range like for an RV? Would you carry extra fuel inside the RV as a reserve? What is it like (fuel-wise) if just idling in traffic?

A scenario that I get concerned about is if there is an evacuation order and you have no choice but to be stuck in some sort of traffic. Obviously if you know an issue is looming, get off the X before you get stuck in a crowd, but I'm looking at stuff like the wildfires that forced people to evacuate at the same time, such as the Fort McMurray one, or people who live near the 10 mile planning zone of a nuclear power plant and everybody gets the order to evacuate at the same time. With an RV, you are limited to the paved roads. If I was in a SUV, some offroad / dirt roads are still an option. If I was in a hybrid car, I can endure (the Thanksgiving drive from SF to LA is no joke!). What about an RV? Being stuck in traffic is a real possibility. Would storing extra gas inside the cabin be an option? How much gas? For distance, a 5 gallon container of gas can give my hybrid another 200 miles, but my SUV only another 80. A quick look online shows only 6-7MPG, which is up to an extra 35 miles. Idling in traffic kills that, I'm sure.


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If it is a diesel idling in traffic is not a huge deal. Most motorhomes have a range in the 300-500 Mile range some even more. Filling the gas tank might require some defib.

For a trailered RV low speeds are a blessing. High speeds will run the fuel right out if the trailer is above the height of the vehicle due to drag.

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There are pluses and minuses.

If you live in a city there might be laws against storing one at your house so you have to pay for and have one located at a storage place.
Also depending on local laws you may have extra taxes, registration, etc.
Extra maintenance, an engine and drivetrain that sits for long periods of time tends to suffer (rust, rotten gaskets and seals, dead batteries).
Some have roofs and need maintenance, others are built out of termite barf.


Pluses are they can be more comfortable and quicker to load and setup than a tent, you can keep them stocked, etc.

The best compromise I found was a small popup truck camper. I could load it on the back of the truck in a few minutes and be ready to go. I could also still fit in a single parking space or narrow roads and it didn't significantly lower the economy.

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I started with a VW Kombi with a Z-bed, then moved up to a full Campmobile.

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Then we got a 17 foot tow behind. After that we upgraded to a 25 foot 5th wheel.
That was so much fun we sold it after 5 years - it had become too big a PITA to deal with.

So, now back to a VW EVC.

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Some thoughts.

A van conversion used as a daily driver insures you have a working vehicle if you have to leave in a hurry. You'll have a better idea of gas mileage, handling and so on. A van will park just about anywhere and still provide a place to live.

A small trailer (smaller than 16 foot) is easier to tow with a smaller auto, doesn't require electric brakes (depends on your GVW) and still provides living space. Ensure it is fully self-contained if you plan on living in the rig for more than a few days at a time.

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A RV is something I've looked at a few times but always decided against it in the end. The main reason is no place to store it and that I move a lot. Now that I'm looking at settling down the RV question is coming back up. I've got the F350 and have gotten damn good at driving a 30' boat behind and backing it up. So a tow behind is more inline with what I want. I like this idea more than say a pop up for the bed as it gives more space, and can be loaded with preps and other gear just attach and go. That also give you the ability to use the bed of the truck to take more gear if needed.

But is a RV right for everyone? Probably not. However you cannot deny having a portable house that can be loaded ahead of time with food/water/preps and also used to house the in-laws when they come to town :clap:

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This is a question that I have been flip-flopping on for years. If I do, it will be a small towable. Just the basics. 20' or so. I have an AWD van to tow with.

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flybynight wrote:
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It kind of depends upon your strategy and what you are prepping for. People live in RV's so having a house on wheels can be handy if you have a place to take it and the fuel to get it there. Also if your primary dwelling is destroyed for some reason and your RV is not you have temporary back up lodging.

I believe a towed camper is a better strategy in general than a motorhome. The maintenance and fuel costs are exponentially lower and so long as you have a generator you don't give up that much. You may need a large truck to tow it but a large truck tends to be very reliable and much easier to work on then a full sized motorhome.


Tell that to the walking dead crew. Given the choice between almost anything else .Rusty , barely running motorhome wins out every time.


I've been saying they need a bigger vehicle budget for the show for years. When TLMOE show guy went with the SR-71 to cruise around in I was thinking "I'm in".

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Stercutus wrote:
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It kind of depends upon your strategy and what you are prepping for. People live in RV's so having a house on wheels can be handy if you have a place to take it and the fuel to get it there. Also if your primary dwelling is destroyed for some reason and your RV is not you have temporary back up lodging. I believe a towed camper is a better strategy in general than a motorhome. The maintenance and fuel costs are exponentially lower and so long as you have a generator you don't give up that much. You may need a large truck to tow it but a large truck tends to be very reliable and much easier to work on then a full sized motorhome.
Tell that to the walking dead crew. Given the choice between almost anything else .Rusty , barely running motorhome wins out every time.
I've been saying they need a bigger vehicle budget for the show for years. When TLMOE show guy went with the SR-71 to cruise around in I was thinking "I'm in".
What do you mean by the SR-71? The only things that I am finding is the aircraft & a band.

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What do you mean by the SR-71? The only things that I am finding is the aircraft & a band.


