Body Fat?

by **Wylycoyte** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 2:09 pm

Creaux wrote:Girls are structurally better at carrying weight over long distances due to nature's gift of a 9-month pregnancy.

Plains-dwelling Native Americans would often give women heavier loads when travelling by foot for this reason.

I'm going to use this line when I go backpacking with my girlfriend and load her up with all my gear.

by **Grither** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 2:13 pm

The whole "But I'm a girl" thing doesn't fly to well with me. Women are perfectly capable of carrying their own gear, they just know they can get away with making us stupid Neanderthals carry their stuff.

by **kyle** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 2:26 pm

Grither wrote:The whole "But I'm a girl" thing doesn't fly to well with me. Women are perfectly capable of carrying their own gear, they just know they can get away with making us stupid Neanderthals carry their stuff.

Really? Shit! I'm such a sucker.

Michelle, next time we do another bug out exercise you're carrying all the gear for the portable defense wall. I'll hear no more of that "but all those bricks and bags of cement won't fit in my back pack" stuff.

by **Creaux** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 3:04 pm

kyle wrote:
Grither wrote:The whole "But I'm a girl" thing doesn't fly to well with me. Women are perfectly capable of carrying their own gear, they just know they can get away with making us stupid Neanderthals carry their stuff.

Really? Shit! I'm such a sucker.

Michelle, next time we do another bug out exercise you're carrying all the gear for the portable defense wall. I'll hear no more of that "but all those bricks and bags of cement won't fit in my back pack" stuff.

Man, you've been letting her get away with that? If I were along, I'd have half a mind to bring rebar and I beams!

by **Grither** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 4:14 pm

Michelle, next time we do another bug out exercise you're carrying all the gear for the portable defense wall. I'll hear no more of that "but all those bricks and bags of cement won't fit in my back pack" stuff.

Good for you! The ZombieSquad is blazing a trail to gender equality! :wink:

by **Drakich** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 3:50 pm

Creaux wrote:Girls are structurally better at carrying weight over long distances due to nature's gift of a 9-month pregnancy.

Sorry, this just isn't true.

One of the reasons why women aren't allowed into Special Forces is because they get stress fractures in their hips from carrying large (80lb+) loads for an extended period of time.

by **BloodLust** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 10:20 pm

Drakich wrote:
Creaux wrote:Girls are structurally better at carrying weight over long distances due to nature's gift of a 9-month pregnancy.

Sorry, this just isn't true.

One of the reasons why women aren't allowed into Special Forces is because they get stress fractures in their hips from carrying large (80lb+) loads for an extended period of time.

But even most normal guys wouldn't even dream of carrying 80+lbs for extended periods. You will very rarely see men lug around 80+lbs...

by **Cricket** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 10:52 pm

My backpack I take to school is about 50 pounds worth of gear, and its a pain in the ass.

by **Drakich** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 11:31 pm

BloodLust wrote:
Drakich wrote:
Creaux wrote:Girls are structurally better at carrying weight over long distances due to nature's gift of a 9-month pregnancy.

Sorry, this just isn't true.

One of the reasons why women aren't allowed into Special Forces is because they get stress fractures in their hips from carrying large (80lb+) loads for an extended period of time.

But even most normal guys wouldn't even dream of carrying 80+lbs for extended periods. You will very rarely see men lug around 80+lbs...

No doubt. I sure as heck can't for very long time.

by **ghostface** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 12:40 pm

Drakich wrote:
Creaux wrote:Girls are structurally better at carrying weight over long distances due to nature's gift of a 9-month pregnancy.

Sorry, this just isn't true.

One of the reasons why women aren't allowed into Special Forces is because they get stress fractures in their hips from carrying large (80lb+) loads for an extended period of time.

Tell that to them:

by **Cricket** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 12:56 pm

I'd like to see the x-rays on her hips after a few years of doing that.

by **Coal-Cracker** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 2:00 pm

Cricket wrote:My backpack I take to school is about 50 pounds worth of gear, and its a pain in the ass.

50 lbs! What do you have in there? A midget? ("Who Run BarterTown!?!")

by **Cricket** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 9:56 pm

I have my Anglo-Saxon studies book that is a good 1500 pages, my Advanced Math Concepts book that is another 1200 pages, a folder, a couple of notebooks, a few books I read personally (The third title in the Dark Tower series by Stephen King, Stranger in a Strange Land by Robert Heinlein, The US Army Survival Manual, The 7 myths of Gun control, The US Constitution, Republican Party Reptiles, and the Zombie Survival manual.), a couple of bottles of water, a instant tea packet, a three ring binder, about 200 sheets of College ruled paper, a sketch book for art, and a big container of money (Collecting money for the Young Republicans to send to the Red cross for the tsunami victims.)

