Whats a good NBC suit

[dericandice]

Hello I am looking online for a good nuclear, biological and chemical suit. I want one that is current and is not expired. Most of the ones I found online were produced a long time ago. Please Help!

[Cybrludite]

Any mil-surp one will likely be the expired sort. Your best be may be something like this. Be advised that the Tyvek suits will be miserably hot and uncomfortable, even moreso than the military suits.

[Projo]

Dupont Tychem suits are great and aren't as bulky as BDO, CPO, Saratoga/Hammer and JSLIST military suits when it comes to transport/storage. However, Dupont suits will dehydrate you so you will need a chemical resistand hydration system. You can get something as good as CPF3 or something cheaper like the QC.
http://approvedgasmasks.com/chemical-suit.htm



For gas mask look for something that uses 40mm Nato threaded filters. I like the M40/M40A1 because the mask folds in half for easy storage/carry. There are mask like the Navy/USAF MCU-2A/P made by MSA (Mine Safety Appliance) and a civilian version called Millenium. They have a panoramic single lense so they aren't as versitile to carry.

As you can see there is a huge selection of mask.
http://approvedgasmasks.com/mask-gas.htm

[mystic_1]

Keep in mind that the suit itself is only one part of a system. You need some infrastructure to go with it. What happens, for example, when you want to take off your now-contaminated suit?

mystic_1

[Liff]

Keep in mind that the suit itself is only one part of a system. You need some infrastructure to go with it. What happens, for example, when you want to take off your now-contaminated suit?

mystic_1

Brilliant!

[MacAttack]

Buddy ready?
Buddy wiping.

[Doctorr Fabulous]

Buddy ready?
Buddy wiping.

Still requires decon supplies, a clean room, a place to properely dispose of the contaminated materials, and a decon shower before wiping to keep the wiping from sending any dust-bonded agents into the air again.

[Projo]

All good points. Here is a thread I put up on non aqueous decon.
http://www.zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=93556

[Boondock]

Reacting to an NBC attack is a nightmare, even for the most prepared. Too many variables.

For example, one must consider:

Will I already be infected/contaminated by the time I even know there's a contagion risk?

And if so, will I get into my MOPP gear in time?

What about my friends and loved ones?

The above mentioned decon issues?

Will the infection/contagion risk still be present even after the suit or mask filter expires, and are more available?

The list of headaches is extensive.

In the late-80s and mid-90s, when the military had plans to fight the Soviets, we were bluntly told NBC gear had one purpose: Keep the grunts alive long enough to reach and clear the objective, long-term survival was irrelevant.

Not saying anyone should abandon plans to incorporate NBC gear into their preps, but doing so requires a lot of thought.

[raptor]

Honestly the last thing you should be worried about is where to get the best "NBC"/bio hazard suit.



Now before you shout "WWWHHHAAAATTT??!!!" please listen.

In an NBC emergency situation the right gear is only half of the equation. You need appropriate training and proper fitting gear. You need to learn about how to deal with specific risks, the limitations of your gear and most important how to put on your gear and makes sure it is working properly.

You can have the best gear but if it does not fit well, is not used correctly or is not maintained properly you may as well have nothing.

Popular perception is that you just put on a gas mask for instance and viola you are safe from anything...wrong. Even if it is fitting properly if you walk into a low oxygen area without supplimental breathing air you will be toast quickly.

Please before you invest in gear like this sign up for training. Local trade schools and community college frequently have training courses. Get the training first. Then you will know what to look for in the proper gear.

My $.02

[Projo]

You need appropriate training

Pure truth. Some chemicals don't even require decon, like cyanogen chloride (CK). Some chemicals will only pose a vapor hazard meaning you only need a mask. Knowledge is power.

[Projo]

Here are some pubs for you if you are interested.

