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 Post subject: Making Penicillin (Part 3) - - With (lotsa) visuals!
PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:07 pm 
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I've recieved all the items I ordered related to this topic, and it's time to post some pictures and get down to work. For readers unfamiliar with the details of this project, here is the Reader's Digest (very) condensed version:

QUESTION: What if we run out of antibiotics in the PAW (we use our stored supplies up or they go bad). Could we make more?

ANSWER: Hell, I don't know...let's try!

Links to previous posts related to this topic are provided below if you want to know a bit more background and details:

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Anyway, I ordered all the supplies from Carolina Biological Supplies. The shopping list was:

1. P. chrysogenum, living tube
2. P. chrysogenum, living plate
3. P. chrysogenum, microkwik culture (freeze dried)
4. Potato dextros agar, 10 plates
5. Potato dextrose agar, 10 tubes
5. 100 x 15 mm petri dish

Total price including 2nd day air shipping for the living items was around $100. I screwed up my initial order and had to contact customer service about getting one of the items included. They were great, and shipped the additional agar plates without charging me extra for the postage. If you have biological or laboratory supplies you need to order (and really, who doesn't?!), give these folks a try. Very easy to work with, and a good website.

The entire shipment arrived within 5 days, and here it all is spread out in my secret laboratory, er, basement...

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A more detailed vew of each component follows:


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These are pre-made agar plates, with a media that is specific for fungi and molds. I'll be using them to make cultures from the freeze dried P. chryosgenum and maybe from the live molds that got shipped.

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These are pre-made agar slant tubes, with the same PDA media. Using them to make cultures as above.

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Close up of the freeze dried P. chrysogenum kit, as well as a living culture that was shipped (magnificent, isn't it?)

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Two pamphlets that were included with the freeze dried kit (it's marketed for classroom use), which give a very decent overview of working with live and freeze dried cultures, aseptic technique, growing criteria, etc. I wasn't really expecting this literature, so I was pleasantly suprised. They're really very informative.

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Scary insert advising me to properly dispose of any supermutant critters I might have ordered or engineered :shock:

I've already started a bacterial culture (my own personal throat/mouth swab) on one of the PDA slant tubes, but I don't know if the media will support bacterial growth (based on some internet fact-finding, I think the pH adjustment given to PDA to maximize fungal growth acts as an inhibitor to bacterial growth). I should know in a few days if that's going to work. If it doesn't, then I'll have to order a standard nutrient agar from Carolina Supply, or see if I can't go to the nearby college campus and snag some from the biology department (I'm an alum, so we'll see what that gets me..).

I'll post more on my lab set-up in the near future. The actual bacteria killing experiments can begin as soon as I get a good growth of critters, or when my buddy sends me agar plates with PCN sensitive E. coli (this will be hit and miss, since he's working around his own schedule). As soon as I get a good bacteria colony growing, I'll start making extractions and dilutions of the live mold the lab shipped, and the bacterial slaughter will (hopefully) begin. After this proof of concept, I'll get to work on recreating the experiment under PAW conditions.

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 Post subject: Re: Making Penicillin (Part 3) - - With (lotsa) visuals!
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BTW, you can get agar mondo cheap at the local Asian Market.

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That's all I really wanted to say. But in case there are interested onlookers, I'll ramble on a bit since I've had a couple pints of bitter that has recently carbed/conditioned.

Making your own agar media does require autoclavable/pressureCannable materials, but borosilcate plates and cultures tubes are cheap surplus off eBay. Biggest expense will likely be the pressure canner, tho antiZombie folk should probably invest in a canner anyhow, yeah? So mix your media (potato, malt, blood, whatever) , throw it in the pressure canner 15#/15mins, and let it cool in the plate or in the slanted tube.

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Inoculate, incubate. Then shout "Urethra!" or whatever. It's alive!

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Once your monoculture is happily thriving on the plate/slant, you can suspend (bacteria and fungi at least) in small amount of it in sterile, distilled water at room temps for very long periods. Years, based on the published peer journal articles of some microbiologists in the 1930s. Low tech, good for when SHTF and there is no refrigeration:

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Speaking of low tech, you can make a stirplate for free out fo a PC fan, cellphone charger, dead HD, and a piece of tupperware. You know, just in case you need to step up your cell counts:
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Didn't mean to hijack the thread. Did think it might be fun for you to know there are more Jr Scientist types out there getting our quadrant streak on. I have another experiment going where I am trying to snag some local yeasts by exposing sterile plates to the outdoors, but haven't caught anything promising yet. Truckloads of green and blue molds, but I haven't introduced them to bacterial colonies to see if they inhibit them (a la Fleming).

