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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:34 pm 
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I tell most people my pantry (which is a small room) is because before we moved, we were at least 20 min from the grocery store, and therefore I got in the habit of never, ever running out of things that are non-perishable because I couldn't run to the store if I'd forgotten something for a meal. Plus I stock up on sales. (Both of these are also completely true, just not the entire reason.

It seriously does make day-to-day non-apocalyptic life much easier - we're only about a mile from the grocery store now but I think somebody goes for a last minute thing maybe 3x/year? It's also not a big deal if I don't get to the grocery store exactly when I'd planned, the only thing we run out of is fresh milk. And who can't use some extra money saved by stocking up on sales?

I also stock up on school supplies on sale - I usually have about half of what the kids will need for next year tucked away in the attic. That way if money were to be tight in a year, it's less money to spend then, and less stress about not being able to get the kids what they need. (&minimizes the stress of the situation to the kids.)

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I save my money and every 2 to 3 months I take $250 to $350 to Aldis and buy as many cases of canned goods as I can. This keeps this from being an everyday beat down of the constant thought of preparing which can be a beat down to those not on board. Also if I do the shopping I will come home with some extras. I also only buy what we normally would eat and use. My wife loves to tell folks we have 95 cans of spam at the house as it is some kind of joke. I get the "if things go bad I know where we are coming" a lot. On water I clean out 2 liter coke bottles and fill them back and place them in the freezer, my thoughts on this is if we loose power this will hold the freezers longer plus supply us water.


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Stuff - If you are going to need something “down the road”, and can buy it now for later use, there is a good chance it will be a better “investment” than normal investments. Buying food on sale, in bulk cuts down on overall food costs. (One of our “highest return” investments for the past few years has been cans of corned beef. I could NOT have guaranteed after tax returns that would have kept up with the rising price of a can…)

For some published thoughts on this aspect, see the book Alpha Strategy, available online free to read at:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/6230684/The-Alpha-Strategy

Jack Spirko, a podcaster on preparedness, speaks on how preparedness is also a retirement plan.
http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/episo ... ement-plan
http://www.survivalpodcast.net/audio/20 ... estead.mp3


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to help convince family members as to the "need" for preps just have them read the first post of this ZS thread: viewtopic.php?f=32&t=16627&hilit=katrina

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Talk about what happened the last ten years: increasing oil production costs, volatile food prices, environmental damage increasing worldwide, a major global financial crash and the threat of a new one, multiple feedback loops reported concerning global warming, news about the various epidemics and antibiotic resistance, reports on species die-offs, news about increasing conflict worldwide, etc.


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ralfy wrote:
Talk about what happened the last ten years: increasing oil production costs, volatile food prices, environmental damage increasing worldwide, a major global financial crash and the threat of a new one, multiple feedback loops reported concerning global warming, news about the various epidemics and antibiotic resistance, reports on species die-offs, news about increasing conflict worldwide, etc.


This will generally work with people who are already concerned with such events but it is unfortunately likely to fail with folks that are not.

A person with a more positive worldview would almost certainly not be moved by such discussions and might become even more entrenched in his or her anti-preparedness. Forgive me for not quoting sources, but a large part of the scientific understanding of how opinions are changed can be boiled down to "avoid direct conflict of opinions at all costs."

Lots of other methods mentioned in this thread can work very well: start with preparing for or talking about high probability events; discuss financial, health, and other side benefits of preparedness; or be really sneaky and make preparedness a game or fun in some other way. I've no doubt missed others but the main idea is not to challenge your spouse's worldview or opinions directly; those things are usually only changed gradually.


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it is like politics and the art of persuasion.

Quotes from: https://ricochet.com/archives/lost-art- ... ersuasion/

"Persuasion used to matter in politics. A good politician was someone with the inclination — and the skill — to convince people who weren’t among his supporters to endorse his preferred policy or legislation.

Persuasion, on the other hand, is hard. Convincing people to change their minds often requires that you appeal to their intellect rather than their emotions. You actually have to make your case, and you have to make it in a way that your audience will grasp and consider worth pondering. And because so many of the people you’re trying to convince don’t share your ideology, you must choose words and facts that will overcome their doubts and suspicions, and thus help close the gap between you. And you must do this in a way that broadens support for your policies without losing your original base. Persuasion takes a lot of effort, and it’s often a trial-and-error sort of process; a sense of humor helps."

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I've turned my sister into a prepper! I had let her know of my 'hobby'(sure, why not, we'll call it that) And she seemed interested. She was going thru a tough spot money wise last year, and I started bringing her stuff 'just in case' of emergencies. A dozen cases of water, a B.O.B. for her car, a carton of emergency candles, stuff like that. Then I moved up and gave her the pistol our father had given me (she lives alone, and I'm not crazy about her neighborhood) and I got her on the e-mail list of Emergency Essentials, The Ready Store, and Camping & Survival. I started lending her some good prepper eotwawki fiction. The other day I went over with a present, an extendable baton for self defense she could carry in her purse. She was thrilled with it, she had wanted one since seeing Joan Watson whip one out for a fight on 'Elementary'. And she showed me her latest preps. She had gotten a good buy on a 72 hour food kit, and a car disaster kit she had seen in those e-mails. She also had other small things , a magnesium fire starter, water proof matches in the plastic case, and some other things. I felt so proud. :clap:

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Don't have the time right now to scan the whole thread.

Look for documentaries on Hurricane Katrina.

My wife and I happened to watch one on 60 mins about what medical personnel e.g. hospitals went through the days following. Also showed a lot of the local populace.

She was on the fence about me being half crazy. Not after watching that.

Don't need much more convincing than that.


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