Doomsday Preppers (2nd) 02/07/2012 Nat Geo

[catalyst]

MVegas, if it isn't too personal -
May I ask why your wife considers them to be disasters?

We have several drum circles every month.
Even our two year old grandson participates in the 'disasters'. It's a way to connect with a part of our heritage.
I don't see how they would bother any one.

Certainly they are quieter than that blasting music from those cars we get now and then.

Sorry, but I also find the drum circles a bit "odd". Just like non-preppers find prepppers odd. It is what it is. Please note - I didn't say bad, I said odd - indicating its merely odd to me, because its not something I participate in.

If you take part in non-standard activities, you need a tougher skin so as to not take insult when people question the activity. I'm sorry if that comes across as overly harsh, as it wasn't meant to be so.

Allow me to elaborate:
If I attend an Open Carry rally, I can't get all bent out of shape simply because some people don't support firearms rights. Its my duty to offer education to that person, so instead of mocking me, they can make an informed decision on the topic. If someone is educated and can give me an educated reply as to why they don't care for something I do, or did, I can 100% respect that. At least they had the respect to grace me with a thoughtful conversation.

[ZombieGranny]

Editing my post as it was a bit snappish.
Be back on St. Patrick's Day
signed :
a redneck married to a hippie.

[ineffableone]

FYI, drum circle sound travels really far and penetrates through thick objects. There is a reason people used drums as "war drums", because it can reach your enemy at a distance. A stereo or other music doesn't travel as far or penetrate as well. Drums have that deep resonating bass that just keeps going.

As for this last episode, it looks like they were going for see the crazy preppers with this episode. Or at least feeding off the typical sterotypes.

The spider hole guy is the typical Rambo gi-Joe character people think of if you say survivalist instead of prepper. Also his little army of youngsters, um can't you find adults to work with?

The dream lady was freaking out over recurring dreams and was prepping to hide in her basement. (I have to say though her husband, smart man collecting knowledge. The mask making was not to use them now, but to know how to make his own. I also have to say their daughter seemed pretty cool and accepting of things, though more in "OK Mommy is crazy we will just humor her" kind of way)

The hippies I have seen their place often in researching bunkers. It is a well known famous place and all over the internet. I think they actually run a silo finding web site themselves. But showing their friends and the drum circle, is just feeding the weird cult idea most will get from that group.

Over all I like the show for the range of people they show, though this episode I think they loaded up on the wackier of people. I also noticed the dream lady is in Canada, are they running out of people in the USA to do the show? I also noticed though she is in Canada during her segment they kept talking about America. LOL

*btw, I am not condemning any of these folks from this episode but just pointing out how they might be viewed by the masses. I actually sort of liked each of the 3 for their own uniqueness.

[catalyst]

It did not sound as though the activity was looked down upon, but was the fact that 'those people' were in the area.
As the two involved have had and finished our conversation, I see no need to continue it with someone else.
Thank you,
signed :
a redneck married to a hippie.

I was under the impression you were open to thoughtful conversation. You have an opportunity to grace us with some information behind the drum circles, so those of us for which the activity falls outside the realm of normal, aren't watching the episode, thinking they portrayed the "hippies" in a negative light as a bit "out there".

If I've offended, I'm sorry - I'll let the issue die.


So... I had a question regarding the rating they gave the ex SF guy who ran the "ranger school". Why would they rate him poorly on the waste management of his spider hole? That is like rating military guys poorly for not having an outhouse inside a fox hole. I really took it at the SF guy had the spiderhole as really a last ditch effort - as in - it was not a place he'd ever really desire to stay, but was there as a backup. As such, why wouldn't they evaluate the waste management of his primary shelter, instead of the temporary hole in the ground where he'd really probably struggle to relive himself inside of anyhow. I generally try not to poop or pee while laying down. lol.

[Towanda]

I figured the "disaster" at the drum circle was the performance itself. Some of them are good, with a nice vibe. Others make me think that the only way to enjoy the performance would be to get blackout drunk so it sounds better.

The first rule of Drum Circle is: friends don't let friends drum drunk.

Stay away from any drum circle that does not have this rule.


Sent from my phone via messenger owl.

[ineffableone]

A video of Doomsday Preppers getting more prepping convo going in media.

Tim Ralston (DOOMSDAY PREPPER) on Access Hollywood


This along with some of the other stuff I have seen about preppers from the show getting on TV to talk about prepping makes me like this show more. It really seems the show is helping add to the public dialogue of prepping, and to dispel some of the scary survivalist concept people have of preppers.

While Tim is not my favorite of the people who have done the Doomsday Preppers show, that he did this mainstream show Access Hollywood and got a pretty good reception, it seems, is nice. He didn't even go over board promoting his Crovel.