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Didn't mean to hijack the thread. Did think it might be fun for you to know there are more Jr Scientist types out there getting our quadrant streak on. I have another experiment going where I am trying to snag some local yeasts by exposing sterile plates to the outdoors, but haven't caught anything promising yet. Truckloads of green and blue molds, but I haven't introduced them to bacterial colonies to see if they inhibit them (a la Fleming).

My gawd, I feel like we were separated at birth... :lol:

That's really good scoop. I've been lovingly inspecting my oral/skin cultures on the potato dextrose agar (mentioned in a previous post on this thread), and I'm just not real happy with them. I'm trying to get photographic quality bacteria colonies so my peeps will have something cool to look at, but have been dissapointed with small quantities of pale, unhappy germs, incubating sullenly. Hardly worth dropping any of my P. chryosogenum on them - - it seems like it would just be, unfair?

Here's the images from an icubation that started on 2/22 at 1600 hours (picture taken today, 2/26 at approximately 1800 hours)

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I suppose I could smear the plates more heavily, but the growth still seems lacking - - and it ain't because I was particularly clean (either of mouth or armpit) when I took the swabs!

I don't have a pressure cooker. Can you simply sterilize the media and plates through boiling? I would think a good long bath at a rolling boil would give me media sterile enough for my purposes, but you seem to have the 'guerilla bacteriologist' thing down better than I do. If so, I'm all about trying to make my own homemade nutrient agar. I was going to go very ghetto and just use unflavored gelatin and small quantites of honey or table sugar, but if you have a better recipe, then send it downrange to me. I'm all ears.

I think I'll go ahead and order some commercial agar plates from Carolina Biological Supply, in order to get the best possible growth. It's not that expensive, and they ship very quickly. I'll use the homemade stuff in part 2 of my experiment.

Thanks for the information. I really hadn't planned on doing plate counts to see what kill percentage I got from the crude penicillin extract (mostly because my last university bac-t course was about, oh 15 years ago and I've forgotten the vagaries of plate counts...). I was basically going to eyeball the kill zone and try and qualitatively determine the potency of the various diliutions. HOWEVER, for those of you following along at home that have the skills, plate counting would definitely make for a more quantitive analysis of homebrew effectiveness.

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I've been lovingly inspecting my oral/skin cultures on the potato dextrose agar (mentioned in a previous post on this thread), and I'm just not real happy with them. I'm trying to get photographic quality bacteria colonies so my peeps will have something cool to look at, but have been dissapointed with small quantities of pale, unhappy germs, incubating sullenly. Hardly worth dropping any of my P. chryosogenum on them - - it seems like it would just be, unfair?


I get nearly nothing visually dramatic when swabbing myself, but the plates go bat$hit crazy when I swab fruit. Like you say, this is not a function of excellence in personal but hygiene but something else. I suspect it means that my malt/agar media is not optimal for growing people bugs, or maybe the human microflora are just not exciting to the eye. Dunno.

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I suppose I could smear the plates more heavily, but the growth still seems lacking - - and it ain't because I was particularly clean (either of mouth or armpit) when I took the swabs!


Those inoculations look great to me; the smaller rounded colonies suggest those grew out of single cells on the media. Good stuff.

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I don't have a pressure cooker. Can you simply sterilize the media and plates through boiling?


Boiling will sanitize but not kill all the bugs. And since the media is intended to grow bugs anything less than sterile is counterproductive. A pressure canner or autoclave at 15mins@15# or better will kill bugs dead. D-E-D, dead.

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bacteriologist' thing down better than I do. If so, I'm all about trying to make my own homemade nutrient agar. I was going to go very ghetto and just use unflavored gelatin and small quantites of honey or table sugar, but if you have a better recipe, then send it downrange to me. I'm all ears.


