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by ghostface
Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:59 pm
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27490

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

I think the combativeness and, if I'm so blunt, arrogance, that is discernible in your statements as I underlined them, does your posts damage, whether you think so or not. He's completely right about there being no credible "anti-" side in terms of the science. This is evident in the scientific li...
by ghostface
Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:49 pm
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27490

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

That is a negative which means over the last 10 years (could be called a decade), it has been cooling in the USA. Has it been warming everywhere else for the last 10 years and the USA is a flyer? Naw. In point of fact, it has been warming globally for the last 10 years, so the contiguous US would b...
by ghostface
Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:43 pm
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27490

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

There are a lot of variables, sure. My point is, if (and I know that's a big if) the trend of global warming were reversed for a significant period of time, say 20 years, and none of the current models predicted it, why should one beleive other long-term models which say this trend will end, or AGW...
by ghostface
Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:27 pm
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27490

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

So you're saying even if we were to now enter a two-decade period in which global average temperatures become lower, global warming would still exist, in your opinion? No and yes. No, because the existence of the recent "peak" 1998 El Niño warming and "trough" 2008 La Niña cooling make an additiona...
by ghostface
Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:02 pm
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27490

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

Be the change you wish to see in the thread. :wink: The Daily Mail and subsequent Fox pieces claiming that Mojib Latif predicts we're about to undergo decades of cooling offer an interesting case of just how terrible some news outlets can be in reporting on science. Another recent example was the "a...
by ghostface
Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:27 am
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27490

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

The dude addressed 3 out of 100 and there is no reason to respond since that is SOP for the proponents trying to ignore the reasons it is a hoax and continue to spout BS from scientists who are bought and paid for by the carbon traders. a truth seeking skeptic, KC. Who should feel the need to read ...
by ghostface
Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:32 am
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27490

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

How can you be a truth-seeking skeptic when you're simply arguing for one side that you're already convinced of? Please, don't use words if you don't really know what they mean. Just so. When I wanted to demonstrate that there was plenty of observational evidence that increased greenhouse warming w...
by ghostface
Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:46 pm
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27490

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

I really prefer the term "unconvinced" as opposed to "denialist". Makes it much more platable, IMHO. I'm happy to refer to people who are unconvinced as unconvinced, just as I gladly refer to skeptical people as skeptics. Denialism is specific term with a specific meaning. The links I provided desc...
by ghostface
Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:36 pm
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27490

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

So says Richard Dawkins. So say a lot of people. It's a common denialist talking point. If you don't like Dawkins, there are other examples . That's going too far, and I don't consider anyone who actively hates and seeks to end all religion and faith as much as he does to be an unbiased source of s...
by ghostface
Mon Jan 11, 2010 7:53 pm
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27490

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

KC.: Sorry about that. I will remove the post once Fox News pulls that story or posts a rebuttal. The point is that you can post a link and excerpt reasonable amounts of text rather than just pasting entire articles. Apples and Oranges. An oak table is a object that you can put your hands on and se...
by ghostface
Mon Jan 11, 2010 7:24 pm
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27490

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

Not everyone who is unsure about the science behind climate change is a denialist. Denialism and denialist are specific terms that refer to an unfortunately common pattern of thinking and behavior. See: What is Denialism Denialism: How Irrational Thinking Hinders Scientific Progress, Harms the Plane...
by ghostface
Mon Jan 11, 2010 5:45 pm
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27490

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

KC.: Every time you post something, it gets substantively rebutted. You then ignore these responses and post lengthy excerpts or entire stories from right wing media venues, which are substantively rebutted, etc. You're not engaging in discussion, you're essentially spamming denialist talking points...
by ghostface
Mon Jan 11, 2010 5:36 pm
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27490

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

Dick Lindzen has done some admittedly good (and award-winning) work in tropical meteorology, but he seems to have devoted the latter portion of his life to crankdom. He is a cigarette-cancer denialist as well as a climate denialist. He claims that climate sensitivity is extremely low (~0.5°C), somet...
by ghostface
Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:31 pm
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27490

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

RE: Your Daily Mail article, which I said probably mischaracterized Mojib Latif's views, Latif has responded : Mojib Latif, a climate expert at the Leibniz Institute at Kiel University in Germany, said he "cannot understand" reports that used his research to question the scientific consensus on clim...
by ghostface
Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:28 pm
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27490

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

Ok. Since the year 2000, the USA has gotten colder. That is a fact. Whether or not it is a fact is a different matter than whether or not it is a meaningful one. The contiguous US comprises less than 2% of the globe. Attempting to extrapolate a global long term trend from a small area during too sh...
by ghostface
Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:57 am
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27490

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

You can spin the data anyway you want. It is a fact that it has cooled over the past decade. KC Words have meanings. "The past decade" means either the Aughts (2000s) or the last 10 years. By either definition, this is false. The Aughts were the hottest decade on record followed by the 90s followed...
by ghostface
Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:51 am
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27490

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1242011/DAVID-ROSE-The-mini-ice-age-starts-here.html#ixzz0cK3rkhx9 Latif's and Tsonis's published work doesn't actually match what that story says. Either the reporter was mistaken about their views or they are making claims to the press that they can'...
by ghostface
Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:43 am
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27490

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

The above graph shows the trend of temperature increasing .02 degrees F for each decade between 1900 and 2000 for the USA. The below graph shows the trend of temperatures decreasing by -1.73 degrees F for the past decade. Why are you using January only data and US only data? Why are you leaving off...
by ghostface
Sat Jan 09, 2010 10:43 am
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27490

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

KC.: Conspiracy theories are fun as far as entertainment goes, but the relative opacity of GHGs to infrared radiation, moist atmospheric thermodynamics, and blackbody radiation aren't going to change just because some political blogger somewhere has said, "ZOMFGBBQ it's all a LIE!" You've been asked...
by ghostface
Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:35 pm
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27490

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

This is why we should question their calculations and why we have the right to do so. You're conflating an initial value problem with a boundary value problem. I can't tell you whether the next flip of a coin will be heads or tails, nor can I tell you what the ratio of 20 flips will be, but I can t...
by ghostface
Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:51 pm
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27490

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

It's probably worth discriminating between the Gulf Stream and the AMOC. The Gulf Stream is a primarily wind-driven current (a Western Boundary current, part of the North Atlantic Gyre) that will be with us pretty much as long as there is an Atlantic ocean basin and the planet keeps spinning. The AM...
by ghostface
Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:50 pm
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27490

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

Chef- the things I underlined are what I consider to be strawman arguments. If you have actual examples of people in the thread doing these things, please point them out. If they do not actually exist here, please take your criticisms of them to wherever they are taking place if anywhere. I'm sure s...
by ghostface
Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:14 pm
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27490

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

Who is strawmanning who? You tell me. I'll underline the relevant bits: "moron . . . don't you know we have science " that comes through between the lines. Seriously. It really does, and it's off-putting. There is an unmistakable whiff of culty/hive-mindy/collectivist how-dare-you-doubt-me certaint...
by ghostface
Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:34 am
Forum: Disasters in Current Events
Topic: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming
Replies: 649
Views: 27490

Re: CLIMATEGATE: Hacked Emails cast doubt on Global Warming

It would be helpful to point out examples where this actually occurs rather than just assert that it has. I'd also note that your entire post is decidedly uncharitable to people who have been doing their level best to explain things to other people for no other benefit than the expansion of knowledg...

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