why cant an ar have a folding stock?

[Blacksmith]

Could too. Even with a "normal" pattern AR. But would you really want to? Just put a hinge on that puppy.

That looks like some sort of terrible strap-on rifle dildo, yo. You should be ashamed for posting it.

It is an allegory for California....

[Jeriah]

The first time I saw an AR that could have had a folding stock, although it didn't, was an AR pistol I saw at a gun show in San Diego circa 1998. Olympic Arms OA-93. It has the operating rod and return spring in a tube above the barrel.



http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Olympic_Arms_OA-93

As soon as I saw it, I thought, "Woo hoo, now I could make an AR with a folding stock!" And then kind of got over folding stocks, because fixed stocks are generally lighter, stronger, and more comfortable. But anyway, if you wanted to, you could take an OA-93 and add the folding stock from the Oly carbine, and there you go. (Don't blame me if it sucks, though.)

http://www.quarterbore.com/ar15m16/oa93.htm

[PistolPete]

Originally, the ZM Weapons LR300 (circa 2001), and then Para Ord started selling them back in '08 or '09. But I don't know that Para actually builds them, more likely they just buy them from YHM.

IIRC, Yankee Hill helped Al Zitta design/build the forend for the D.I.G.S. system that it uses.

BTW, Para stopped making those a few months back so if you want one get 'em now before the distributors are all sold out. And maybe get some spare parts for your "unique" rifle in case something breaks.
That said, CDNN has blow-out prices on them now if anyone wants one. Neat idea but I'm loathe to end up with something for serious use I can't get spare parts for in a few years.

[Jeriah]

But anyway, if you wanted to, you could take an OA-93 and add the folding stock from the Oly carbine, and there you go. (Don't blame me if it sucks, though.)

http://www.quarterbore.com/ar15m16/oa93.htm

BTW when I wrote that, I was assuming you wanted a legally-registered SBR with a folding stock, so it could be the most compact package possible. If you wanted a 16" AR with a folding stock, Olympic makes (or made) a carbine version as well. My third-hand impression based on nothing but Internet shit talk is that Oly's quality is bottom-tier, but I have no personal experience.

[Vicarious_Lee]

Originally, the ZM Weapons LR300 (circa 2001), and then Para Ord started selling them back in '08 or '09. But I don't know that Para actually builds them, more likely they just buy them from YHM.

IIRC, Yankee Hill helped Al Zitta design/build the forend for the D.I.G.S. system that it uses.

BTW, Para stopped making those a few months back so if you want one get 'em now before the distributors are all sold out. And maybe get some spare parts for your "unique" rifle in case something breaks.
That said, CDNN has blow-out prices on them now if anyone wants one. Neat idea but I'm loathe to end up with something for serious use I can't get spare parts for in a few years.

I didn't see them on CDNNs website. I've always wanted one from back when I used to like piston ARs because regular ones shit where they eat, even though it's not really a piston AR. I was just into complete screwball AR configuations before I knew anything, becase that's all any gun magazine will test and review.

A quick Google shopping search still shows them at right around 2 grand, which is as much as an FN SCAR, which now very clearly explains why they're not being made anymore.

[RickOShea]

I didn't see them on CDNNs website. I've always wanted one from back when I used to like piston ARs because regular ones shit where they eat, even though it's not really a piston AR. I was just into complete screwball AR configuations before I knew anything, becase that's all any gun magazine will test and review.

A quick Google shopping search still shows them at right around 2 grand, which is as much as an FN SCAR, which now very clearly explains why they're not being made anymore.

CDNN is probably out of them. I believe their $1399.00 "specials" were just left-over stock that Para was just trying to get rid of.

Supposedly, Para Ord gave the "rights" back to Al Zitta, and Z-M Weapons is going to keep producing them (but probably at the $2K price).

[Jeriah]

Just so we're clear, these are the ones where the barrel is held in place with a set screw and randomly falls out, right? Or is that unsubstantiated Internet rumor?

[Lucas_061287]

^I believe you're referring to the XCR (which I can only assume actually stands for eXtremely Craptastic Rifle).

[Jeriah]

^I believe you're referring to the XCR (which I can only assume actually stands for eXtremely Craptastic Rifle).

You're right, I was thinking of the XCR, not the Para. Thanks!

[PistolPete]

In the last CDNN catalog they had 'em listed for $1399, I just took a look, but it's possible they blew through them all. Even at that discounted price you're in Noveske range.