The All Purpose AK Thread

[Polley]

Dual wield an SGL and an SLR: problem solved?

[AKFTW]

SLR=/=SGL. Bulgarian pattern vs Russian pattern, AK-47/AKM based vs AK-74 based. Different rear trunnions, gas pistons, etc. Both are good, but definitely not the same.

In regards to the plate, the Russians thought it was important enough to include on all their folders, why go half-ass?

So, the SLRs would be able to share parts with pretty much every other 7.62 AK on the market whereas the SGLs use internal parts that are vastly similar to (if not the same as) the AK-74?

Not sure, but certainly greater parts compatibility than with the SGLs. My beef with them is they use an AKS-74 style trunnion instead of AK-74M, so their solid side folder is at a weird angle compared to the SGL-21.94, which is correct.

[Polley]

SLR=/=SGL. Bulgarian pattern vs Russian pattern, AK-47/AKM based vs AK-74 based. Different rear trunnions, gas pistons, etc. Both are good, but definitely not the same.

In regards to the plate, the Russians thought it was important enough to include on all their folders, why go half-ass?

So, the SLRs would be able to share parts with pretty much every other 7.62 AK on the market whereas the SGLs use internal parts that are vastly similar to (if not the same as) the AK-74?

Not sure, but certainly greater parts compatibility than with the SGLs. My beef with them is they use an AKS-74 style trunnion instead of AK-74M, so their solid side folder is at a weird angle compared to the SGL-21.94, which is correct.

Yeah, I knew the SLRs had a different hinge/stock dimensions than the SGL's. Kind of why I'm hoping my SGL stock never breaks (doubt it will short of a direct gunshot).

[Bearcat]

I guess I need to hurry up and get all the Saigas that I plan to convert before they become vaporware?

Most definitely. The only regret I have is not purchasing another SGL21 with the money I used on my current SGL's accessories. Those accessories will be around for quite a while still: the SGL I wanted to get for the girliefriend? Unfortunately, no one knows for sure.


EDIT TO ADD FOR BEARCAT: I figured the Russians put it on for good reason. It may just me buying into it, but at $15.00 tops for a reinforcement plate (including shipping), I figure it's worth doing regardless. Peace of mind without taking a giant piece of my wallet's money-entrails.

Well the point I'm getting at is if it is deemed a worthwhile feature, if all it is is a steel plate with some screw holes, we could make that ourselves.

[Polley]

I guess I need to hurry up and get all the Saigas that I plan to convert before they become vaporware?

Most definitely. The only regret I have is not purchasing another SGL21 with the money I used on my current SGL's accessories. Those accessories will be around for quite a while still: the SGL I wanted to get for the girliefriend? Unfortunately, no one knows for sure.


EDIT TO ADD FOR BEARCAT: I figured the Russians put it on for good reason. It may just me buying into it, but at $15.00 tops for a reinforcement plate (including shipping), I figure it's worth doing regardless. Peace of mind without taking a giant piece of my wallet's money-entrails.

Well the point I'm getting at is if it is deemed a worthwhile feature, if all it is is a steel plate with some screw holes, we could make that ourselves.

Well, it looks like a steel plate to me that's shaped to match the top of the PG. It's welded on, though.

[Bearcat]

I guess I need to hurry up and get all the Saigas that I plan to convert before they become vaporware?

Most definitely. The only regret I have is not purchasing another SGL21 with the money I used on my current SGL's accessories. Those accessories will be around for quite a while still: the SGL I wanted to get for the girliefriend? Unfortunately, no one knows for sure.


EDIT TO ADD FOR BEARCAT: I figured the Russians put it on for good reason. It may just me buying into it, but at $15.00 tops for a reinforcement plate (including shipping), I figure it's worth doing regardless. Peace of mind without taking a giant piece of my wallet's money-entrails.

Well the point I'm getting at is if it is deemed a worthwhile feature, if all it is is a steel plate with some screw holes, we could make that ourselves.

Well, it looks like a steel plate to me that's shaped to match the top of the PG. It's welded on, though.

