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A few articles lately me got me to thinking...

What kind of family defensive plans you may have if any.

Most likely threats being a home invasion, burglary or a domestic violence attack.

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A heroic young mother was shot twice as she tried to defend her family during a home invasion.

Semantha Bunce, 21, was at home feeding her four-month-old son Bentley when intruders broke into her home in east Charlotte, North Carolina, on Tuesday morning.

The mother-of-two, a combat medic in the National Guard, quickly took her son to the bedroom and placed him in the crib before grabbing her husband’s gun.

When the men opened fire at her in the stairwell, she then fired back from the bedroom door.

She managed to protect her child and chase away the intruders but was seriously injured in the process.

Her husband Paul, a medical technician, told WSOCTV: ‘I think it was a shock to the intruders just as much as it was to her.’


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A 13-year-old South Carolina boy shot and killed a would-be robber with his mother's gun, thwarting an attempted burglary on Tuesday, police say.

The teen, who police are not identifying because he is a minor, fatally shot Lamar Brown, 31, after Brown and 28-year-old Ira Bennett allegedly attempted to break into his Ladson home just before 2 p.m., The Post and Courier reports.

Brown, 31, died at Trident Medical Center of multiple gunshot wounds, Charleston County Chief Deputy Coroner Bobbi Jo O'Neal confirms to PEOPLE.

Police say the boy was home alone and grew suspicious when he saw a vehicle pull up behind the house. He told deputies that a man tried to break in, so he grabbed his mother's pistol and began firing, according to the Post and Courier.

Brown, of Summerville, exchanged gunfire with the boy before fleeing in a car with Bennett. Bennett then allegedly dropped Brown off at the medical center, where he was pronounced dead.


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The couple had separated two years earlier after he had been violent towards her, but things had been fairly amicable up to that point.

Something snapped in him that night, and fuelled by alcohol, Fields stormed into the home and broke down the bedroom door where the family were gathered. He stood there and pointed a shotgun at Moore.

“All the kids were screaming, ‘don’t shoot, don’t shoot’, but he did,” Brown said.

The children watched their mother fall backwards, unconscious.

Then Fields started reloading the shot gun.

The children of Rachael Moore have told 60 Minutes about how they protected their mother.

Cameron is just 12 years old but he ran at his father, and somehow managed to grab the shotgun and run out of the room with it.

“I ran forward and elbowed him,” the young boy told 60 Minutes.
Cameron grabbed the gun from his father.

Fields started dragging the children’s mother by the leg and then tried to gouge her eyes out but 14-year-old Jayden protected her.

“I just hopped on his back and started choking him,” Jayden said.

When Cameron returned to the room, he punched Fields in the temple, causing him to fall back. Jayden held on and kept his father in a chokehold until he passed out.

Meanwhile little sister Kaylea, 10, grabbed her mother and got her out of the room, hiding her under a bush outside.
Jayden hopped on his father’s back.

Even little Zane, 4, had the presence of mind to grab his little sister Samantha, 2, and hide under a bed. Then there was an anxious wait for police to arrive.

“Jayden was making sure mum was safe, Kaylea was holding a bandage on her mum’s arm and Cameron was running up and down the driveway, to find the police and direct them to his mum,” Brown said.

During this time, thankfully, their father didn’t attack again.

“The gun had been taken away, he was disarmed and disempowered, they said he seemed to go into a daze ... he was very heavily affected by alcohol,” Brown said.

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It's basically the same as our plan if there's a fire. My daughter's bedroom's window opens to a 1st story roof that we can use to get to the garage roof, to the back of the house, and then down into the side yard without needing a ladder. From there we can take off on foot to a neighbor's house.

The difference is, in the case of a home invasion, my dog and I would be fending the invading people off with barking, biting and bullets while the rest of the family got outside. Hopefully, as well, our home alarm system would be alerting police of the problem.

The bottom line, though, is that if people have gotten through my house's locked doors or windows, tripped the alarm, and are trying to fight with my dog? That buys plenty of time for escape, as well as for armed home / family defense if I'm home at the time. If I'm not, just escape for the rest of my family.

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My plan is similar to NP's.

1.) First layer is alarm system.
2.) Second layer is 137.5lb Ridgeback that does NOT like surprise guests.
3.) Third layer is me with .300BO, backing up the dog.

Momma gathers kids, barricades door, calls police, waits with pepper spray.

I do have an escape ladder in daughters room at back of house ready to go out window.

Hoping to have a safe room in next house.

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These seems like solid and familiar plans.

However I am not home 24/7.

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I would not want my children trying to fight off a burglar. Imagine in the second article if the boy had been killed in addition to the criminal. I doubt I would be saying how proud I was of my son laying down his life to protect a 55 inch color tv.

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I've gone over run/hide/fight with my oldest. It's mostly just run for my youngest - the intruder drill at school last year tripped her anxiety pretty hard. I really like the intruder drill and the school's approach to it, they're supposed to get the kids out of the building if they can, it's left to the teacher's judgement. But the anxiety is a definitely here-and-now zombie, we'll introduce the hide/fight elements as she gets older and can handle more. The kids have no access to firearms, by design.