Into to CBRNE Defense.
http://approvedgasmasks.com/msa-cbrnprimer.pdf

Currnet U.S. Military Chemical Defense Equipment
http://www.bordeninstitute.army.mil/published_volumes/chemwarfare/Ch17_pg559-592.pdf

M40A1 Gas Mask Tech Manual.
http://www.approvedgasmasks.com/3M40maskmanual.pdf

Joint Operations 3-11
http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/new_pubs/jp3_11.pdf

[Braticus Caticus]

Does this help?
http://www.shopnbc.com/SearchM/Default.aspx?&prop=Apparel%20%26%20Accessories|277&prop=Blazers%20%26%20Jackets|289&cm_re=DN-_-Apparel-_-Blazers



I'm sorry.

[rjm]

It's basically been said before, but for the sake of redundancy, I'll restate it; NBC equipment is highly overrated for civilian use.
Lets assume a nuke or similar nasty cosmetic chemical bomb goes off in your area:
Chances are you're going to be walking out. Assuming you and your loved ones survive the blast/release, fires and immediate chaos, you'll need to hike out X number of miles upwind carrying whatever you and your family needs. The simple act of wearing a rubber suit while exerting yourself, along with dehydration for an extended time will kill most people.

Now, if you're only concerned with more mundane chemical threats like CS my suggestion(and I don't mean this to be snarky), is to avoid large, unruly crowds that require law enforcers to use tear gas. If you are fearful of bad guys using it then I'd parrot suggestions of getting a quality, new, mask from someone like approvedgasmasks, but I'd avoid getting anything surplus for anything other than a conversation piece.

[Projo]

Check this out. I apologize for the inital advertisement. It's a story on the growing number of chemical suicides.
http://bcove.me/2umd7opi

[dericandice]

Thank you all for a response. I am new to this forum and trying to learn how to use it more comfortably. I am looking for a good suit that can protect against radiation as well, that is my main concern. I live close to a power plant and am afraid something can happen here in CA like what happened in japan. I think that taking a course or training would benefit me. I am trying to learn all that I can about the subject. I also plan on getting a decontaminating station as well

[mystic_1]

I think you're starting in the wrong place.

What you should do is to look more into the question of "what risks will I face in a nuclear reactor accident" and then consider what you will need to do in order to counter those risks. This will dictate what equipment you need.

Instead, you seem to be starting from the premise that you need an NBC suit and decontamination station.

There's a good chance that you don't.

Start by looking into what emergency-response information your local power company offers, they usually have something available that talks about "what to do if we blow up".

mystic_1

[raptor]

Thank you all for a response. I am new to this forum and trying to learn how to use it more comfortably. I am looking for a good suit that can protect against radiation as well, that is my main concern. I live close to a power plant and am afraid something can happen here in CA like what happened in japan. I think that taking a course or training would benefit me. I am trying to learn all that I can about the subject. I also plan on getting a decontaminating station as well

There is no suit that is man portable that protects against high levels of radiation. There are good threads on radiation risks here:

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=81472
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=81511

The basic rule for radiation is that 3 things can mitigate radiation danger: Time, distance and shielding.

Time and distance go hand in hand. The more time you run, the farther away you move from radiation and the less time you spend close to it the less exposure.

Shielding may require 6 feet of concrete to reduce the radiation to a level where it is safe.

The typical dental lead apron would not provide much protection and if you made from that material it would weight 30+ lbs.

If you lived near a reactor; your plan in case of an emergency should be to leave ASAP. Distance is your friend.

[SeventhSon]

Being prior military I'm not even considering an NBC suit in my prep plans. I have masks but that's about as far as i will take that route. If something does happen and you suit up the only real option is to get out to the area. As someone else said, walking any distance in a suit is probably going to kill you. If its hot you will overheat. If its cold it's not as bad. Then you have to worry about water and to a lesser extent food. You can't eat in a suit until you decontaminate. Too many variables for a civilian in my humble opinion and I prefer to plan on more "realistic" events like hurricanes, storms, global/country wide economic issues etc. The money you spend on good suits for the family and the training to use them could be spent on food, water preps, ammo, etc. Just my $0.02.