Invasion Right Now! The first six hours, what would you do?

[Rev]

First six hours? Do work on the farm that needs done. Probably pray.

[Paratus]

First six hours? Do work on the farm that needs done. Probably pray.

You're right - in six hours I probably wouldn't have noticed what was even going on.

[UndedRednek]

Hmmm let's see.

First off I would drive to my mother's house to check that she is okay, bringing all my supplies with me and leave them with her. After that I would check on friends, specifically some of my rather well armed ones and convince them to come with me to the nearest Army or National Guard base to help out. If no one is doing anything, well honestly cause as much havoc for the invading forces as possible to (hopefully) give people who know what the hell they are doing time to organize. Odds are I would be killed pretty quickly but I prefer to go with my rifle in hand then hiding.

You are right! Thanks for reminding me about me suggesting it was a EMP nuke attack. That said only a few nukes would be needed for a EMP effect. However I have pondered about the after effects of a full on nuclear off and on since I was a child. My bug out home (if I can sell enough land, or my city home to finance it) will be cut into the side of a 1000' Knoll on the property. I have been toying with the idea of putting one room deeper than the others for a radiation shelter. However, its very expensive eh? I would like to think that I would volunteer to help instead of hide out! If I could do so without endangering my little family I would. (Family for now = mom, sister and a elderly basset hound, with assorted mousers cats).

Hopefully we will simply enjoy pepping for the worst without it coming to pass, It saddens me to think we would commit stupidside'. I could take a natural disaster but the human race committing genocide upon its self would be stupid! No I am not sad I'm mad ha ha! Can you imagine God or an advanced alien race watching the events on earth leading up to Armageddon? No wonder they haven't visited us! (well at the expense of bending the rules I will say the aliens haven't visited us yet).

UDRN

[Mr. Denver]

At 9am Im at work. Id probably get recalled back to base, I work in security of the armored variety, and sent home or we would be required to finish the day. Id find out what our branch is doing then go check on my wife and get her and I ready to head out to her parents house. In the long run Id probably wind up in the bloodthirsty resistance running logistical/resupply runs. Billy Badass's little logistical brother with a bad attitude. Bobby Badass. Or I would finally get to join US Army. I have asthma but I think they would take anyone who could shoot well and is able.

[Doctorr Fabulous]

I believe, but could be totally wrong, that armbands count as uniforms for guerrilla/irregular forces. I might be making that up, though.

Under International Laws of War, they do constitute a uniform.

Hmmm let's see.

First off I would drive to my mother's house to check that she is okay, bringing all my supplies with me and leave them with her. After that I would check on friends, specifically some of my rather well armed ones and convince them to come with me to the nearest Army or National Guard base to help out. If no one is doing anything, well honestly cause as much havoc for the invading forces as possible to (hopefully) give people who know what the hell they are doing time to organize. Odds are I would be killed pretty quickly but I prefer to go with my rifle in hand then hiding.

You are right! Thanks for reminding me about me suggesting it was a EMP nuke attack. That said only a few nukes would be needed for a EMP effect. However I have pondered about the after effects of a full on nuclear off and on since I was a child. My bug out home (if I can sell enough land, or my city home to finance it) will be cut into the side of a 1000' Knoll on the property. I have been toying with the idea of putting one room deeper than the others for a radiation shelter. However, its very expensive eh? I would like to think that I would volunteer to help instead of hide out! If I could do so without endangering my little family I would. (Family for now = mom, sister and a elderly basset hound, with assorted mousers cats).

Hopefully we will simply enjoy pepping for the worst without it coming to pass, It saddens me to think we would commit stupidside'. I could take a natural disaster but the human race committing genocide upon its self would be stupid! No I am not sad I'm mad ha ha! Can you imagine God or an advanced alien race watching the events on earth leading up to Armageddon? No wonder they haven't visited us! (well at the expense of bending the rules I will say the aliens haven't visited us yet).

UDRN

So wait, my ACOG won't work because EMP, right? Either way, the Dolphin shave been watching mankind for quite some time. At least if the whole planet goes down, we get one last musical number.