Then I also have a roll of duct tape, some glue, and a hat.

by **Daigo** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:27 pm

I have to say that my extra weight has both pros and cons, I live in Minnesota and lets say the short and stocky/'broader frame with a big of extra body fat (I'm slightly over weight 5'7'' with 215 lbs) is extremely good for holding heat during our blasted cold winters, and otherwise I know I'd last longer than some when it comes to length without food beause I have the body fat to live off of. It does carry the bad part of climbing in ability I suck at it overall that is the downfall of the short arms/broad buld. Neanderthal's had it for a reason, the smaller blood circulation courses keeps body heat in better due to the inner heat not being spread out as much (probably a bad description overall but I can't think of exact technical parts of the body structure at the moment. In anycase in warmer areas though I'd be at a disadvantage but a leaner built person would have a easier time for the same reasons I have advantages in the cold weather. Skinner taller = Takes heat easier and keeps the body cooler easier. Stocky/Slightly Over weight by a number of pounds = Food stock in the belly as animals use when food is scarce, and very good insulation overall during a cold winter/weather. So if there are long periods of lack of food they'll both be hungry but the fatter person can go longer without food somewhat until the body burns the extra energy for the fat.

Stockier build people should also be the carriers for any survival group. Stocky women would be best as stated in previous posts but a stocky male does almost as good as a job due to their sturdier structure of bones. I've lugged stuff around on my back that only hunderences are I can't carry the area of the item the weight is no problem usually.

Just my two cents on the subject of ripped/thin person vs chubby shorter person as for survival.

by **Creaux** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 3:45 pm

You know, I'll likely be really screwed by this all. I have a metabolism that doesn't care what I eat, as long as there's a lot of it. I'm a mere 165ish and I've been known to scare the staff at all-you-can-eat restaurants.

And with the special forces bit, I wouldn't be surprised if that had more to do with climbingrunningjumping than just marching.

by **Aine** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 4:21 pm

I'll be lucky for rations.

My stomache is already shrunk from the long summers/seasons of surviving on very little food.
Cept Daigo has fed me majority of the time. Buahahahahah. ANd even then I can't eat much. Well sometimes I feast in order to put up with long days without food.

by **Maj.Exec** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 8:47 pm

I'm gonna sound ignorant when I say this, but why no food? I know, I know, not every body has money for a bitchin' BOB, but for food? God, all the crap I'm gonna get for this one. Just a question from an uninformed person.

Disclaimer

"My object is to not offend anyone, just a question

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by **dark_griever** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 9:08 pm

I can carry an 85 pound kid for about an hour with only one arm. Using my whole body, I can lift and carry about 175 for a while.

I can last a while without food, but I'll be unhappy, cranky, and mostly an asshole. I can last for a while without food but my mind just tries to defend itself by being unlikable and annoying when I go on food withdrawal. I have about 20 extra pounds on me, but I lose and gain weight amazingly fast. I can gain 10 pounds in a day and lose 2 in an hour. Although I'm not diabetic, I lose blood sugar pretty damn fast. I can wake up sometimes after having eaten foods filled with sugar and be dizzy because of lack of sugar, but an apple always gets me back up.

I'd probably last a while carrying weight and not eating if I really had to, but I would rather sit around and eat like a fatass and gain more nice weight that'll save me if I go in freezing weather or without food for a while.

by **Creaux** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:59 am

Well, I certainly agree, but I think comething important needs to be said here-You damn well need food. You might be able to survive a decent period of time without food using your computer, but on the run, doing crazy things, climbingjumpingrunning? That takes a lot of energy. Not having at LEAST a 2 dollar pack of granola bars in your BoB is an incomprehensible flaw.

by **dark_griever** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 5:48 pm

I got washed into the middle of Lake Michigan after not having eaten for two days and was able to find and row my way back to Chicago without eating (Thank god for the compass on my watch...) or resting... Mostly cause I was so panicked I didn't even notice I was tired and hungry, although afterwards I didn't even want to move...

by **ColemanJanuary** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 5:14 pm

during infantry school, the average ruck is 42-55 lbs. i dont know what rangers carry, because i didnt do RIP, but in JFKSWCS, the rucks are around 110-145 lbs. STAR course can be upwards of 50 miles with that load. also, women arent allowed into Army special forces because women are barred from frontline combat positions (infantry). i dont know about navy SEALs or the 160th SOAR. id assume they could get into SOAR. Sayaret Matkal, Sayaret Golani, Sayaret Nichal, Sayaret Nachal, Sayeret Tzanhanim in Israel i *think* allows women. forgiveness if im wrong, please. im not perfect. yet.

by **bgaesop** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 5:28 pm

dark_griever wrote:I got washed into the middle of Lake Michigan after not having eaten for two days and was able to find and row my way back to Chicago without eating (Thank god for the compass on my watch...) or resting... Mostly cause I was so panicked I didn't even notice I was tired and hungry, although afterwards I didn't even want to move...

Yeah, the panic factor can certainly help keep you from realizing you are tired/cold/hungry, but after a while you really do need it. Congratulations on surviving whatever that was!

by **Raven Dog** » Sat Feb 26, 2005 2:29 pm

A little extra weight wouldn't hurt, but someone like me would probably be a burden for a mobile group in the Zombie PAW. I'm on the bad side of 300 pounds, and because of that excess weight, I have various joint related issues. I can't run, either, and I have respritory problems. I am of Swedish descent, extra weight can help an insulation, but it can also suck heat away.

by **Cricket** » Sat Feb 26, 2005 5:28 pm

I'd most definatly work on losing some of that weight before the zombie apocolypse decends upon the world.

You'r name wouldn't happen to be Gabe btw would it?

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