Gelatin is a well-respected media base for cool/cold environments. In Texas it won't set at our room temps. And since homemade plates are traditionally stored upside down to control condensation problems (media and the culture hanging down from the top like a biological stalactite) the gelatin would just drip off. I would guess that gelatin gets unstable above 60F or so. Haven't actually tested the slop point.

If you are interested in playing with the agar PM me with some kind of shipping address (PO box, work, whatever) and I'll ship you a packet. I've got a drawerfull and it's stupid cheap so it's no sweat. Or you can snag it at the Asian market. I use 5g of agar for 250ml of near-boiling media, so I get 5-6 batches (each batch with something like like 10 plates, or 5 plates and 10 tubes) out of one 1oz packet.

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I think I'll go ahead and order some commercial agar plates from Carolina Biological Supply, in order to get the best possible growth. It's not that expensive, and they ship very quickly. I'll use the homemade stuff in part 2 of my experiment.


It does make more sense to buy them premade if you're not trucking through a bunch of them. I probably make 10 plates each week or so keeping the cost down matters (particularly on teacher's pay); last time I did the math it costs something like 6 cents to make a plate. Of course you have to eat the cost of glass plates, the canner, etc.


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I was basically going to eyeball the kill zone and try and qualitatively determine the potency of the various diliutions.


That's what I had in mind, too. I figure if it was good enough for Fleming to figure out what was happening that way then it's good enough for me. Plus it's the bonus geek pleasure of re-enacting his original procedure.

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 Post subject: Re: Making Penicillin (Part 3) - - With (lotsa) visuals!
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Wow, you rock! Can't wait to see how this turns out. There should be some kind of special folder to store great threads like this in one central location.

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I suppose I could smear the plates more heavily, but the growth still seems lacking - - and it ain't because I was particularly clean (either of mouth or armpit) when I took the swabs!


Actually, that colony density is pretty much perfect on the lower and ever so slightly low on the upper half. Easily identifiable, single cultures, and between 30 and 300 per 90mm plate is the rule of thumb for lab work.

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Actually, that colony density is pretty much perfect on the lower and ever so slightly low on the upper half. Easily identifiable, single cultures, and between 30 and 300 per 90mm plate is the rule of thumb for lab work.

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Those inoculations look great to me; the smaller rounded colonies suggest those grew out of single cells on the media. Good stuff.

Well, since the consensus seems to be that the oral/skin bacterial cultures are of good quality, I suppose I'll go ahead with plate innoculation and testing. I will proceed as follows:

1. Make two separate plates, innoculating one with critters from my skin swab, and one with critters from an oral swab.

2. Twiddle thumbs until good growth occurs (about 2-3 days).

3. Divide the plates into 3 zones and test the following substances for bacteriocidal properties:
a) Sterile water (this will be the control for the water I'm using to make the penicillin 'paste')
b) Commercial antibacterial ointment (a generic triple antibiotic ointment I got from CVS)
c) A paste made from the sterile water and a healthy dollop of my living P. chrysogenum

4. Twiddle thumbs until some type of bacteriocidal action is observed.

5. Attempt to quantititatively evaluate the 'kill zone' around the bacteriocides.

6. If the penicillin exhibits antibacterial properties as a crude paste, make further serial dilutions on a seperate plate to see at what dilution point those properties fail.

If the penicillin paste doesn't seem to work, I would say this project is 'busted'. If it does work to some extent, I will then proceed to culture P. chrysogenum from the freeze dried specimens I recieved onto less than ideal cultures (PAW available items like homemade bread, homemade corn steeps, etc.), and repeat the innoculation process.

I will include notes on setup, equipment, and material used in the next post.

GermanGuy and Frater, you two are unofficial coauthors of this study now. In exchange for your continued good advice and assistance, you will recieve full share in all the accolades this project will no doubt bring to us... :D

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one thing to be aware of... If you collected natural yeasts from those swabs, your penicillin mixture may not work even if it contains a good amount of antibiotic. If you have a decent microscope available, you should take a look at it. Yeast will be much larger than bacteria.

Looks great though, glad to see that you are following up on this!

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Earlier this year I plated some pure yeast culture to confirm viability, and forgot about it until recently. Took a picture before I cleaned it out. You can see all the round colonies are starting to grow into each other because I just left it on the bookshelf. This plate is inverted, with colored parafilm sealing it.
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The foamy crap in the middle is, uhh, foam. Resulted from an overenthusiastic application of agar with a syringe. Got aerated a bit. Bubbles set that way.