[Ad'lan]

I believe, but could be totally wrong, that armbands count as uniforms for guerrilla/irregular forces. I might be making that up, though.

Under International Laws of War, they do constitute a uniform.

A does a distinctive hat, or other garment, AFAIR. The important thing is not committing perfidy, not pretending to be civilians when launching an attack for example.

[Doctorr Fabulous]

An organized militia with ID cards would be granted full military rights as POWs, correct? Or did I misread that portion of the advance ILAW brief?

EDIT: I'd like to expand this to ask what rights/privileges/responsibilities are grnated to militias with no current .gov affiliation in this situation? What about official .gov militias, such as the Texas and WA state guard?

[Ad'lan]

An organized militia with ID cards would be granted full military rights as POWs, correct? Or did I misread that portion of the advance ILAW brief?

EDIT: I'd like to expand this to ask what rights/privileges/responsibilities are grnated to militias with no current .gov affiliation in this situation? What about official .gov militias, such as the Texas and WA state guard?

Well, It all depends on the enemy. If we assume they are obeying currently understood international law, then yes. But then, if ZS took up arms, it'd also count under current Law, as I read it.

Art 4. A. Prisoners of war, in the sense of the present Convention, are persons belonging to one of the following categories, who have fallen into the power of the enemy:
(1) Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict, as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces.

(2) Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfil the following conditions:
(a) that of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;
(b) that of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;
(c) that of carrying arms openly;
(d) that of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.

(3) Members of regular armed forces who profess allegiance to a government or an authority not recognized by the Detaining Power.

(4) Persons who accompany the armed forces without actually being members thereof, such as civilian members of military aircraft crews, war correspondents, supply contractors, members of labour units or of services responsible for the welfare of the armed forces, provided that they have received authorization, from the armed forces which they accompany, who shall provide them for that purpose with an identity card similar to the annexed model.

(5) Members of crews, including masters, pilots and apprentices, of the merchant marine and the crews of civil aircraft of the Parties to the conflict, who do not benefit by more favourable treatment under any other provisions of international law.

(6) Inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war.

(2) is the one for militias and the like. (6) is the one that's more applicable to what people have been advocating here. When the enemy arrives, you climb the nearby hill and start sniping at anyone who looks like they know what they are doing. I wouldn't like to bet on the chances of an enemy taking me POW if I did that though.

[gatorglockman]

Lets be clear here if we are going Red Dawn.

- No set of nations can invade and take a nation the size of the US in 6 hrs...period. They can bum rush a front or two in specific locations, they can drop troops in, they can bomb us. But they won't own much real estate.
- The logistics involved in an assault of this size are HUGE. Think 6-8 support for 1 fighter. You see that kind of logistical poker hand well in advance before the cards are dropped on the table. Those troops don't sustain themselves. Think about the lead up we did before the 1st and 2nd gulf wars. That was not just down time to add to the suspense. We had to move our troops and the logistical support to allow a sustained push into Kuwait and Iraq....then Iraq.


As for the place that got taken, example: Florida getting cut in half by a foreign nation taking the lower 50% of the state to stage/defend and prep action against the rest of the SE US. You're in a jam but...this is the US and as many mentioned, any secret squirl with a gun and some nuts (pun intended) should be doing their duty as a red blooded citzen of this great nation and tapping lead into anything that remotely looks enemy. Resist, defend and fight!

In reality....it takes logistics on our side as well to launch a counter offensive. So those caught in the area of pooh would have to be determined and tough...it could take a few days/weeks.

This scenario is really where the 2nd amendment shines as a beacon of freedom for all other nations to marvel at. It is an ace in the hole for the US.

Me: Lock and load, prep the fam, contact my local prep partners and bug in to defend and hold my ground the very best I could. As an old paratrooper said in WW2..."This is as far as the bastards go!"

[raptor]

An organized militia with ID cards would be granted full military rights as POWs, correct? Or did I misread that portion of the advance ILAW brief?