I think this is one of the biggest benefits of the show, it is putting this topic into the mainstream without as much of the old negatives of "survivalists". People are looking into and getting interested in prepping and more people are getting exposed to the concept. Really Access Hollywood is a pretty superficial show, but for them to feature a prepper, sort of cool reaching a very different audience.

[Odinsown]

Hey Everyone:

Megan Hurwitt, that lady from Houston; is a hottie. A hot hottie. If she was my GF we would prep all day and party all night. I would take her out to fine resturants, movies, drinking and dancing. I would worship her like the goddess that she is.

In one word; MEOW!

Odinsown

[SeerSavant]

you know, the hippies living in the silo.... of all the preppers or so called preppers on the show, this couple was the one that i most enjoyed watching so far...

It seems weird looking in from the outside, but in reality, they are simply more expressive in their nature than other people... Good folks...


Just remember that not all hippies are love and peace and nonviolent to the point of death, just like not all survivalists are camo wearing hiding in the forests wearing tin foil hats and watching for black helicopters...


This couple... i kinda admire their lack of self imposed filters...


call it the part of my brain that doesn't fully connect with the "normal" world, but these folks seem to be just my kind of weird...


And peace loving doesn't mean weak or unwilling to fight back...



Whole lot less strange than the seed hoarder.... that guy was kinda creepy in just the wrongest way...


EDITED TO ADD; don't forget that two days of footage edited into fifteen minutes of air time... It's not hard to make even the most normal people look batshit crazy... Anyone ever followed me around and videoed me, talking about this and that would have some scary footage indeed....

[ineffableone]

you know, the hippies living in the silo.... of all the preppers or so called preppers on the show, this couple was the one that i most enjoyed watching so far...

It seems weird looking in from the outside, but in reality, they are simply more expressive in their nature than other people... Good folks...


Just remember that not all hippies are love and peace and nonviolent to the point of death, just like not all survivalists are camo wearing hiding in the forests wearing tin foil hats and watching for black helicopters...


This couple... i kinda admire their lack of self imposed filters...


call it the part of my brain that doesn't fully connect with the "normal" world, but these folks seem to be just my kind of weird...


And peace loving doesn't mean weak or unwilling to fight back...



Whole lot less strange than the seed hoarder.... that guy was kinda creepy in just the wrongest way...


EDITED TO ADD; don't forget that two days of footage edited into fifteen minutes of air time... It's not hard to make even the most normal people look batshit crazy... Anyone ever followed me around and videoed me, talking about this and that would have some scary footage indeed....

The majority of hippies I know have guns and love to shoot. They are good redneck hippies not the city dwelling ones. A few of my hippie friends were out shooting at the rock quarry once and a truck full of rednecks pulled up to go shoot too. After a tense few minutes they started talking. The rednecks were very impressed with the hippies guns noticing the hippes had better guns than they did. The rednecks also noticed the hippies had better beer.

I even have a friend who while being a pacifist and would never harm another person owns an SKS and loves to shoot. The guy loves paint ball too, and actually kicked the asses of a bunch of real Army guys on the paint ball course once. In a real conflict though he would run and hide or let himself be killed, go figure.

[HuntingBow96]

Off topic, But i'd love to see an episode of this filmed in the uk .

[ineffableone]

Hey folks I just started a thread http://zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=92269 about a new web series coming up soon made by preppers for preppers.

It is something that started it seems in response to shows like Doomsday Preppers. So if you want to see a show that doesn't try to paint preppers into a crazy corner, check it out.

http://realdaypreppers.com/

[JustInCase]

Hey folks I just started a thread http://zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=92269 about a new web series coming up soon made by preppers for preppers.

It is something that started it seems in response to shows like Doomsday Preppers. So if you want to see a show that doesn't try to paint preppers into a crazy corner, check it out.

http://realdaypreppers.com/Home_Page.html

linky no worky for me.

[ineffableone]

Hey folks I just started a thread http://zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=92269 about a new web series coming up soon made by preppers for preppers.

It is something that started it seems in response to shows like Doomsday Preppers. So if you want to see a show that doesn't try to paint preppers into a crazy corner, check it out.

http://realdaypreppers.com/Home_Page.html

linky no worky for me.

Weird, ok this one should workhttp://realdaypreppers.com/

[paladinm1911]

I dont have NATGEO channel at home but was on vacation, the hotel had cable, and saw the episode with the Ex-SF guy, hippies, and dream lady. I was trying to figure out how ex-SF guy got a SBRed Sig Rifle in California, his bunker is in northern California, but then I saw his junior rangers spray painting up airsoft guns. Which explained when he was live firing it was with a semi shotgun.