This particular process was:
Wyeast 1084 Irish Ale "smackpack" (I was brewing a Smithwick's clone) -->
Plate to check viability and get pure cells to suspend (no media allowed!) -->
distilled water suspension for longterm storage/resuse -->
sacrified one suspension to make a plate as proof-of-concept of suspenson storage (ie, playing around having fun with fungi)

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The foamy crap in the middle is, uhh, foam. Resulted from an overenthusiastic application of agar with a syringe. Got aerated a bit. Bubbles set that way.


Protip: A bunsen burner (a butane lighter will do in a pinch), very lightly applied to the bubbles while the agar has not set yet, will get rid of them. Over the years, I've probably saved a few thousand plates this way.

edits: About the test subjects: Look for small (1-2mm) goldish-yellow, almost spherical colonies (size is for 24 hours of 37°C incubation). Look for them on plates inoculated with swabs from the mouth/nose area. If you find them, you have Staphylococcus Aureus on you, whoch in itself is normal. Of however these cultures do not react to penicillin, you can tell the doctor to use a non-cillin antibiotic if you should ever get diagnosed with a staph infection. Might save some time ;)

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Protip: A bunsen burner (a butane lighter will do in a pinch), very lightly applied to the bubbles while the agar has not set yet, will get rid of them. Over the years, I've probably saved a few thousand plates this way.


Nice, I'll do it. It's amazing what we can learn from folks with practical experience.

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you can tell the doctor to use a non-cillin antibiotic if you should ever get diagnosed with a staph infection. Might save some time ;)


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Three section swab on a PDA plate for testing of the antibacterial properties of various substances = moderate fail :(

Here's the thing. I did a (magnificent) swab for skin and oral flora/fauna, incubated the plates in my incredibly scientifically accurate, meticulously calibrated, stringently environmentally controlled incubation area (a place on my basement work bench consisting of a heating pad turned to low, a thermometer to gauge the temp, and a towel [freshly washed!] to cover the whole mess and provide a little insulation), waited 4 days, and got....squat.

I take that back. I actually got about three puny colonies on one of the skin swab sections that were so wretched I'm not even going to insult the viewing public with a photograph. That is all.

Alas, science is not fast, nor is progress assured. Bolstered by my success with the initial swabs on the PDA media and by the support of my kindred ZS'ers FraterLVX and ThatGermanGuy, I was really expecting good results with the follow up swabs and was looking forward to the initial testing. So much so that I gaffed off ordering the standard nutrient agar plates from Carolina Supply. I won't make that mistake again.

So, TOMORROW (3.9.09) I will order agar plates from Carolina. Give them about 5 days to ship the supplies, a day to get the swabbin' done, and another few days to see if the incubation is good, and then I should be able to start over with my various antibacterial tests (see my February 28 post for the procedures).

In the meantime, I'm going to continue with a different phase of this project, which will be slightly out of order but will give me something to do in the meantime while my plates are in transit. I'm going to take the freeze dried P. chrsogenum specimens I got from Carolina Supply and try to cultivate them on 'non-ideal' media. This was supposed to be done after confirming a crude penicillin could show effective antibacterial properties, but what the hell. I'm going to use several items that will undoubtedly be around after the ZPAW, including a few slices of homemade bread, some potato slices, maybe a bowl of rice or oatmeal, a homemade gelatin plate, and maybe some homemade corn steeps. I'll culture the P. chrysogenum on both the laboratory provided PDA plates as a control, as well as the ZPAW stuff.

The bride and I both have the day off together tomorrow (repeat after me: "Time which could be spent with my sweetie shall not be spent pursuing laboratory experiments in my basement concerning the real or percieved inevitibility of zombies overruning civilization"), so the homemade media study will commence sometime in the days after. I will keep all posted on progress, with approprite pics.

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Protip: A bunsen burner (a butane lighter will do in a pinch), very lightly applied to the bubbles while the agar has not set yet, will get rid of them. Over the years, I've probably saved a few thousand plates this way.