EDIT: I'd like to expand this to ask what rights/privileges/responsibilities are grnated to militias with no current .gov affiliation in this situation? What about official .gov militias, such as the Texas and WA state guard?

Well, It all depends on the enemy. If we assume they are obeying currently understood international law, then yes. But then, if ZS took up arms, it'd also count under current Law, as I read it.

Art 4. A. Prisoners of war, in the sense of the present Convention, are persons belonging to one of the following categories, who have fallen into the power of the enemy:
(1) Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict, as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces.

(2) Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfil the following conditions:
(a) that of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;
(b) that of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;
(c) that of carrying arms openly;
(d) that of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.

(3) Members of regular armed forces who profess allegiance to a government or an authority not recognized by the Detaining Power.

(4) Persons who accompany the armed forces without actually being members thereof, such as civilian members of military aircraft crews, war correspondents, supply contractors, members of labour units or of services responsible for the welfare of the armed forces, provided that they have received authorization, from the armed forces which they accompany, who shall provide them for that purpose with an identity card similar to the annexed model.

(5) Members of crews, including masters, pilots and apprentices, of the merchant marine and the crews of civil aircraft of the Parties to the conflict, who do not benefit by more favourable treatment under any other provisions of international law.

(6) Inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war.

(2) is the one for militias and the like. (6) is the one that's more applicable to what people have been advocating here. When the enemy arrives, you climb the nearby hill and start sniping at anyone who looks like they know what they are doing. I wouldn't like to bet on the chances of an enemy taking me POW if I did that though.

In this situation you should look to the resistance groups and partisans of WW-2 (French, polish, Russian, Yugoslavian). They were as a rule treated as bandits as were the people assisting them. The French Resistance at the end of the war wore arm bands and were generally recognized as lawful combatants...but only towards the end of the war when it was clear that the war was lost and people involved in executing the fighters would be held accountable.

The others were generally treated to summary execution or tortured and then executed.

IMO in a situation like this, do not count on being treated with any mercy if you are captured or surrender. I would therefore highly recommend not being captured and plan accordingly.


Also IMO decapitation of the leadership would be essential to any invading force to reduce resistance. Thus I suspect any military noncoms and officers would be targeted for liquidation similar to the Katyn Forest massacre. If that happens a military ID is the last thing you want to have on you.

[Doctorr Fabulous]

I never PLAN on getting caught. Either way, my biggest fear right now would be how to sign my reenlistment papers whilst shipping back to the states.

So, since I'm deployed...

First six hours, I'm going to request reenlistment papers (precautionary measure), request additional magazines from the armory, request Corporal and Sergeant chevrons from supply, extra clothing, and start re-training the Marines junior to me for a slightly more conventional war. I'd also acquire a picture of the star-crushes of mine to put in my cover/kevlar. Johnny Depp goes in the boonie, Ryan Kwanten in the kevlar. After that, I'm gonna start memorizing the six articles of the code of conduct better, and silencing all my gear.

[Ad'lan]

In this situation you should look to the resistance groups and partisans of WW-2 (French, polish, Russian, Yugoslavian). They were as a rule treated as bandits as were the people assisting them. The French Resistance at the end of the war wore arm bands and were generally recognized as lawful combatants...but only towards the end of the war when it was clear that the war was lost and people involved in executing the fighters would be held accountable.

The others were generally treated to summary execution or tortured and then executed.

IMO in a situation like this, do not count on being treated with any mercy if you are captured or surrender. I would therefore highly recommend not being captured and plan accordingly.

Well, It all depends on the enemy. If we assume they are obeying currently understood international law, then yes. But then, if ZS took up arms, it'd also count under current Law, as I read it.

I should have highlighted it more myself.

[Frosty709]

Get the last flight from Canada entering into the U.S..

[DannusMaximus]

I believe, but could be totally wrong, that armbands count as uniforms for guerrilla/irregular forces. I might be making that up, though.

Under International Laws of War, they do constitute a uniform.

A does a distinctive hat, or other garment, AFAIR. The important thing is not committing perfidy, not pretending to be civilians when launching an attack for example.