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depends what you are considering as an RV.

vans.
https://youtu.be/JqD0AGli5xo

Ute campers.
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Hatchbacks with rooftop tents.
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Interesting topic.
I agree the key question about RVs needs to factor in the likely risks.

An RV stands out and shouts both "Here I am" and "I have a lot of good stuff".

The are not fuel efficient but they have decent payload and towing ability. You could tow a more fuel efficient car behind and in effect use the RV as a tanker.

It has a lot of options. However much like a boat IMO you need to view it as transportation since they need recurring refit, refueling and R&M to stay fully functional.

Personally I agree a towed type either hitch or fifth wheel would be a better choice than a class a or b type but obviously YMMV.

I also think the camper inserts for a pickup truck would also be a good compromise, since it would allow you basic accommodations and the ability to tow a trailer.

I considered this mode of transport to deal with evacuation issues and the resulting huge increase in travel time. A class a or b would be great in a 9 hour traffic jam. That and once I arrived, a hotel would not be needed. It is worth considering for those reasons.

You then need to weigh the downsides that were mentioned previously.

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Some Type B motor homes don't look like much more than a van

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while others are very obvious
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Stuck in a nine hour traffic jam would make having the john along a nice plus.... As Raptor points even if used as a daily driver, maintenance and fuel are higher than a auto and small RV,


Even small (16 foot) RVs can be full timed & boondocked - at least for a while, the fiberglass models are much lighter and better insulated (in the newer models)

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And the slightly shorter (13 ft) rigs can be used off road/bug out mode.

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ETA - http://3upadventures.com/category/adven ... les/scamp/
A long discussion on vans, trailers, and toy hauler conversions. Worth the time to visit to see the feedback from someone who lived in all of these kinds of RVs.

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Hopefully not derailing the thread, but to the RV owners, what is the fuel economy / range like for an RV? Would you carry extra fuel inside the RV as a reserve? What is it like (fuel-wise) if just idling in traffic?

as a general rule caring fuel inside the passenger compartment is not a good idea.

in a traffic jam you run the risk of overheating a class B RV. I had that happen to me at one point. but since the jam was caused by an accident, I pulled over and had lunch as we were waiting for traffic to clear up.

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My bug out plan involves taking my preprovisioned 1974 Apache Roamer hardshell pop up camper on the road if we HAVE to Bug out. There's pretty good storage in it collapsed and I have managed to get a lot of INCH type stuff stowed away.

[YouTube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1kz0K902GQ[/YouTube]

(Not my camper but real close. My curtains are even uglier but I have an AC unit :clap: )


Bugging out would go against almost all of my plans though and would leave me basically a refugee until I reached more hospitable lands. If it proved to much to travel with or sufferred some catastrophic break down, I can transload the gear/supplies, ditch it and dash.

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My bug out plan involves taking my preprovisioned 1974 Apache Roamer hardshell pop up camper on the road if we HAVE to Bug out. There's pretty good storage in it collapsed and I have managed to get a lot of INCH type stuff stowed away.

[YouTube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1kz0K902GQ[/YouTube]

(Not my camper but real close. My curtains are even uglier but I have an AC unit :clap: )


Bugging out would go against almost all of my plans though and would leave me basically a refugee until I reached more hospitable lands. If it proved to much to travel with or sufferred some catastrophic break down, I can transload the gear/supplies, ditch it and dash.


LOL

My daughter picked one of these up last summer. They love it for camping as the rain is no big what with the hard sides. Same coffeepot green as well.

Seems there is quite the following. Even have a webpage - http://flamingduckmusic.webs.com/acpsresources.htm

I scanned the owners manual, parts manual and some sale brochures for her to put up on the site.

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Don't buy an RV.

It is usually cheaper to stay in motels, if you take the payments and divided them by the number of vacation days people actually use their RV

$600 per month payment x 12 months = $7,200 per year
3 weeks vacation per year /$7,200 = $342 per night to spend on a room.

This does not include campground fees, gas, or hassles like dumping, washing bedding, ect

Also what happens if the SHTF and you can't get to your RV, or it is blocked in by other vehicles/debris.
Also just because you have an RV does not make you safe, or guarantee survival.

There are a lot better uses for $60,000 in my opinion.

(When times are rough people end up sleeping in vehicles, but paying extra $$ for a dedicated vehicle that you might one day need to sleep in is a waste)

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Fit in the garage if you want, tows with a smaller SUV or PU, minimal taxes and can be set up to boondock.

These can be found, used, for reasonable <5K price points.

I agree with BN - a $60K RV isn't worth the toll....

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Deals can be found. I've never paid more than $1500 for any of my many pop ups over the years. No slide outs or cable, no self leveler or deluxe amenities. But a whole lot more comfortable than a car seat or a tent in bad weather or as we've had in hurricane season in Dallas: not a hotel room available at any price.

The sky is the limit on what you can piddle away on extras in a high end RV. BN is right about that.

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It reall depends on how many you'll be bugging out.
1-2 people, a pickup with a shell or a van conversion would be enough.
I have 2 kids so I need a 4 seater/4 berth.
My personal choice is a pickup with a camper that can be loaded into the truck bed with a cassette toilet.
The pickup seats 4-5 and the camper sleeps 4 (3 comfortably).
The truck campers can be put on a trailer if you need your pickup bed as extra storage or can be slid onto the pickup bed if you need to go off road or have a smaller footprint.

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