Pocket pistols make my peepee hurt

[Jamie]

I like Crocs, at least partly because they drive other people nuts...another part because they're comfy, and another part because they work for me on dry land, in water, in mud, and weigh nothing in my pack if I'm carrying them...

This relates to this thread only in that sometimes people have good reason for hating something, other times they just wanna...

JMHO, YMMVAIDGAF

Jamie

[Silent Kube]

Maybe it's just because I'm a fat guy, but the jeans I wear have huge pockets. I've pocket carried my s&w 59 on occasion.

[Gun_Nut_2k1]

I have a pair of these shorts/pant things that has spray cans and other graffiti art stitching all over them that I pocket carried a Desert Eagle in once. My hand to God. I was more embarrassed wearing the pant/shorts than I was knowing I had 4 pounds of metal in a pocket.

I like Crocs, at least partly because they drive other people nuts...another part because they're comfy, and another part because they work for me on dry land, in water, in mud, and weigh nothing in my pack if I'm carrying them...

Jamie

Yeah I think I saw you at the Wal Mart once...

[KentsOkay]

I have a pair of these shorts/pant things that has spray cans and other graffiti art stitching all over them that I pocket carried a Desert Eagle in once. My hand to God. I was more embarrassed wearing the pant/shorts than I was knowing I had 4 pounds of metal in a pocket.

I like Crocs, at least partly because they drive other people nuts...another part because they're comfy, and another part because they work for me on dry land, in water, in mud, and weigh nothing in my pack if I'm carrying them...

Jamie

Yeah I think I saw you at the Wal Mart once...

<Sleazy Elvis Voice>
Baby I got four pounds and ten inches of hardened steel in my pocket and it's pointed right at you. How about you come squeeze it's trigger and make it go boom?
</Sleazy Elvis Voice>

[northernxposure]

Less gun chat thread more pocket pistol peepee hurtedness.

Crypto -

Because you made an awesome video STANDING while drawing and firing, any chance you could attempt one seated with the same concept?

Perhaps we could plead you into attempting rear pocket carry (provided it's safe, and you promise not to injure yourself)?

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[lokifz1]

Nice video but that's not a pocket pistol just a pistol carried in a pocket.

I believe it was a glock 26 a compact pistol. a lot more gun to grip and control.

How about a video with a real pocket pistol like lil ruger .380.

[AK47Heaven]

Nice video but that's not a pocket pistol just a pistol carried in a pocket.

I believe it was a glock 26 a compact pistol. a lot more gun to grip and control.

How about a video with a real pocket pistol like lil ruger .380.

Great video, but I agree.I EDC a G26 and it's hardly a pocket pistol.My Kel Tec P32 is a great little pocket pistol, I pocket carried it in basketball shorts all day today and couldn't even tell it was there.Crypto kick ass video but this thread seemed to have strayed from actually talking about the pocket pistols themselves.

[RickOShea]

Nice video but that's not a pocket pistol just a pistol carried in a pocket.

I believe it was a glock 26 a compact pistol. a lot more gun to grip and control.

How about a video with a real pocket pistol like lil ruger .380.

Great video, but I agree.I EDC a G26 and it's hardly a pocket pistol.My Kel Tec P32 is a great little pocket pistol, I pocket carried it in basketball shorts all day today and couldn't even tell it was there.Crypto kick ass video but this thread seemed to have strayed from actually talking about the pocket pistols themselves.

What is a "real" Pocket Pistol ???

150 years ago it was this:



100 years ago it was this:


50 years ago (when most men quit wearing suits and blazers everyday) it was this:


In the last couple of decades (and especially the last ten years), the manufacturers have been making more and more ultra-compact pistols in "duty" calibers.

So the definition of "what a pocket pistol is" is changing, yet again......and for the better, IMHO.

[Viper shtf]

I want a Colt hammerless, logic be dammed.

[RickOShea]

I want a Colt hammerless, logic be dammed.

Yeah, I kinda want a Savage 1907 Pocket pistol, too:

[Viper shtf]

Now I want one of each dammit.

[crypto]

I want a Colt hammerless, logic be dammed.

If you can get the .380 version, do it. They shoot really well. Fun little pistols.

[crypto]

Nice video but that's not a pocket pistol just a pistol carried in a pocket.

I believe it was a glock 26 a compact pistol. a lot more gun to grip and control.

How about a video with a real pocket pistol like lil ruger .380.

Great video, but I agree.I EDC a G26 and it's hardly a pocket pistol.My Kel Tec P32 is a great little pocket pistol, I pocket carried it in basketball shorts all day today and couldn't even tell it was there.Crypto kick ass video but this thread seemed to have strayed from actually talking about the pocket pistols themselves.

It's a pistol that fits in my pocket. Thats a pocket pistol, QED. Somewhere earlier in this thread, (or maybe the thread this was split off from) was a general indictment of pocket carry being an inherent compromise in terms of draw speed and utility. My video was to prove that I can get a pistol out of my non-tactical EDC pants and put hits on target quickly.