ZS t-shirts?

[MsZombieObliterator]

I would obiviously take a few minutes to think. At 9am on Wednesday (thanks goodness Im off Wednesday) I would still be up with my two year old. At this point our survival is all that matters. Gather my bug out supplies I own no guns so I would either have to go loot some or get to my fathers house which is and hour and a half away. Sit tight, in those first few hours you don't know where the most damage is going to occur. Lets say I made it to my dads, he has some redneck friends who are like crazy rambo people I would be just fine. If I am not, I would hold up in a small hardware store. There may be a backup generator and some good supplies to use. Only time will tell at that point.

[shrapnel]

I would obiviously take a few minutes to think. At 9am on Wednesday (thanks goodness Im off Wednesday) I would still be up with my two year old. At this point our survival is all that matters. Gather my bug out supplies I own no guns so I would either have to go loot some or get to my fathers house which is and hour and a half away. Sit tight, in those first few hours you don't know where the most damage is going to occur. Lets say I made it to my dads, he has some redneck friends who are like crazy rambo people I would be just fine. If I am not, I would hold up in a small hardware store. There may be a backup generator and some good supplies to use. Only time will tell at that point.

Hi, welcome to ZS. As you might find out from looking around a bit, holing up in a hardware store is a bad idea for a number of reasons- questions of legality aside, everyone else is going to have that same brilliant idea, and there isn't much in the way of food or water at a hardware store, either. Not to mention, I mean, I just don't know how useful, say, twelve Black & Decker 7 1/4 inch circular saws are really going to be, against an army that invades the US (or most other disasters, really). Beyond all that, you probably don't have permission to... be there? Take things? from the hardware store's owners, and that isn't something we talk about on ZS.

Speaking of things we don't talk about- looting guns. Just how do you think the owners of those guns are going to react to your trying to take them? I'm guessing... poorly. ZS stresses the importance of preparedness before a disaster, so you have all of your supplies ready to go, and aren't trying to fight through crowds to get the last package of toilet paper at the store. Or trying to steal guns from gun owners.

Anyway, like I said, welcome. Our rules are right here (http://zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=19895&start=0), and we hope you'll stick around and learn some stuff. Bottom line, illegal activities, such as looting, are not ok for discussion, and we strongly encourage you to start preparing for whatever you want to prepare for, now, not once it has already happened.

[Kelvar]

Ms.ZombieObliterator, I'd like to join shrapnel in welcoming you to the forums! This is one of my favorite places on the internet and I hope it becomes one of yours!


To follow along with what shrapnel said, I want to propose some questions that you may wish to ponder (no need to answer here unless you want to):

First, the main problem I see with your plan is the idea of looting some guns. If you are unarmed, how do you believe you could safely accomplish that? Doesn't that sound really risky? (Also, we're hoping to 'win,' I assume--what happens when order is restored?) I guess I feel like I can relate, because my son will be two years old this summer. My main goal is to make sure I can stay alive (and free) so I can continue to take care of him and keep him safe. I expect that folks with guns would be rather difficult to loot by folks without them. Just my opinion. I've never been in that situation.

Guns are like any other preparation in that regard--the only way to make sure you'll have one when (or if) you need one is to have one *now.* Waiting until disaster strikes to try to get anything you might need is a very dicey proposition. In this situation you could easily substitute the word "water," or "food," or "radio," or "blanket," or "flashlight," or "fuel," or "truck" or "landfill" (old joke, sorry), or anything that you think you might need in an emergency situation. The only time you can have real peace of mind that you will have what you need when disaster strikes is to have it *before* disaster strikes. Afterwards, all bets are off. Take a look at most grocery stores before a winter storm--very busy. Now imagine it isn't a storm, but a potential "end of the world as we know it," and ask yourself how these same people might behave. Hurricane Katrina was a horrific, but instructive, example.

As shrapnel mentioned regarding the hardware store, what guarantee do you have that what you and your child need will be there? What if a bunch of other people have the same idea? What if they get there first? What if they are the legal owners?