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My kids are old enough (legally) and otherwise responsible enough to have access to firearms now. In fact they have had their hunting rifles in their rooms for several years. Of course they have been shooting since the age of six.



Over the years we have only had one person try to make entry when an adult was not home. The youngest who was 12 at the time was home alone. He grabbed a replica sword (still very sharp and made out of steel) and hid in the closet. The dog went berserk and the man left. The dog is very territorial against outsiders, protective of the kids, as well as large and intimidating (over 200lbs). Loud as hell too.

The incident did cause us to change our plans a bit. We had never figured on any of the kids being home alone and someone trying to get into the house.

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When I lived with roommates we had plans. We also had specific ways of phrasing certain things to indicate a need to go on alert. Now I live on my own, so no. Though I let an old homeless vet live in the tiny house I'm building out back. I trust him to holler if he sees something or call the police if he hears something, but I won't count on him for any more than that.

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Not to drift off, but the run, hide, defend against intruder, fire, medical, poison discussions and drills have been rehearsed at every house and location we have lived. Lessons taught at home can also be followed and taught at school and other locations. The thing that should be added is those that prey. If I had more time today I would post as many links as I can find that allows you to search your area code for registered criminals and offenders. A good defense is 360 degrees but in a more complicated world you might want to examine both inside and outside of your circles. Then maybe this could become a sticky. It is not easy being a dad or mom these days. Defend is always our watchword. It is the law.

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Asymetryczna wrote:
----------- If I had more time today I would post as many links as I can find that allows you to search your area code for registered criminals and offenders. -------------



I've seen numerous sites for discovering sex offenders but not other registered criminals. I'll search a bit but when you get a chance please list any phrases to use that might help.

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----------- If I had more time today I would post as many links as I can find that allows you to search your area code for registered criminals and offenders. -------------



I've seen numerous sites for discovering sex offenders but not other registered criminals. I'll search a bit but when you get a chance please list any phrases to use that might help.

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In the US Criminals don't register.

US society was originally predicated on the idea that if someone did something bad and they were punished for it then they would subsequently be forgiven and allowed to rejoin society in a fashion. Over time it was discovered that certain sex offenders never stop trying to commit sex crimes and merely pretend to reform themselves to gain the trust of new potential victims. All sex offenders got lumped into this basket hence the registry.

The easiest way to handle this is to assume that everyone you meet for the first time is lying to you and trying to take advantage of you in some way or wishes to do you or your family harm. This way you won't be disappointed later and may even be happy when you find out they are a decent person.

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Stercutus wrote:
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The easiest way to handle this is to assume that everyone you meet for the first time is lying to you and trying to take advantage of you in some way or wishes to do you or your family harm. This way you won't be disappointed later and may even be happy when you find out they are a decent person.


Or- Have a plan to kill everyone you meet. And then if you don't have to, it's been a good day.

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We chain, and deadbolt all doors, each door has an alarm on it. Also prop things at the doors to make then harder to open if kicked in. Always have a handgun within reach (my wife keeps one with her when at the computer), and I answer the door with a gun in my hand. Also do yard work/walk the dog/take out the trash with a concealed gun on me.

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Crime Reports or search tools:
https://www.crimereports.com/
http://spotcrime.com/
http://www.raidsonline.com/
Neighborhood Search:
http://www.safewise.com/home-security
http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/
Watchdogs
http://www.familywatchdog.us/default.asp
https://www.nsopw.gov/en-US/Search/Verification
Public Access to court records:
https://www.pacer.gov/
Location search for gun incidents
http://www.thetrace.org/2015/12/gun-deaths-interactive-map-2015/
Gun Violence in America:
http://www.vox.com/2015/8/24/9183525/gun-violence-statistics
http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/
Death by Police:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#
World Incident and Health maps:
http://outbreaks.globalincidentmap.com/
http://www.healthmap.org/en/
More:
https://www.fbi.gov/scams-safety/registry

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http://www.propublica.org/article/pipelines-explained-how-safe-are-americas-2.5-million-miles-of-pipelines

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I would not want my children trying to fight off a burglar. Imagine in the second article if the boy had been killed in addition to the criminal. I doubt I would be saying how proud I was of my son laying down his life to protect a 55 inch color tv.

Things can be replaced. People can't.

I've always assumed that if they are breaking in to a home that is occupied, they aren't after the T V

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I would not want my children trying to fight off a burglar. Imagine in the second article if the boy had been killed in addition to the criminal. I doubt I would be saying how proud I was of my son laying down his life to protect a 55 inch color tv.

Things can be replaced. People can't.

I've always assumed that if they are breaking in to a home that is occupied, they aren't after the T V

Always a possibility, but they might just have screwed up their surveillance and thought it was empty when it wasn't. Run-hide-fight as a default for someone who's not really trained in self defense works for either situation.

