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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:58 pm 
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I am looking to buy several for my safety. I work at a job where I go into peoples homes plus there are dogs.

I was told by someone that police stun guns are 50,000 volts?


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:02 pm 
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I was told by someone that police stun guns are 50,000 volts?


It's not the volts, it's the amps. Make sure to check your local laws, and stay within them.

That's all I'm going to say.

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Enough to create an ELECTRICITY MONSTER! http://www.flickr.com/photos/catescott/3276117926/

Really though, lots, stunguns Ive seen go up to 250,000 volts. But its not the volts that hurt you, its the amperage.
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starzwar wrote:
I was told by someone that police stun guns are 50,000 volts?


It's not the volts, it's the amps. Make sure to check your local laws, and stay within them.

That's all I'm going to say.


+1000 right on the money!

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If you buy a quality product the voltage and amperage will be plenty.

There are a lot more important things to ask yourself.
What's your reasoning for wanting a stun gun specifically? Have you considered other less-lethal weapons? Such as OC-spray, a taser and so on. How about CCW? What are the legalities? What is your employers policy?

Stun guns are limited in their capabilities, they have no range, they have no duration and they have poor penetration. A taser has all three things, so does OC-spray. With a stun gun you have to fight your opponent at close quarters, it only delivers current while actually beeing pressed against the body and thick clothing may absorb the brunt of the blast.

For self defense you ideally want a weapon that will let you disengage safely. IMO a stun gun does not offer this. Some tasers will keep delivering current for several seconds, allowing you to drop the weapon and leave the area. Similarly, OC will linger and continue to incapacitate an opponent for some time after you stop spraying him.

As for using a stun gun against dogs, I have no idea if it works well. No doubt there are other members here who know though.

OC does work quite well on dogs however.

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A.C.E. wrote:
As for using a stun gun against dogs, I have no idea if it works well. No doubt there are other members here who know though.


I have no firsthand experience, but I would guess that this is a good way to get bitten.

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What is OC?


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starzwar wrote:
What is OC?

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do you mean "taser" or "stun gun"? they are two diferent kettles of fish. The stun gun= pain compliance. Taser = NMI, and when used right there is not a damn thing you can do for the duration of the ride. Granted, IF the probes are not placed right, clothing disconnect, ect it can be less efective, but if those probes are within 1" of the body, and placed right, hang on, and prepare to be come human plywood.

Tasers (X26, M26) run at 50K volts, in order to jump a 1" gap thru ioized air, then the actual charge is in the neighborhood of 1200 volts, once it has a connection, it does not take much charge to create NMI. This get debated back and forth quite a bit..amoung those who have no probe/drive stun scars. Tasers are good tools...but they do not replace unarmed skills, firearms, or judgement. they can be a good option in non-fireams areas-but practice a lot.


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It takes volts to push amps! Automobile batteries have a lot of amps, but 12 volts won't push any amps through the human body. The electric chair once used in my state, had 2000 volts at 20 amps. More than enough to fry a brain. The taser/stun guns are 50,000 volts but very little amps. If a taser/stun gun was capable of 50,000 volts at 1 amp, the term phaser on kill and tasered would mean the same.

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Given your situation--and your question--I might make a recommendation...

Depending on your local laws, I'd suggest *both* a Taser as well as some good OC spray. Without going into too much detail, I spent most of the last two years in a situation where most Friday and Saturday nights I had to be able to spend several hours dealing with aggresive, often drunk, sometimes methed up, and more often than not, really big, muscley guys.

At different points I carried a 800k volt stun gun, a 4inch spring assisted folder, a monsterous 5inch cold-steele folder, Fox Labs OC spray and a C2 Taser.

After trying a few different combos of the above, I stuck to the C2 and the Fox labs OC spray. Why? well...

-They're both distance weapons with realistic ranges of up 10-12 ft

-They both have very, very low failures rates much like birth control, though, doubling up is the best way to get within *virtually* 100% effectiveness.

-The Taser requires you to register with Taser International for it to work. While a lot of people see this as a draw-back, I'm inclined to believe that it's because of this that a LEO would be less likely to hassle you in the event of having to discharge the weapon--assuming it is indeed justified. Maybe I'm naive but I'd like to believe that, more likely than not, the officer/court/whatever would realize that it's not likely you purchased the Taser with the intention of committing a crime.

-Both of these things tend to scare the shit out of people--so you don't need to use them. I think a lot of rowdy/drunk people wouldn't be scared of a knife because, when push comes to shove, lots of people who shine a blade might not be willing to actually use it.