I hate to quote Jayne Cobb with a new poster, but "I'm smellin' a lotta' 'if' comin' off this plan."

This is why we recommend planning ahead. Planning ahead can take a lot of the "if's" out of an emergency situation. So we recommend getting the supplies one may need before one needs them. We (and the American Red Cross and others) recommend you talk with your family and have a plan in place about what everyone will do in a disaster situation. I recommend starting with the most likely one or two for the area you live in. Start there, and start small if you must, but start! Few of us can do any of this overnight. Many say that preparing is never "done." Depending on where you live, having a gun might not be nearly as high on the list as, say, extra food for the baby and for yourself. Or extra water. Or a change of warm, practical clothes and shoes. Or a handcrank cell phone charger. Or. . .

You see where I'm going.

Anyway, welcome again, and please take a look at our rules as shrapnel said. Don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions about prepping or about the rules of our forum. Welcome!

[Tater Raider]

Guns are like any other preparation in that regard--the only way to make sure you'll have one when (or if) you need one is to have one *now.* Waiting until disaster strikes to try to get anything you might need is a very dicey proposition. In this situation you could easily substitute the word "water," or "food," or "radio," or "blanket," or "flashlight," or "fuel," or "truck" or "landfill" (old joke, sorry), or anything that you think you might need in an emergency situation.

I was to be The Fool at the landfill until it got locked. Alas, I can no longer find the thread and will not use the ever so user-friendly and useful search engine for fear of getting smacked mightily with a hammer of smacking - that and the thread is likely graveyard fodder.

Ninja Edit:

[Kelvar]

I was to be The Fool at the landfill until it got locked. Alas, I can no longer find the thread and will not use the ever so user-friendly and useful search engine for fear of getting smacked mightily with a hammer of smacking - that and the thread is likely graveyard fodder.

Ninja Edit:

Hey, Tater! When you say you were "The Fool," do you mean you were "Lord Stern," or that your name at the time was "The Fool"? (If you *were* Lord Stern and don't want to admit it publicly, PM me! )

With the picture, do you mean *this* thread is going to be locked soon? (I don't see any reason to at the moment, but I obviously can't speak for the other Mods. Some things have been said that shouldn't have, but we've addressed it so far).

If anyone has a good reason for this thread to be locked, feel free to PM me.

[UndedRednek]

At 9am Im at work. Id probably get recalled back to base, I work in security of the armored variety, and sent home or we would be required to finish the day. Id find out what our branch is doing then go check on my wife and get her and I ready to head out to her parents house. In the long run Id probably wind up in the bloodthirsty resistance running logistical/resupply runs. Billy Badass's little logistical brother with a bad attitude. Bobby Badass. Or I would finally get to join US Army. I have asthma but I think they would take anyone who could shoot well and is able.

As a vet I can tell you that in my opinion you are correct. Criteria for enlistment does seem relax during times of a shooting war! However that said I joined and thought I had made the biggest mistake of my life! I too had slight health problems that made PE severely difficult. But I hacked gagged and vomited my way through it!

UDRN

[Hollowpoint26]

I am fairly certain this will not be one of the first target cities. Which means, I would be given a little extra time to decided on whether I'd bug in or out and organize with my fellow local ZSers. If we decided to bug out, we'd gather our gear (I keep bug out bags for my children and I,) and take the most direct route to our AO. Upon arrival, we'd have a good meal, hydrate and begin our site improvement and fortifications. Digging/construction of several fighting positions and fallback positions. Establishing a perimeter, subdue vehicles, erect the shelters, organize gear, pool our resources and inventory/issue weapons and ammo. Post 24 hour guards (2 hour shifts) and rack out.

Operate as normal for a few days (comb the immediate area for any survivors or potential aggressors), if the invasion situation appears to degrade further, we dig in and begin our garden.

[Tater Raider]

I was to be The Fool at the landfill until it got locked. Alas, I can no longer find the thread and will not use the ever so user-friendly and useful search engine for fear of getting smacked mightily with a hammer of smacking - that and the thread is likely graveyard fodder.

