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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:12 pm 
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As far as the other group goes, I'm wondering: Did the kid (Randall) leave the area, join up with them elsewhere, and then lead them back to his home town?

Or, has the other group been established in the immediate area for a while now and Randall just recently joined them?

One scenario suggests that the others will move on, while the other infers that they'll eventually have another run-in with Rick & Co......I guess we'll have to wait and see how well Dirty Daryl's "enhanced interrogation" techniques work.

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I'm wondering why it's only the women in charge of all the cooking and cleaning. Why do the men get a pass on basic chores? It would be one thing if they were building fortifications or even digging latrines but I've yet to see them do anything but make the occasional trip into town etc. even guard duty is being done by a woman. If it were my camp, everyone would be responsible for chores just as everyone would be responsible for defense.

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As far as the other group goes, I'm wondering: Did the kid (Randall) leave the area, join up with them elsewhere, and then lead them back to his home town?

Or, has the other group been established in the immediate area for a while now and Randall just recently joined them?

One scenario suggests that the others will move on, while the other infers that they'll eventually have another run-in with Rick & Co......I guess we'll have to wait and see how well Dirty Daryl's "enhanced interrogation" techniques work.


I think Mr. Pittsburgh, the dead scumbag, was telling the truth about his group. That his group did wander pretty far and wide, stumbling from one false hope to another. I doubt Randall was directing the group in any particular direction, it's probably pure chance that Randall met up with his group and that the group is now in Randall's home town.

Whether Randall's group leaves or moves on, depends on what kind of group it is and how they react to the sudden loss of four members to the actions of hostile humans. A very cautious or small group might decide to leave because of the obvious danger. A large group that is very righteous or very aggressive might decide to hunt down the killers.

I guess the next episode will tell us more which of these scenarios are more likely.

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I sure hope Rick and Shane don't try and kill each other again. The group needs both of them for physical security. They are some of the strongest in the group. People may not like Shane, but hes part of the group and better he be by your side than a walker ready to bite your face clean off.

I also wonder if they're ever going to leave that farm. I would keep moving.


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Remember all of the bitching on the "walling up your farm" thread? Thinking barbed wire was enough for the outer perimeter? I believe we're all going to see why that's wrong.

I believe that lodging site Rick and Shane broke into and got chased out of has a LOT MORE zombies than what we saw. Going by the 18 mile statement right after the opening credits, between the group of walkers at the town and this horde, its only a matter of time before either the zeds stumble on the farm, or the raiders do, with zeds in tow.

I believe we're well on the way to the Prison. We may even see a "herd". Rick himself said they needed something more than the farm.

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People keep pointing to how he was trying to shoot Rick, Glenn, and Hershel. Yet forget that They had just shot two of that groups guys. That kid was as far as he knew justified in shooting at them. I am not saying any of those bar shootings were right or wrong, it was a grey area where everyone had their reasons. You can't blame the kid for defending his group at that time.


I keep pointing that out with my friends here... for all those guys knew, Rick and Co. had just murdered two of their friends in cold blood, and they had no choice but to defend themselves against those murdering bastards before they tracked them down and killed everyone in their sleep. "But they shot first at Rick!" Yeah, if you have a known, confirmed threat, it's best to wait for them to strike first, right? Uhhh... no... you've got the murderers trapped in a bar, best to keep them pinned down while you prepare a Molotov cocktail...

So many folks are assuming that this new group is "evil" yet we've no real evidence of that, just that those two dudes in the bar were bad news... okay, that's true, but consider this... what kind of impression would a hypothetical third group get of Rick's people if their first contact was with, say, Shane, when he's having a bad day?


you can't be serious! That is the same as excusing all the excesses of Hitler and Stalin on the grounds that they were just defending their Countries!!! You have to stay focused on the group you are in.


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People keep pointing to how he was trying to shoot Rick, Glenn, and Hershel. Yet forget that They had just shot two of that groups guys. That kid was as far as he knew justified in shooting at them. I am not saying any of those bar shootings were right or wrong, it was a grey area where everyone had their reasons. You can't blame the kid for defending his group at that time.


I keep pointing that out with my friends here... for all those guys knew, Rick and Co. had just murdered two of their friends in cold blood, and they had no choice but to defend themselves against those murdering bastards before they tracked them down and killed everyone in their sleep. "But they shot first at Rick!" Yeah, if you have a known, confirmed threat, it's best to wait for them to strike first, right? Uhhh... no... you've got the murderers trapped in a bar, best to keep them pinned down while you prepare a Molotov cocktail...

So many folks are assuming that this new group is "evil" yet we've no real evidence of that, just that those two dudes in the bar were bad news... okay, that's true, but consider this... what kind of impression would a hypothetical third group get of Rick's people if their first contact was with, say, Shane, when he's having a bad day?


you can't be serious! That is the same as excusing all the excesses of Hitler and Stalin on the grounds that they were just defending their Countries!!! You have to stay focused on the group you are in.


Sorry but no it is not the same. If you can't tell the difference then I feel very sorry for you.