After a quick search, http://www.bing.com/search?q=ak+pistol+ ... -SearchBox it seems like these are mean't for folding stocks where mine is a solid stock. I don't think I need one then, correct? Also, some have rivet holes which aren't a big deal. I'm fairly confident I could make one, just not as pretty.

[Polley]

Well the point I'm getting at is if it is deemed a worthwhile feature, if all it is is a steel plate with some screw holes, we could make that ourselves.

Well, it looks like a steel plate to me that's shaped to match the top of the PG. It's welded on, though.

After a quick search, http://www.bing.com/search?q=ak+pistol+ ... -SearchBox it seems like these are mean't for folding stocks where mine is a solid stock. I don't think I need one then, correct? Also, some have rivet holes which aren't a big deal. I'm fairly confident I could make one, just not as pretty.

I believe a fixed stock would make a vertical drop onto the pistol grip impossibru. Since mine has a folding stock, though, I've been looking into it. I figure getting one would do two things: possible "insurance" in the event I need it some day and the fact having it would make my rifle "correct" since AK-103s have one.

[Bearcat]

Well the point I'm getting at is if it is deemed a worthwhile feature, if all it is is a steel plate with some screw holes, we could make that ourselves.

Well, it looks like a steel plate to me that's shaped to match the top of the PG. It's welded on, though.

After a quick search, http://www.bing.com/search?q=ak+pistol+ ... -SearchBox it seems like these are mean't for folding stocks where mine is a solid stock. I don't think I need one then, correct? Also, some have rivet holes which aren't a big deal. I'm fairly confident I could make one, just not as pretty.

I believe a fixed stock would make a vertical drop onto the pistol grip impossibru. Since mine has a folding stock, though, I've been looking into it. I figure getting one would do two things: possible "insurance" in the event I need it some day and the fact having it would make my rifle "correct" since AK-103s have one.

I gotcha, I thought this was a standard on ALL AK variants. Party on.

[Polley]

I believe a fixed stock would make a vertical drop onto the pistol grip impossibru. Since mine has a folding stock, though, I've been looking into it. I figure getting one would do two things: possible "insurance" in the event I need it some day and the fact having it would make my rifle "correct" since AK-103s have one.

I gotcha, I thought this was a standard on ALL AK variants. Party on.

Nope. Just one of those folded stock things. Since Arsenal had to relocate the trigger and stuff for my SGL during the conversion, I think they just skipped on the plate because most of their rifles are fixed-stock anyway.

[AKFTW]

I believe a fixed stock would make a vertical drop onto the pistol grip impossibru. Since mine has a folding stock, though, I've been looking into it. I figure getting one would do two things: possible "insurance" in the event I need it some day and the fact having it would make my rifle "correct" since AK-103s have one.

I gotcha, I thought this was a standard on ALL AK variants. Party on.

Nope. Just one of those folded stock things. Since Arsenal had to relocate the trigger and stuff for my SGL during the conversion, I think they just skipped on the plate because most of their rifles are fixed-stock anyway.

Yep, folder only. The SGL-21.94 actually needs it more than a military AK-74M does because Arsenal uses the Saiga folder trunnion meant for Russian civilian folding AKs, the shorter (102-104-105) variants of which have a mechanism inside that prevents firing when folded to make their civilian firearm length requirements. Obviously this is not installed on the US variants (though they TECHNICALLY COULD made the short AKs US legal that way), but the holes for it are still there. To top it off, the sporter Saiga FCG cutout is there too, so the rear of a SGL folder is extra "weak", if you will. PG Plate is definitely advised, a pity Arsenal left them off because they are cheap assholes.

[Kutter_0311]

To top it off, the sporter Saiga FCG cutout is there too, so the rear of a SGL folder is extra "weak", if you will. PG Plate is definitely advised, a pity Arsenal left them off because they are cheap assholes.

Well, every business is in business to make a few bucks Even Izmash, since that communism thing worked so well...

[Polley]

So, I went to the gun show yesterday and, among many other things, one of the things I did was stop at a table that had some AK magazines on it. There were three Chinese smoothbacks rubber-banded together with a price tag of "$25.00" on them. I did the math in my head (eventually because, for some reason, my brain had the walking farts), and thought, "Seems legit: slightly less than AIM's European magazines."