Ninja Edit:

Hey, Tater! When you say you were "The Fool," do you mean you were "Lord Stern," or that your name at the time was "The Fool"? (If you *were* Lord Stern and don't want to admit it publicly, PM me! )

Stern is my hero. My hero I say! Why, anyone who ends up at his landfill should count themselves damn fortunate to be able to be his serf.

With the picture, do you mean *this* thread is going to be locked soon? (I don't see any reason to at the moment, but I obviously can't speak for the other Mods. Some things have been said that shouldn't have, but we've addressed it so far).

If anyone has a good reason for this thread to be locked, feel free to PM me.

Just a hunch it's going to be heading that way. I could be, and hope I am, wrong and that pic ends up with me being mocked a bit in a good-natured way.

[Amator]

Well, sadly as I'm just getting started I don't have a serious BOL or weapons yet, so here would be my plan:

9am I would have been at work for a few minutes in a downtown office building in a medium-sized Southern city. I would call my wife, tell her to pickup our 9-year old son ASAP and get him and our 4-month old daughter ready to go. Then I'd call my mom and let her know I'm picking up the wife and kids and heading her way.

Depending on traffic I'd get to my house by 9:35-10:00am. My mom's place is roughly 1.5 hours away, 2 hours if I have to avoid the interstate. If I see a drive-up ATM that looks operational but empty I'd give it a try. When I get home I'd give my wife and son 30minutes to help me pack up both cars with as much stuff as we can; I live in a densely populated subdivision with a lot of neighbors I don't trust so I don't anticipate coming back to anything.

My mom's house isn't anything fancy, but it's on 3 acres in the rural part of the next county over. She does a lot of gardening and the people around there are good country folk, including a sheriff's deputy as a neighbor.

We'd have my BOB, my 10/22 and .357 revolver, our camping gear, about 3 months worth of prepackaged foods, a few tools, baby gear, two laptops, a box of homesteading books, my tiny silver stash, and clothes and mementos. Thankfully my wife breastfeeds and practices cloth diapering.

I'd call my closest friend and see if he and his fiancee were going to try to make it out of town and invite them to come stay with us if they can supply some food. They're both nurses and are willing to put in their share of work.

I'd lead us in a two car convoy to my mom's place avoiding interstates, hopefully getting us there in 2 hours. Let's assume for argument there's a bit of traffic but I get there at 1pm. I leave the women there (along with my 21-year-old brother who still lives with Mom) to unload the vehicles while I grab the keys for my mom's car and head out to the local feed and seed store. Hopefully I was able to grab the maximum in daily ATM withdrawls (I think the max is 40 bills 40*$20 = $800) With this money I'd do my best to get a dozen laying hens from various neighbors, and as much chicken feed and untreated feed corn (can be eaten by humans) as the car can hold.

Any military activity would probably take a bit to get rural western South Carolina. As long as systems are in place I'd try to acquire a pair of milking goats, breeding rabbits, seeds, more ammo for the .357 and .22, see if I can move my nearby uncle who has a collection of guns and tools to our site, and try to stock up on as much food, water storage, and fuel as possible.

We're not soldiers, but if our area is overrun we'd do our best to support any guerilla fighters with food, medical care, ammo, and shelter if necessary. Until then we will hunker down, try to get a microhomestead going, build a primitive fallback shelter in the woods behind my mom's property, and do our best to be "grey men".

[RedneckReverend]

9am?
Leave work. Head home. Stop by the feed store on the way (if they are still open) and buy all the corn, oats, and soy that I can afford. It can feed both my animals and my family if need be. Get home and unpack the gun safe. Load everything that's not already loaded. Depending on the specific circumstances in my area I may or may not start felling trees across the last 1/2 mile of my dead end county dirt road and my driveway. Hide the vehicles in the trees and camo them as much as possible to make the place look abandoned from the air. No outside lights at night, blinds closed, inside lights dim. No smoke in the day time. Hope to stay off the radar until it's over. Bug out on horseback (yes I have the horses) across the river into the national forest if I hear them clearing the road. Hope the goats will follow us.