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by ghostface
Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:13 pm
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27739

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

KC.: Denying that words have definitions, such as you did in declaring falsely that climate and weather are the same thing is basically threadshitting. Words have meanings. Climate is not synonymous with weather. You need 20-30 years worth of temperature data to make climatologically meaningful stat...
by ghostface
Sun Jan 03, 2010 3:03 pm
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27739

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

I swear, the icecaps could be halfway to the damned equator next summer, and some folks would still be screaming about global warming. :roll: Was this hypothetical, which is completely unhinged from the actual reality happening on this planet, persuasive to you when you typed it? I'm not trying to ...
by ghostface
Sun Jan 03, 2010 2:10 pm
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27739

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

It's pretty easy to pick out the people who are completely innumerate, isn't it?

KC, how many years worth of global temperature data are necessary to make climatologically meaningful statements about warming or cooling trends?
by ghostface
Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:59 pm
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27739

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

propdoc wrote:I for one am not that upset with the violation of privacy with the hacks, especially given the seriousness of the problem. Something this important, should be transparent.
What was insufficiently transparent about climate science prior to the email hack?
by ghostface
Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:55 pm
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27739

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

...which is why it's called the "greenhouse" effect, instead of the "blanket" effect or the "tinfoil" effect or anything else. Greenhouse glass allows visible light in, but reflects infra-red heat. Actually, real world greenhouses act primarily by preventing the IR-warmed air from being blown away....
by ghostface
Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:51 pm
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27739

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

In my commoner understanding, the sun does have a major effect on the earth's weather. We have gone through a year of little to no solar activity and we have gone through very uneventful hurricane season. Hurricanes are they not the machinery for moving the heat energy from the equater to the north...
by ghostface
Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:34 pm
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27739

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

Of course, many areas of inquiry are very complex. The climate of the earth, however, is a complex system even compared to most other fields of study. So many interconnected systems, influencing each other, so many potential factors, many of which we do not fully understand. Well, again, yes and no...
by ghostface
Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:46 pm
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27739

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

I will not answer your personal attacks. It's not an "attack" to point out that you engaged in blatant plagiarism. If you pulled that shit at work or school you would be fired/expelled. It's dispicable. Your failure to acknowledge what you did is cowardly but unsurprising. Instead I will present ev...
by ghostface
Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:29 pm
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27739

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

Ghostface, thanks for your post Thanks for yours! It's a pleasure to talk to people who are motivated to increase their understanding of the world around them even if- or especially if- it might bump up against their preconceptions. That's a sign of true skepticism and critical thinking. We are tal...
by ghostface
Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:14 pm
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27739

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

What the geocentric believers Knock that off. always miss is a subtle study from Denmark. Two geophysicists (Friis-Christensen and Lassen, 1991) found a 95% correlation with sunspot peak frequency and cooling and heating. When the peaks are farther apart, all the planets cool and when the peaks are...
by ghostface
Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:47 am
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27739

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

I would hardly say that countering one blog with another blog is hardly scientific fact comparison, even if one blogger appears to be more eloquent and presents more pretty pictures than the other. There is no "scientific comparison" to be made. Unsubstantiated (by any credible scientific organizat...
by ghostface
Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:56 pm
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27739

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

Just saw this blog article on the Telegraph website, which is based on Russian scientists. (And, supposidly, a press release from a Russian news agency. I'm at work and my Russian isn't as good as it used to be, i.e. non-existant, but I just thought I'd share for the sake of discussion.) Russians c...
by ghostface
Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:12 pm
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27739

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

gangsta99 wrote:Humans causing a Global Warming / Cooling is as real as ManBearPig.

/thread
This is pretty blatant threadshitting. Knock it off.
by ghostface
Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:38 am
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27739

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

I'm curious as to why this was moved to Off-Topic. We had two threads, one in OT and one in DICE. I merged them and moved it into DICE, because ghostface suggested that a conversation like this has value in a public forum. So why another move? I think I did this somehow. I saw this thread on the se...
by ghostface
Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:48 pm
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27739

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

I have not seen (or perhaps do not understand) how the some of the conclusions about the disastrous future effects of this climate change have been arrived at. Everything from Gore's "no ice in the arctic within a decade" to the predictions of mass extinctions of various species. To grossly oversim...
by ghostface
Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:54 pm
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27739

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

I'm going to give some longwindedish answers, and although it might be difficult to judge my tone due to the problems with communicating on forums, please believe that I am writing this respectfully and as someone who appreciates your engagement. If I come off at any point as curt it's because I'm ...
by ghostface
Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:18 am
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27739

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

I would like to hear if they have run their models on old data such as for 2007 and have it produce a 2008 prediction and compare it the actual data from that year I can get to this and the rest tomorrow. Short answer is that while the climate models you're likely referring to are capable of produc...
by ghostface
Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:13 am
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27739

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

I was at the UK Met Office last week (don't ask), and they claim they've still got their paper observation records back to 1869. If anyone wants to go there and transcribe them, they're in the library or the archives and are open to the public (the archives would prefer some notice otherwise you mi...
by ghostface
Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:47 am
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27739

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

^ I appreciate you letting the discussion end civilly and taking your little internet victory with a modicum of humility. Truly, I am inspired by your words. It's possible he didn't see your last post. But yeah, everyone- no piling on after someone has said he or she is done with something, thanks....
by ghostface
Sat Dec 12, 2009 8:57 pm
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27739

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

I guess it's best to just leave it lie. Okay, I will respect your decision. I am going to reply, to which you can either respond to or not as you prefer. You're not going to convince me Quite simply, you're not a skeptic. Your mind is made up and not because of the merits of the evidence. and I'm n...
by ghostface
Sat Dec 12, 2009 6:59 pm
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27739

Re: Global Warming, a Hoax? CRU Server Hacked

The OP's link has another link to a search engine where the emails are hosted. I searched for some phrases I thought might point me at some of the 'nefarious' emails people keep talking about; the phrases I looked for included nudge, fudge, bump, data noise, fourier transform, mathematica, dendroch...
by ghostface
Sat Dec 12, 2009 6:22 pm
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27739

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

First, you put the onus back on ME a non-scientist to prove the "shenanigans" when I wasn't the one caught red-handed. If there were "shenanigans", and someone or some group was indeed "caught red-handed", it should be pretty easy to state clearly what exactly the wrongdoing was and how it affected...
by ghostface
Sat Dec 12, 2009 5:52 pm
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27739

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

I'm not sure why my previous opinion of climate change matters Because people in general are incredibly susceptible to confirmation bias. If you (the general you, not Kabong30) already believed something shady was going on, you're much more likely to uncritically accept characterizations that portr...
by ghostface
Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:44 am
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27739

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

asking a layman, with his job and his field of expertise and a mortgage and a baby and everything else to understand a field of science that is very far removed from him, while all the big-money players are spinning shit through his TV and internets, trying to make big bucks off it. But that's the ...

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