So I said to the guy, "Mind if I look these over?"
"Sure, those are some ChiCom magazines. They're really good. You won't have any problems with them; they're the best." etc.
Meanwhile, inside my head, I think: "Aren't they pretty much the most common AK magazine that differs from other surplus only by being smoothbacked?"

Anyway, I start pushing the followers down with my finger to test the springs and see if there's any burrs inside the magazine body, etc. Then he looks over and says, "If you have any problems with it, you can order spare parts from [website I forget]."
"Alright," I said. "Why would you even hint your magazines might have a problem, and if they do, why are you boasting them?" my brain said.

I decided that since one only had a slightly stiff spring (the others were about normal), I'd drop the cash for them. I pulled my wallet out and said, "Yeah, I'll go ahead and buy all three of these for $25.00."
"No, they're $25.00 per mag."
"Good luck with that," I said as I put my wallet back in my pocket and left.

[We'reWolf]

25$ per mag? you should have just laughed in his face

[Polley]

25$ per mag? you should have just laughed in his face

Well, as soon as he said that, my girlfriend just got this "WTF?" look on her face and after I wished him the best, I couldn't help but laugh as I walked off.

[hatchtrikk]

25 per mag?

Them muthafuckas is crazy

[Kutter_0311]

"Yeah, I'll go ahead and buy all three of these for $25.00."
"No, they're $25.00 per mag."
"Good luck with that, " I said as I put my wallet back in my pocket and left.

FTFY...

Man I thought that retarded gunshow shit was local to WI...

[Kommander]

I decided that since one only had a slightly stiff spring (the others were about normal), I'd drop the cash for them. I pulled my wallet out and said, "Yeah, I'll go ahead and buy all three of these for $25.00."
"No, they're $25.00 per mag."
"Good luck with that," I said as I put my wallet back in my pocket and left.

That's pretty much standard gun show pricing at this point. I have not been to one in quite some time because of it.

[Regular Guy]

Yeah, the people that sell at gun shows now act like there is still an ban. I don't even waste my money on admission anymore.

[vyadmirer]

Yeah, the people that sell at gun shows now act like there is still an ban. I don't even waste my money on admission anymore.

They act like there is still a ban and THAT THERE IS NO INTERNET.

[king_of_hearts]

They act like there is still a ban and THAT THERE IS NO INTERNET.

No kidding. I hate when vendors put items way above MSRP at gun shows... I always have a good laugh when I look up products on the spot, and show them they are lying about their MSRP pricing.

I wont be visiting any gun shows for the foreseeable future.

[Polley]

AKFTW mailed me a plum Russian stock set to put on my girliefriend's AK: it can be seen on the left. IF YOU READ THIS, I LOVE YOU SO HARD. Thanks again for that: purple's her favourite colour, so the purple sealant on the Golden Tiger ammunition plus this stock set should give her rifle a bit more "personality reflection."


Oh, and this used to be where I kept my German stuff. Then I realised I have tons more Soviet/Communist items, so I replaced my things with a 5.45 crate, North Korean (repro. that I bought in France, not on NK's website) flag, WASR, Type-56, Bulgarian Mak., Russian M91/30 mag pouches, etc., etc., etc.



EDIT TO ADD: Oh, and the SKS sling was quite the deal. I used the one that came with the WASR and I always wondered, Why again didn't I ever use this sling? Turns out, the Century Monkeys never included the little clip for the front attachment loop on the AK.

So, I made my own by using the pin from an inert Mk II grenade. My SKS sling is now flaunting the badassery pretty well: how many of you have a sling attached to your rifles via grenade pins?!

[RickOShea]

I don't get all the "National Socialism/Communist love".....to each his own I suppose.

[Polley]

I don't get all the "National Socialism/Communist love".....to each his own I suppose.

I don't support either political ideology (stopping myself there). I just find the history and weapons associated with both to be quite interesting.

[stimpy321972]

Yeah, the people that sell at gun shows now act like there is still an ban. I don't even waste my money on admission anymore.

like this : http://www.vaguntrader.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/341528/gonew/1/Spf_WTS_Bosnian_Double_Rib_AK4#UNREAD