Dave

[OTTB]

The part I find really weird about this whole series is the bulk of these people are in small groups or by themselves. I get that keeping a small footprint is a smart idea but it seems like some of these folks are like "My neighbors? Fuck 'em" The guy last night with the bunker in ontario was a little creepy "Must save the children." Never mind that when you let them out youll have a whole group of people that don't know how to do shit. Unless they have manuals out the wazoo or the people running the thing have skills they didnt mention like farming or how to take herbs and plants to make medicine etc:

[SeerSavant]

The part I find really weird about this whole series is the bulk of these people are in small groups or by themselves.

If I recall, one of the earliest episodes was of the couple living with all the busses and the home made up of shipping containers, they had out several different families, and I got the impression that they were part of a larger group that was helping pay and use the shipping container home as a staging point for the entire group, the main family lived there, partly as caretakers in a way...
Other than the "testing" of their homes with .22s Which i'm sure they were put up to do, the whole layout and design of the place, plus having a back up place that never got on camera, wasn't all that bad... It sorta looked like the Mesa group that lives off the grid, but with serious thought to the layout and design of the food storage and alternate sources of energy.
Also, the guy who's entire yard next to the interstate was a garden with ducks and sheep, mentioned that he traded with several people, was invested in a co op, with other like minded people...
he didn't seem so much prepping for "doomsday" but rather living a prepper lifestyle in the here and now, up to and including making his own biodiesel...

A lot isn't said in the show, but I'd opine that a great many involved simply refuse to show themselves on camera, and the rigid editing of the show also casts a bit of a batshit crazy slant on them...
But I think some of them are actually a lot smarter and common sense laden than the show let on...

But yeah, a lot where loons....
But that's okay, it's entertainment value added.

[AeroRat]

I thought the buried schoolbuses were an interesting idea - if properly kept, cleaned, and sealed against the elements. But the execution? Tetanus city, man.

Also, some pretty severe creep-factor when the old dude started the "We'll take your kids, but you're on your own" bit.

[ineffableone]

Hey folks the Real Day Preppers show has 2 episodes now. My thread about the show http://zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=92269

Real Day Preppers websie
http://realdaypreppers.com/Home_Page.html

The second episode can be seen on the website or watch it here


While the show doesn't have the high production of Nat Geo's Doomsday preppers, it also doesn't have the spin and drama that Nat Geo puts on the preppers.

I suggest people who complained about Doomsday Preppers making preppers look crazy etc check out this prepper made show Real Day Preppers.

[Arkane]

This is a month old but I hadn't seen it before: "Alfred C. Dutton, 65, of Eureka, Kan., pleaded guilty to one count of unlawful possession of unregistered destructive devices."

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/05/01/35 ... rylink=cpy

Is this the guy that was making molotovs in his backyard?

[akhilleus514]

At the risk of a thread derail on a topic folks might just want to let expire, I've been afforded a window into the drumming world that I had never wanted to have before. A close friend of my girlfriend, and a senior member of their circle of acquaintances (Belly dancers/ musicians/ midwives/ assorted) is a renowned drummer and general musician (on the belly-dance and middle-eastern drumming circuit) and her way of getting to know people better is to invite them to drum with her. Now, this is all happening in NorCal, and I'm from Los Angeles, and drum circles there mean those unwashed wastrels on Venice Beach who wear too much hemp like it's a strike against the machine, and who are more likely than not to be indulging in *bath salts* RIGHT NOW. Huge turn-off for me and many like me, so I never imagined becoming a part of any of that.

Well, Susu hands me several different types of drums that you hold with your knees or what have you, and we proceed to do real simple stuff. There are small variations, and she'll accompany something else from time to time, and the whole thing is meditative but very engrossing, because keeping time with consistency isn't easy. I've always known this, but never had to perform for an extended period of time. I understand the satisfaction that comes with doing it well and sharing that process with someone who is an excellent and welcoming teacher, and have always sought out such moments of learning in my life when I could recognize them for what they were.

Now, does this mean that I'll go out and seek drumming events wherever I find myself, as she suggested? The answer used to be Hell No, but now it's Perhaps. I'd have to see what the people were like. If they're like Susu and have a genuine love for the music, I'll try it. I have yet to come upon one that wasn't indistinguishable from the sort of Occupy event that turns people off to the whole Occupy Movement. The problem with both is that those sorts of things attract a wide range of people, and for me, that means a high percentage of total asshats who bring their own baggage and projectile vomit their own tiresome issues onto the campfire. But I did have a great drumming experience, and I hope anyone who reads this will have a chance at a good one too.