Nice, I'll do it. It's amazing what we can learn from folks with practical experience.
BTW I just reread your post... squirting with a syringe is kinda meh, as it often produces exactly those bubbles. Just pour the plates straight from the container you autoclaved the agar in. You might need insulated gloves, especially if you haven't done this often, but the plates will come out rather nice. You'll quickly (less than 50 plates) find out exactly how ast and how long you need to pour to get that perfect layer that only just covers the plate without being too thick.[/quote]
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you can tell the doctor to use a non-cillin antibiotic if you should ever get diagnosed with a staph infection. Might save some time ;)
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It'd be funny if s/he asked how you knew. "See, I'm interested in zombies and home-made 'cillin, so I ...."

Yeah, well, different strokes and all... I was bored one week in the lab (Army, go figure :mrgreen:), and decided to test my oral and nasal flora against various antibiotics. Turns out that I have strange Staph, they are resistant to everything but methicillin. Doc raised an eyebrow at that one :)

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 Post subject: Re: Making Penicillin (Part 3) - - With (lotsa) visuals!
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So if it has antibacterial effects, how do you use it medically one a person?

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 Post subject: Re: Making Penicillin (Part 3) - - With (lotsa) visuals!
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Since I'm stuck waiting for my agar plates, I'm forging ahead with culturing the freeze dried P. chrysogenum that I ordered from Carolina Biological supply. The point of this exercise was to determine if an intrepid ZS'er could, under ZPAW conditions of sanitation and using ZPAW materials, use this type of preserved culture to grow a viable penicillin mold.

In order to approximate the (probable) inability of an average ZS'er to maintain strict aseptic technique in a world of shamblers, I decided early on that I would not lose my mind trying to keep things sterile and uncontaminated. Basic sanitation applied: Hands were washed frequently with soap and hot water (both of which we should have in the ZPAW), utensils and containers were likewise washed and dried with a clean dishtowel, cutting surfaces were wiped down with a soapy wet rag in between items, the utensils that came in direct contact with the freeze dried culture were flamed or dunked in boiling water between contacts, etc. In short I basically tried to keep things as clean as I do when I'm cooking, which is clean but far short of having everything I touch autoclaved for lab sterility.

First stop was selecting appropriate media and supplies. I tried to pick a variety of items for my media, at least some of which would likely be availble to an average homesteader. The finalists were:

1. Standard Idaho potato
2. Sweet potato
3. Unflavored gelatin (Knox brand)
4. Unflavored gelatin (Knox brand) + 1 TSP organic honey
5. Plain white rice (not instant)
6. 'Artisan' white bread from a local bakery (represents the homemade bread we'll be living on).

My media trays are disposable ziploc style tupperware.

I had to make a 'control' tupperware as well as an 'active' tupperware for each media, since we need to know exactly how aseptic my half-ass aseptic technique was. Also, a control media should tell us if there are naturally occurring molds in the items I slected that might cause the P. chrysogenum to be either impure or inhibited altogether. Media prep was fairly basic: peel, wash, and quarter the potatoes, prepare the rice and gelatin according to package directions, and lop off a few slices of bread.

The full set of tupperware (control and innoculated) is shown here:
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A close up is here:
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From left to right, the picture shows the potato slices (Idaho and sweet), the bread, and the rice (still warm from cooking, so it's a bit foggy). The 'C' marker shows the un-inoculated control plate, the 'P' marker shows the plate that I inoculated with the freeze dried spores. The other information is the date and time of inoculation or preparation.

A close up of the gelatin plates is shown here:
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One of the plates is plain gelatin, the other is the one with the honey added. You'll note that both carry the 'P' designation. I innoculated both plates, mostly because I ran out of gelatin, but also because I figured the gelatin was made with boiling water and poured while still hot, so it was likely about as bug free as it was going to get - - hence, no control needed (we'll see about that...).

Reconstituting the freeze dried P. chrysogenum was essentially idiot proof - - you just follow the directions in the package. The package contents are shown here:

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This shows the directions (very easy to follow), the freeze dried spores (small glass container), and the rehydrating solution (large tube, which in this case was plain water). Squirt the water into the tube, wait 1/2 hour, and then suck out the sediment which has settled to the bottom of the tube. These are the spores you use to innoculate your media. The freeze dried media basically looks like a hunk of yellow chalk before you reconsititute it, after you add the water it separates into two layers, shown here:

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The bottom layer (kinda hard to see) is the layer of spores.