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My review is up: http://couchpotatoprepper.blogspot.com/2012/02/preparedness-review-of-walking-dead_28.html.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:24 pm 
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Nice wrap up, kdalton. As usual, I'm late to the orgasmic post-episode debrief that has become a weekly ritual in this thread. My thoughts on this latest installment are:

* Holy awesome zombie slaying action, Batman! Yeah baby! Yeah! :twisted: :shock: :D

* I really, really enjoyed the parallels between the Shane/Rick conflict at the municipal station and the Andrea/Lori tete-a-tete back at the farm. In both cases you had two extremely strong personalities with almost diametrically opposing view points, and in each case a young person's life was very much in the balance. And non-lethal blood letting was mirrored in both conflicts. I think that parallelism was a really elegant way to structure the episode.

* Law of narrative economy says that lone walker in the field means something; especiallly since Shane noticed it both on the way out and back again. Not sure whether it symbolically represents Shane's growing isolation, or a harbinger of his ultimate fate. But it means something.

* I hadn't thought through the blood baiting tactic until you'all started criticizing it. You're all absolutely right, of course; very unrealistic. As is plunging a folder into a walker skull and not worry it might spring closed. Thing is, I just don't sweat stuff like that nearly as much as some of you do. I'm much more willing to suspend my disbelief about details like that and just go with it. It's a TV drama, they're going to take liberties to further the story. Drawing your own blood is a dramatic way of showing how dire the situation is. It also shows how the undead are literally driven by blood lust. And you have to admit, Shane gicking that walker as it was licking his blood off the bus door frame was pretty priceless ("Schlipp-lipp-lipp-lipp--GLITCH!" :twisted: :mrgreen:). C'mon, where else are we gonna get that kind of quality programming?

* I have not been a huge Andrea fan, and as other folks have said, she could have done a better job following her own advice regarding her delivery, but her instincts were absolutely right on about letting Amy choose her fate. And I disagree with folks who said that Andrea's behavior in that regard was born of her anger or lack of caring. On the contrary, in doing to Amy what she did, I think Andrea showed more empathy, compassion -- hell, respect for that young woman than either Lori or Maggie. Andrea alone seems to understand that given the current situtation everyone is in, to say nothing of everyone's likely ultimate fate, the decision to end life on one's own terms may be the most sane and rational course of action. And whether or not you happen to agree with the idea of suicide, in a zombie apocalypse, that really is each person's decison to make. Andrea was absolutely right to leave Amy alone to make that choice. Otherwise you might as well have kept her bound and muzzled, just like Randall.

In each case, whether the young person was restrained literally or figuratively, any meaningful control over their own fate was being taken away from them.

Hey, there's that parallelism again.

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Do the people in twd have some sort of mutant healing power? Rick awakes from coma after being shot and makes a full recovery on his own. Carl is also shot and has made a speedy recovery along with Daryl being stabbed with a bolt that has been used to kill several zombies. T dog gashing his arm open on the brink of death and is saved by merils clap medication in no time. The new kid nearly gets his leg ripped off by rick and now is running around like he got a new bionic leg. I scrapped my knee once as a kid and it took me a month before i could comfortably Walk up and down stairs.
or is Hershel just a kick ass veterinarian?

Also the two cops that had no bite marks. Didnt the Jenner (cdc guy) tell rick that everyone has the virus. The bite kills you. So dying in general will set the virus in action and kickstart the brain. So being coverd in zombie blood really isnt a concern.

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If shtf and zombies spawn up, I want Shane in my group - not Rick. Reason being: at least I know what I'm getting with Shane.
He's fairly transparent.

Also, I don't think he's a horrible prick for making moves on Lori, either. From what they knew, Rick was dead. Shane took Rick's spot, because he felt it was his duty to keep Carl and Lori safe. Shane was always envious of what Rick had, and once he had a taste of it, he latched on, and that isn't going to be easy for him to give up - which is clear from this past episode.

I think Shane was a good friend to Rick and made an attempt to save him in the Hospital, but it wasn't going to happen and Shane made the call. Could he have carried Rick out? Maybe. Who knows... Maybe Shane and Rick would both be dead, and Lori and Carl would be among the millions dead.

In the end, Shane DID save Rick by barricading the door. Had he not, we'd be watching this show on HBO as a softcore survivalist porno.

Were I rick, I'd kindly thank Shane for trying to step in and making sure Carl was going to have a father, but assert to him that things are OK now, and I'm alive. I wish Shane and Rick could swap Lori and Andrea, because I think Rick needs a little Andrea to regrow some of his balls, because what this group needs is really a cross between the two of these guys. Basically, an emotionally stable Daryl would fit the bill just fine.


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you can't be serious! That is the same as excusing all the excesses of Hitler and Stalin on the grounds that they were just defending their Countries!!! You have to stay focused on the group you are in.


Ummm... yes, I can be serious. Frankly, I don't see any comparison at all between what we're talking about and the genocidal actions of those two dictators...