If you activate a taser (both a light and laser come from the front of the unit when you've readied it to deploy) and scream at someone to back up, get away, drop their baseball bat, etc--they tend to do it. I've pulled it out on a really aggressive guy who was 6'4", 230lbs+ of pure muscle and he quickly GTFO rather than take the ride. There's much less of an intimidation factor with OC spray, granted, but it works better as a backup regardless.

Also--it's important to practice with any weapon you expect might save you from grievous bodily injury. Without training, you may misfire a Taser and without some exposure to OC spray, any amount of blowback is probably going to put you out of commission--and there's almost ALWAYS at least a little blow-back.

One thing worth noting, though--because I feel like I was mislead on this--the C2 taser (their most popular model) is designed to be water-resistant and, as such, it is EXTREMELY difficult to remove a spent cartridge from the weapon. Though Taser touts the "drive stun" feature as a second resort, it's just not realistic that you'll be able to remove a spent cartridge while someone is attacking you unless you have grip strength like a pair of pliers. Just my $.02, though.


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If we are actually talking about Taser brand of stun guns, there is no difference in the stopping power of the Police and Civilian models. Both are 50,000 volts. I carry the X26 at work. The only difference between the X26 and the C2 models is the cycle times. The X26 LE model cycles for 5 seconds. The C2 civilian model cycles for 30 seconds. The reason the C2 model delivers a 30 second shock is to allow you time to get the hell out of doge and find help.

Both the X26 and C2 cartridges are designed to be used in drive stun mode in case the darts miss. You do not need to remove the cartridge to use it in drive stun mode.

As for using the Taser in conjunction with OC spray, you need to make sure you are using WATER based OC spray. If you're not using the water based spray, there is a possibility of igniting the propellant and now you've got a human torch on your hands. This is why my Dept and others only use water based OC.

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Can we say roman candle? Our dept will not allow a Taser to be used on any subject that has been exposed to OC. PERIOD.


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As for using the Taser in conjunction with OC spray, you need to make sure you are using WATER based OC spray. If you're not using the water based spray, there is a possibility of igniting the propellant and now you've got a human torch on your hands. This is why my Dept and others only use water based OC.


Yeah--I was definitely remiss in not having mentioned this. My setup was always to use the Taser first and only step up to the OC if the Taser didn't land on target or, god forbid, malfunctioned, but given that the barbs can end up in an open jacket as opposed to the target and the spread-ability of OC spray, it's still wise to use water-based spray for the concern BBM brought up.

That said--My C2 can't "spark" in drive-stun mode with a cartridge still in the chamber--the charge goes to the barbs even if they're laying on the ground. As far as I know, this is standard on the C2 and the only way to avoid the charge going to the barbs rather than between the contact points on the C2 (turning it into a stun gun) is to remove the cartridge which, as I mentioned, is extremely hard to do on most of the C2's that have been produced thus far (difficulty in removing cartridges was a "known issue" when I spoke to Taser international about this).

Maybe they tweaked the design of the C2 since last January, though. If anyone has any info on this--please share.


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As for using the Taser in conjunction with OC spray, you need to make sure you are using WATER based OC spray. If you're not using the water based spray, there is a possibility of igniting the propellant and now you've got a human torch on your hands. This is why my Dept and others only use water based OC.


Yeah--I was definitely remiss in not having mentioned this. My setup was always to use the Taser first and only step up to the OC if the Taser didn't land on target or, god forbid, malfunctioned, but given that the barbs can end up in an open jacket as opposed to the target and the spread-ability of OC spray, it's still wise to use water-based spray for the concern BBM brought up.

That said--My C2 can't "spark" in drive-stun mode with a cartridge still in the chamber--the charge goes to the barbs even if they're laying on the ground. As far as I know, this is standard on the C2 and the only way to avoid the charge going to the barbs rather than between the contact points on the C2 (turning it into a stun gun) is to remove the cartridge which, as I mentioned, is extremely hard to do on most of the C2's that have been produced thus far (difficulty in removing cartridges was a "known issue" when I spoke to Taser international about this).

Maybe they tweaked the design of the C2 since last January, though. If anyone has any info on this--please share.


My only experience is with the X26, so I'm only guessing here. Take a look at the used cartridge. There should be two small metal tips built into the plastic of the cartridge. This is what will conduct the current during a drive stun.

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Uh...someone edited my post! "Son, I am appoint"??? I do not speak or type like that. WTF is that supposed to mean in regular adult English? Someone clue me in.


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Uh...someone edited my post! "Son, I am appoint"??? I do not speak or type like that. WTF is that supposed to mean in regular adult English? Someone clue me in.


LOL

It is a word filter. If you type "+ 1" without the space, it replaces it with "Son, I am appoint".

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Thank you. Why?


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Thank you. Why?


Not been here all that long, but from what I can gather it is an inside joke because one of the mods hates + 1 posts. :D

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