So, slurp up some spore goo with a pipette and put 3 or four drops on all the media items I had labeled 'P'. Fairly straightforward. I'm keeping these all in my basement, which stays around 70 degrees F - not the ideal temperature (which is a bit higher at 25C according to the literature), but we likely won't have automatic thermostats and central air in the ZPAW either! As an additional control, I inoculated one of my lab-grade potato dextrose agar plates with the reconstituted spores. If we fail to get growth on the lab grade agar, it might give us a heads up that I did something wrong during the reconstituting process.

Anyway, I'll let these grow for a few days and check back, including pictures of any growth. If we get growth, I can use the 'homemade' penicillin and check for antibacterial properties.

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 Post subject: Re: Making Penicillin (Part 3) - - With (lotsa) visuals!
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Alrighty. My reconstituted (from freeze dried) P. chrysogenum has been incubating for a full week on both lab grade media and PAW grade media, and the results are as follows (drumroll please):

Freeze dried spores on lab grade potato dextrose agar media:
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Seriously, that is some nice growth right there! You can't see it in internet land, but in person there were actually lots of very tiny drops on the surface of the mold that (based on looking at other pictures online and some additional research) are presumeably the liquid that holds the active penicillin antibiotic. Seriously, I may weep...

Spores from lab provided live P. chrysogenum on lab grade PDA:
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Compare to the freeze dried sample. Looks like growth of the freeze dried is comparable.

Freeze dried spores on prepared rice:
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Note no growth on the 'control' plate. My PAW aseptic technique was apparently good in this instance.

Freeze dried spores on prepared rice (closeup):
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The individual colonies were approximately 3/4" (2cm) in radius

Freeze dried spores on homemade bread:
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Note that there is also mold growing on the control bread. I don't know what kind of mold this is, but it makes me think that standard bread is so tasty to mold that it would not be a good media for growing specific molds unless you had damn solid aseptic conditions.

Freeze dried spores on homemade bread (closeup):
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Freeze dried spores on sweet and Idaho potato slices:
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Freeze dried spores no likey! I got zero obvious growth on this media.

Freeze dried spores on unflavored gelatin and unflavored gelatin + honey:
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Far and away the best media. The colonies were present on the unsweetened gelatin, but were indistinct and completely pale. I don't know what that means, if anything, but the gelatin + honey was to P. chrysogenum what a cold beer is to a ZS'er at the end of a hard day of zombie-slaying - - ambrosia!

Freeze dried spores on unflavored gelatin + honey (closeup):
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Individual colonies were approximately 1" (3cm) radius.

The original intent of this project was two-fold: See if lab grade P. chrysogenum could be used by a layman as an antibiotic for oral or topical purposes, and see if said friendly mold could be grown from freeze-dried samples on PAW available media with reduced laboratory hygiene. I think the second question has been answered. The freeze dried spores readily reproduced on 3 of the 4 media I selected, with unflavored Knox gelatin (2 packets) with 1 TSP organic honey added being the clear favorite media. The absence of mold growth on the Knox media control plate also makes me think that the growth on the inoculated plate is, in fact, P. chrysogenum (plus, it looks dead on like the growth on the 'living' plate the lab sent me.).

What about antibiotic properties? I previously made two agar plates, one contaminated with an oral swab, the other with a skin swab. The oral swab failed to yield any but the most minor growth. The skin swab looked pretty good. Photo follows:

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You'll note that the plate is divided via magic marker into 3 sections. I placed a small amount of a commercially available topical antibiotic on one section, a drop of sterile water on another section, and a drop from a mash up of my lab-grown P. chrysogenum and sterile water on another section (the mash up consisted of 5 ml of sterile water and 0.2 grams of P. chrysogenum).

I think the mash up is likely too diluted to do much of anything. I peeled about a 3/4" by 1/2" piece of mold off one of the PDA plates and put it in test tube with 5 ml of sterile water in it. The mold had the consitency of a piece of skin - - I know that's gross, but it's the only comparison I can make. I chopped it up the best I could with my inoculating loop, very briefly flamed the tube to warm the water up, and then shook the tube for about 5 minutes while checking email. I then placed one drop of the resulting slurry on another section of the agar plate.

I'll let this sit overnight and see what, if any, antibiotic principles we see!

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