"Walking Dead" Cable Series

[SeerSavant]

The folding blade thing was kinda stupid....

Personally...



coupla these...


For those who read the graphic novel, didn't Axel or one of the prisoner's create a spring loaded "dispatcher" to be used thru the prison's chain link?

If I remember, it was a pole, with basically a spring loaded spear inside, not big, but with a cut out on the side, and a bolt or something... You pull it back, depressing the spring, and slip the bolt up or down into a cut out, then insert the tube/pole thru the fence, and push the bolt into the slot...
Schwiiinnnnn thunk.
Pull it back, pull the bolt back, repeat as necessary...

... and rinse...


Figure when they get to the prison we will get some objective lesson on how prisoners are best able to make improvised weaponry or some such...



On Shane... Last night's episode was one of those bait and switch moments...

My prediction; Shane (outwardly at least) will step in line and support Rick's decisions, but plot and try and bring in Andrea into his thinking...
Either Andrea will betray his methods, and we will get another bait and switch, or Shane's death will be redemptive in nature... Dying while finally doing what's best for the group...

I'd like to see his death come completely out of left field, and be fast sudden and leaving us all with a WTF look on our face as credits roll...
Not next week, and not the season ender, so the following week or the one after... One of those two episodes, Shane will be no more...

During this time, It looks like Daryl is going to flex his muscles (and I get the impression that they are gonna send him over to the other camp to "spy" on the other group....
Which would be totally badass if they had a leader........ wait for it...... with.......only....... one .......HAND!!!!!!!

(cue whaaa music... dun dun duuuuuuuuuuuhhh...)

[RickOShea]

For those who read the graphic novel, didn't Axel or one of the prisoner's create a spring loaded "dispatcher" to be used thru the prison's chain link?

I remember they were using a hammer to drive a knife into the roamers that were up against the chain-link fence. But the knives kept getting stuck in the skulls and they would lose it when the zeds fell backwards.

Then someone came up with the idea of sticking a block of wood infront of the hilt so that the knife wouldn't get pulled thru the fence.

[SeerSavant]

For those who read the graphic novel, didn't Axel or one of the prisoner's create a spring loaded "dispatcher" to be used thru the prison's chain link?

I remember they were using a hammer to drive a knife into the roamers that were up against the chain-link fence. But the knives kept getting stuck in the skulls and they would lose it when the zeds fell backwards.

Then someone came up with the idea of sticking a block of wood infront of the hilt so that the knife wouldn't get pulled thru the fence.

Then where the hell did I read the pipe spear?

Dunno.. still good idea though...

[RickOShea]

I'm betting Shane's demise is right at the end of this season and left in doubt to build anticipation for the next season.

There's getting to be too many characters. I predict* that as a season finale, the farm gets over-run and the writers go "Wild Bunch" on half the cast.

*But take into account that I'm wrong in 99% of my show predictions.

[taz-hein]

Folding knife kill a zombie?

How about it Cold Steel?

[ineffableone]

About the kid for the other group.

People keep pointing to how he was trying to shoot Rick, Glenn, and Hershel. Yet forget that They had just shot two of that groups guys. That kid was as far as he knew justified in shooting at them. I am not saying any of those bar shootings were right or wrong, it was a grey area where everyone had their reasons. You can't blame the kid for defending his group at that time.

Will Rick see this and make his decisions based on understanding the kid might be just what he said, hanging with a group for security.

[ineffableone]

Since so many people are talking about previews from the next episode

End of 18 miles out sneak peek for Judge, Jury, Executioner


Sneak peek of Judge, Jury, Executioner Dale and Shane


Seems most of the next episode will revolve around if they kill the kid or not.

I noticed Rick making a noose, they seem to plan on hanging the kid. LOL.

I think I agree with Dale, killing the kid wont change the other group, but it will change their group. Or was he talking about the killing of someone else?

As I pointed out, the kid had just as good reasons for shooting at them as they did for shooting at the kids group. To blame him for his group is not the best idea morally. Though I am not saying the normal society moral still apply. Can they trust the kid, well we can't know unless they actually give us some time on screen showing the kid talking. He knows Maggie, so he is a local. He helped Rick save Shane. There might be some good in the kid. I would at least give him a chance to explain himself and give the group intell on the other group. From there I would make my decision on if he should stay, outcast, or die.