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Do the people in twd have some sort of mutant healing power? Rick awakes from coma after being shot and makes a full recovery on his own. Carl is also shot and has made a speedy recovery along with Daryl being stabbed with a bolt that has been used to kill several zombies. T dog gashing his arm open on the brink of death and is saved by merils clap medication in no time. The new kid nearly gets his leg ripped off by rick and now is running around like he got a new bionic leg. I scrapped my knee once as a kid and it took me a month before i could comfortably Walk up and down stairs.
or is Hershel just a kick ass veterinarian?

Also the two cops that had no bite marks. Didnt the Jenner (cdc guy) tell rick that everyone has the virus. The bite kills you. So dying in general will set the virus in action and kickstart the brain. So being coverd in zombie blood really isnt a concern.


Well, Rick had modern medical care and he'd been healing for approximately two months, maybe more depending on how long before the outbreak began he'd been shot, so he was basically healed by the time he woke up (how he survived with no food or water while being in a coma for two months is a topic we won't address right now).

Carl's recovery has been speedy, but by this point I think we've been at the farm for at least a month, quite possibly more (this episode took place a week after the last one... funny how they apparently didn't bother to question the kid in all that time). Carl is likely still healing, but then again it's not like they've shown him doing anything strenuous.

As for what Jenner told Rick, no one knows what it was yet.

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you can't be serious! That is the same as excusing all the excesses of Hitler and Stalin on the grounds that they were just defending their Countries!!! You have to stay focused on the group you are in.


Ummm... yes, I can be serious. Frankly, I don't see any comparison at all between what we're talking about and the genocidal actions of those two dictators...


truly sad then. Not all of life is morally equivalent.


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As for what Jenner told Rick, no one knows what it was yet.

Jenner said it outloud. Not what was wispered to rick.

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you can't be serious! That is the same as excusing all the excesses of Hitler and Stalin on the grounds that they were just defending their Countries!!! You have to stay focused on the group you are in.


Ummm... yes, I can be serious. Frankly, I don't see any comparison at all between what we're talking about and the genocidal actions of those two dictators...


truly sad then. Not all of life is morally equivalent.


You're saying that a group who's defending themselves against someone who murdered two of their friends is morally equivalent to people responsible for genocide, against convenient scapegoats in one case and his own people in the others? I agree... that is sad.

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As for what Jenner told Rick, no one knows what it was yet.

Jenner said it outloud. Not what was wispered to rick.


Hmmm... I don't recall that at all. As far as we know, the group doesn't know that everyone will turn into a zombie yet, even if they die of some unrelated cause. I may have to review the old episodes again...

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Can we put the Hitler/stalin/genocide argument into PMs please?



The nitpicking is really just that for me... I'm enjoying the show...

The Rick/Shane show, I think, has run it's course... Shane just can't let go, and has convinced himself that it should have been him, with Lori and Carl, his own readymade family...
It's like Shane literally thinks that he is due them, like watching over them has given him certain ownership or something. He's convinced himself that Lori loves him, and just needs convincing (her constant denials fall on deaf ears).
If it wasn't for this defect in his character, I'd really consider him as one of the most valuable people in the group... But this has ruined his perspective and his judgement for the most part...
I can't bring myself to really hate the character, because he's so well written, and the actor does him pretty damn good... But he's becoming a train wreck, and while I yell at the screen, I am gonna miss him when he's gone...
But he needs to go in the next few episodes... Before sympathy turns to no longer self delusion, but sheer stupidity.

Personally, these last handful of episodes have made me wish that he could stay, snap out of his obsession and become captain badass.... But I don't think it shall be...

Side's, Daryl is still a far more interesting character to explore...



Andrea is the one that I think bears watching now, to see how she progresses, without the obsessive nature and baggage that Shane has... She seems to have been reborn hard, and might just become what Shane should have become... If that makes sense...

Right now she seems like Shane's acolyte, but in reality, I think she's gonna grow into something all together different...

Well, I hope so...

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Jenner said it outloud. Not what was wispered to rick.


Hmmm... I don't recall that at all. As far as we know, the group doesn't know that everyone will turn into a zombie yet, even if they die of some unrelated cause. I may have to review the old episodes again...

I'm fixin' to pop the DVD in myself, 'cause I don't remember Jenner saying anything except the scene where he showed them the replay of his wifes death. And I can't recall him actually saying how she was bit/infected.

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While I'm almost positive he didn't say it out loud, I think that's exactly what he whispered to Rick. Rick knew what it meant when Shane said the cops weren't bitten, but keeping in character, Rick is keeping it to himself. After all, half his group is on the edge of giving up hope. Imagine what that kind of info would do for morale. Of course, not sharing the info is dangerous but again it's his way of trying to protect the group.

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Just before Rick left, Jenner whispered something to Rick that made him blanch. I'm as yet waiting on series 2 to start, so I'm way behind you guys :(

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Do the people in twd have some sort of mutant healing power?

Seriously! Why do people in movies and tv shows always slice open their palm when they need blood for some unholy reason? cutting your palm hurts more, gets infected more easily and affects the mobility and usefulness of your hand.

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