I dont like anything smaller than 9mm for defensive use, period. So that leaves me with a G26 right now. Eventually I may switch to a single stack pocket 9mm if I find one I like.

I promise, the split times wouldn't be much slower with a smaller pistol.

[Doctorr Fabulous]

I'd expect that with a smaller pistol, the draw times would be faster, the draws cleaner, and the split times maybe .1-.2 seconds slower, if that. I would expect a slight increase in group size too.

[Silent Kube]

But at the ranges typically involved in a self defense situation, I would imagine the difference in group size would be negligible.

[AK47Heaven]

Nice video but that's not a pocket pistol just a pistol carried in a pocket.

I believe it was a glock 26 a compact pistol. a lot more gun to grip and control.

How about a video with a real pocket pistol like lil ruger .380.

Great video, but I agree.I EDC a G26 and it's hardly a pocket pistol.My Kel Tec P32 is a great little pocket pistol, I pocket carried it in basketball shorts all day today and couldn't even tell it was there.Crypto kick ass video but this thread seemed to have strayed from actually talking about the pocket pistols themselves.

It's a pistol that fits in my pocket. Thats a pocket pistol, QED. Somewhere earlier in this thread, (or maybe the thread this was split off from) was a general indictment of pocket carry being an inherent compromise in terms of draw speed and utility. My video was to prove that I can get a pistol out of my non-tactical EDC pants and put hits on target quickly.

I dont like anything smaller than 9mm for defensive use, period. So that leaves me with a G26 right now. Eventually I may switch to a single stack pocket 9mm if I find one I like.

I promise, the split times wouldn't be much slower with a smaller pistol.

Well, for me, my G26 would never fit into any of the pants that I own.I checked.But if yours fits more power to you because you have a lot more firepower on you than I do when I pocket carry my P32 thats for damn sure, I use the Glock as a primary in a IWB holster not a backup or pocket gun.I too don't like being below 9mm for SD but the only times I carry my .32 is when I otherwise would be unarmed.Again, great video.

Nice video but that's not a pocket pistol just a pistol carried in a pocket.

I believe it was a glock 26 a compact pistol. a lot more gun to grip and control.

How about a video with a real pocket pistol like lil ruger .380.

Great video, but I agree.I EDC a G26 and it's hardly a pocket pistol.My Kel Tec P32 is a great little pocket pistol, I pocket carried it in basketball shorts all day today and couldn't even tell it was there.Crypto kick ass video but this thread seemed to have strayed from actually talking about the pocket pistols themselves.

What is a "real" Pocket Pistol ???

150 years ago it was this:



100 years ago it was this:


50 years ago (when most men quit wearing suits and blazers everyday) it was this:


In the last couple of decades (and especially the last ten years), the manufacturers have been making more and more ultra-compact pistols in "duty" calibers.

So the definition of "what a pocket pistol is" is changing, yet again......and for the better, IMHO.

That Beretta .25 would make a good pocket pistol today, IMO.A pocket pistol, in my personal definition is a pistol that fits in the majority of peoples casual clothing.Hard to say what defines that really, all I know is I could never pull it off with even a subcompact so IWB for me.

Anyway Rick my LGS has two of those 1907 Savage pistols in its pistol case, want me to have them set one aside for you?They're in .32 ACP I think.

[Viper shtf]

I want a Colt hammerless, logic be dammed.

If you can get the .380 version, do it. They shoot really well. Fun little pistols.

They do? I always heard that .32 is more accurate. And wouldn't the magazine have room for one more round, if it was a .32? Not trying to argue with you, just trying to decide which to buy if I ever get the money.

[invictus]

I vote none of them. All pocket pistols suck. All. At the ranges they are going to be employed is contact distances. At contact distances they are woefully underpowered, generally very difficult to shoot especially when some guy is trying to smash your face and putting your hand in your pocket during an ambush to retrieve it is not going to help your defenses. At all. Why stick one of your hands in a pocket when the attacker already has a knife drawn? That is a quick draw contest you will not win.

Short of that I also vote pepper spray, a real Taser not a stun gun, and a damn good fixed or folding knife if lawful in your AO. All three are proven defenders, require very little skill while in a fight and will not get fouled in a fight.

So you are going to be able to get the pepper spray, a Taser, or a folding knife out of your pocket and use it, but not a pistol held in a pocket holster?

So you are saying that pepper spray or a taser is more effective than a pocket pistol?

[Regular Guy]

So you are going to be able to get the pepper spray, a Taser, or a folding knife out of your pocket and use it, but not a pistol held in a pocket holster?

So you are saying that pepper spray or a taser is more effective than a pocket pistol?

Since I can lawfully have a can of spray in my hand, yes. That's not the point I was making. Someone ambushing you with any weapon will leave you at a disadvantage. Therefore, anything in your pockets is useless. I was promoting empty hand skill to counter the ambush. Gain distance then draw but as for the draw being the first move, sorry, I disagree.