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duodecima wrote:
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I would not want my children trying to fight off a burglar. Imagine in the second article if the boy had been killed in addition to the criminal. I doubt I would be saying how proud I was of my son laying down his life to protect a 55 inch color tv.

Things can be replaced. People can't.

I've always assumed that if they are breaking in to a home that is occupied, they aren't after the T V

Always a possibility, but they might just have screwed up their surveillance and thought it was empty when it wasn't. Run-hide-fight as a default for someone who's not really trained in self defense works for either situation.

Putting a couple of rounds downrange into the foyer (i.e. after they've broken in the front door) should tell you what their intentions are; if they were only looking to take a TV from an unoccupied dwelling then they'll be beating feet way....if they're still trying to press on and penetrate the building after taking fire then it's highly likely they're not just smash and grab thieves.

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LowKey wrote:
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I would not want my children trying to fight off a burglar. Imagine in the second article if the boy had been killed in addition to the criminal. I doubt I would be saying how proud I was of my son laying down his life to protect a 55 inch color tv.

Things can be replaced. People can't.

I've always assumed that if they are breaking in to a home that is occupied, they aren't after the T V

Always a possibility, but they might just have screwed up their surveillance and thought it was empty when it wasn't. Run-hide-fight as a default for someone who's not really trained in self defense works for either situation.

Putting a couple of rounds downrange into the foyer (i.e. after they've broken in the front door) should tell you what their intentions are; if they were only looking to take a TV from an unoccupied dwelling then they'll be beating feet way....if they're still trying to press on and penetrate the building after taking fire then it's highly likely they're not just smash and grab thieves.

True! I was assuming this was my kid-who's-old-enough-to-be-home-alone-but-not-to-use-firearms-alone, since the response was based off of Evan's post. (The younger one doesn't get to be home alone, so not an issue.)

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LowKey wrote:
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I would not want my children trying to fight off a burglar. Imagine in the second article if the boy had been killed in addition to the criminal. I doubt I would be saying how proud I was of my son laying down his life to protect a 55 inch color tv.

Things can be replaced. People can't.

I've always assumed that if they are breaking in to a home that is occupied, they aren't after the T V

Always a possibility, but they might just have screwed up their surveillance and thought it was empty when it wasn't. Run-hide-fight as a default for someone who's not really trained in self defense works for either situation.

Putting a couple of rounds downrange into the foyer (i.e. after they've broken in the front door) should tell you what their intentions are; if they were only looking to take a TV from an unoccupied dwelling then they'll be beating feet way....if they're still trying to press on and penetrate the building after taking fire then it's highly likely they're not just smash and grab thieves.


Castle Doctrine is a good thing. Does your state have it in place?

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Let's not derail this into a political discussion about state laws and the use of deadly force that will take this thread to the graveyard.

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Let's not derail this into a political discussion about state laws and the use of deadly force that will take this thread to the graveyard.


My bad, sorry.

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I've had many a discussion with people who are less shall we say, pro-active, as I am.

They have taken the position that 'things' are not worth anyone's life, so they would not fight, but run/hide.

On a couple levels I agree with them. If they don't have the means/training then don't try to engage.

If you don't want to acquire the means/training then invest in alarms, door blockers, keep you auto dial 911 phone by your bed, pepper spray, roll up ladder by the window if on a second floor, etc. And by all means have a family plan.

Deciding you don't want to engage intruders for whatever reason is your choice, but don't be negligent in doing some kind of preparation.

I also agree 'things' are not worth someone's life. But I try to explain that how can you possibly know what their intentions are until it's too late?

Not willing to bet my families life that they are just there for the TV.

I think no matter where you stand, you can take passive as well as active precautions to deal with the issue.

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I've had many a discussion with people who are less shall we say, pro-active, as I am.

They have taken the position that 'things' are not worth anyone's life, so they would not fight, but run/hide.

On a couple levels I agree with them. If they don't have the means/training then don't try to engage.

If you don't want to acquire the means/training then invest in alarms, door blockers, keep you auto dial 911 phone by your bed, pepper spray, roll up ladder by the window if on a second floor, etc. And by all means have a family plan.

Deciding you don't want to engage intruders for whatever reason is your choice, but don't be negligent in doing some kind of preparation.

I also agree 'things' are not worth someone's life. But I try to explain that how can you possibly know what their intentions are until it's too late?

Not willing to bet my families life that they are just there for the TV.

I think no matter where you stand, you can take passive as well as active precautions to deal with the issue.

I think murder holes need to make comeback in domestic architecture.
I'm not even joking a little bit. Enough is enough.

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I think murder holes need to make comeback in domestic architecture.
I'm not even joking a little bit. Enough is enough.

Yeah, let's maybe keep the discussion of booby-traps and the like off the forums, please. Yes, I consider murder holes in a modern home to be a type of booby trap, something unexpected that is installed to do others harm.

If you want to build stuff like that, good for you, I just don't want us going down that rabbit hole here, please.

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