I know a pocket pistol has it's place and it's use however I don't believe anything less than a 9mm is going to help. If you carry a 9 in your pocket, cool, but anything less, IMO, is not going to help. You can disagree.

And yes, I do believe a blinding sweep of some pepper spray or a taser ride is more effective than a caliber short of a 9mm and even gun fire while someone is beating on you and pushing you requires aim and proper alignment to get good hits. ANY idiot can throw your hand to the side once he see you draw a gun foiling your aim. I tried at the range, I had someone push me while I tried to shot a B27 at 5m. Yeah, not so hot. No one is going to stand there and let you shoot them. They're going to do their best to kill you. The world is not a square range. Every instructor stresses good hits, marginal ones are marginal. Very, very few folks can fight through a face full of spray and if they can, they are much less effective. No one has said they didn't notice being sprayed. There is not a single human that can fight the taser ride. No one.

There are hundreds of stories of individuals who have fought through and won the fight after being shot. Some have even stated they didn't noticed being shot. I personally know 3 people that were shot, didn't notice and killed their attacker. Each one has experienced spray, they all said it sucked.

Here's my last word on this matter. Guns are not the be all, end all. If you think you can move, draw and get good hits, there is no need to discuss this with me. I've train for the last 12 years incorporating martial arts with self defense and guns. I'm not a master and I'm not an expert. It's my impression that there are some distinct things you must be able to do in a self defense situation. If you think you can do this while under stress with an underpowered pistol freeing it from your pocket while moving, cool, I don't really care. I'm going to work my self defense and the tools I carry. I know what I can do, I know the effects of my tools, I have a black belt in martial arts, I train weekly and I am often asked to be an instructor. Fuckall that means, I don't know.

[MacAttack]

I use an HK4 for my ccw. Doesn't quite fit in my pockets but it holsters nice.
I ware blue jeans mostly.

But it groups nice and functions perfectly.


It works fine in a coat pocket but not so much in pants pocket.
A heavy gun tends to ruin the way a good pair of dress pants hang. And I tend to just look a bit odd around here in camo.


How would you CCW in a kilt? I can't see a sporn being all that fast of a draw.

[shiddymunkie]

Not only do I find the pocket pistol useful, I'd say it's almost as important as a primary pistol -- but for different reasons. Now, before your blood pressure goes up, please allow me to explain. Just keep in mind that, to really understand where I am coming from, it might take an uncomfortable amount of honesty on your part as the listener. If you're not able or willing to do this, there really is no point in reading any further than this sentence.

Let me begin by saying that I know myself very well. I know (and accept) that my preferred lifestyle is not compatible with me carrying a holstered pistol all the time. In fact, I'll even go as far as to say that I am not going to have one the majority of the time. It's not that I have anything against guns or self defense, it's just that I know that I am not going to do it. For starters, I'd rather not attract "that type" of attention. Having a visible firearm is not always socially appropriate, nor is it always the best way to avoid problems and keep yourself safe. Secondly, I don't want to have to wear baggy/extra clothing to conceal a larger pistol, nor do I want to deal with some uncomfortable hidden holster-thing all the time. I have too much fashion sense and appreciation for comfort to allow my wardrobe to revolve around how to best conceal guns.

With all that being said, this doesn't mean I want to be unarmed all the time either. I'd like to have something for the occasions that I otherwise would not carry my G19 on my body. The G19 can still come with me in the car, backpacks, jackets, etc...but even then, it may not always be within reach when you only have a moment or so to react. My P32, on the other hand, can go just about anywhere, which means it can be "ready" just about anywhere. The extra power / capacity / control of the G19 is worthless if I don't have it on me, and odds are if I ever needed a gun outside of home defense, I wouldn't have the G19. It would either be the P32 or nothing.

I choose the P32 over "nothing" for obvious reasons.

[Gun_Nut_2k1]

I like the pf9 holster. Any way you could do something like that for a p-11?

Of course. PM if you are interested int he details.

Gun nut, I'm totally stealing your designs to make myself.

As long as I get a small "per use" fee I am good.

Would that be per draw from said holster, or per holster?

Oh it is a one time per build fee.

[Doctorr Fabulous]

Fingerfucked an XD Slim and a Kahr CW45 today. The XD was just too fuckign small, in the most literal sense of each of those words. I mean this things was just miniscule, and I was fighting to keep 3 fingers on the grip.

The Kahr, on the other hand, made me want to say goodbye to any dream of owning a G30 and go with the Kahr for sneaky-sneaky carry.

FWIW, a proper pocket-holster made the Kahr less-fumbly to draw than an IWB Glock with a jacket over it, FOR ME AND ME ONLY. I may leave this state with a new favorite carry gun.

I stand corrected.

[northernxposure]

Masterpiece Arms has a new one looks like -



Blowback all metal 380ACP that's in the same size as a Seecamp for less money. Don't have the link to the chart from Mousegun's handy, but holy moly is that thing tiny for a 380ACP.

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