As I said before from the Shane and Andrea convo, it looks like they are plotting a coup against Rick, now with this preview it looks even more like it with Shane saying Rick shouldn't be leader.

Big difference between Rick and Shane. Shane just reacts living moment to moment. Rick is planning thinking of the future. This last episode you see Rick thinking about winter, etc you see it in him wanting to take a day to think about the kid's future before just deciding to kill him. Shane just immediate reacts and tries to kill the kid, then Rick.

Yes being able to react in crisis is important, but having the ability to think of the long term is vital for a leader. This is why Rick is leading and Shane isn't.

[L1Z4RD]

I kinda hope they all die and we start new with a better group.

That being said, I think Rick contemplated leaving Shane, but changed his mind when he realized he was helping a complete stranger. Personally, I would've left the kid for zombie bait. He shot at me. His group is obviously malevolent (though I could be wrong, I'm judging from the dipshits Rick encountered in the bar). Rick now has another Glock, please carry it. I love revolvers, but enough's enough.

I do not condone suicide. I've seen too much of that in my life. It's heartbreaking for the family and it's not easy on first responders. Teenage suicides are the worst. Like it or not, they're still just kids and are not mature enough to make decisions on college, let alone ending their own life. What Andrea failed to realize is that she, unlike the girl, is an adult and should know better. Especially from experience.

Lori, make me a sammich.

Dale, stfu.

Shane, get over it.

[Akin]

..........and if they have found a tanker truck, why just siphon off a few gallons, and ............and then leave the cans they filled on the ground?

I believe they had loaded the cans into the back of their vehicle... well, four of them, at least, if I recall...

[Akin]

For those who read the graphic novel, didn't Axel or one of the prisoner's create a spring loaded "dispatcher" to be used thru the prison's chain link?

If I remember, it was a pole, with basically a spring loaded spear inside, not big, but with a cut out on the side, and a bolt or something... You pull it back, depressing the spring, and slip the bolt up or down into a cut out, then insert the tube/pole thru the fence, and push the bolt into the slot...
Schwiiinnnnn thunk.
Pull it back, pull the bolt back, repeat as necessary...

Errr... I don't recall that at all. Didn't they just use a hammer-powered knife through the chain link, and then when they realized (realistically) that they couldn't just yank the knife out easily, they came up with putting the knife through a board so that it wouldn't be pulled through the fence and they could wiggle it free? Or something?

[Akin]

People keep pointing to how he was trying to shoot Rick, Glenn, and Hershel. Yet forget that They had just shot two of that groups guys. That kid was as far as he knew justified in shooting at them. I am not saying any of those bar shootings were right or wrong, it was a grey area where everyone had their reasons. You can't blame the kid for defending his group at that time.

I keep pointing that out with my friends here... for all those guys knew, Rick and Co. had just murdered two of their friends in cold blood, and they had no choice but to defend themselves against those murdering bastards before they tracked them down and killed everyone in their sleep. "But they shot first at Rick!" Yeah, if you have a known, confirmed threat, it's best to wait for them to strike first, right? Uhhh... no... you've got the murderers trapped in a bar, best to keep them pinned down while you prepare a Molotov cocktail...

So many folks are assuming that this new group is "evil" yet we've no real evidence of that, just that those two dudes in the bar were bad news... okay, that's true, but consider this... what kind of impression would a hypothetical third group get of Rick's people if their first contact was with, say, Shane, when he's having a bad day?

[ineffableone]

People keep pointing to how he was trying to shoot Rick, Glenn, and Hershel. Yet forget that They had just shot two of that groups guys. That kid was as far as he knew justified in shooting at them. I am not saying any of those bar shootings were right or wrong, it was a grey area where everyone had their reasons. You can't blame the kid for defending his group at that time.

I keep pointing that out with my friends here... for all those guys knew, Rick and Co. had just murdered two of their friends in cold blood, and they had no choice but to kill those murdering bastards before they tracked them down and killed everyone in their sleep.

So many folks are assuming that this new group is "evil" yet we've no real evidence of that, just that those two dudes in the bar where bad news... what kind of impression would a hypothetical third group get of Rick's people if their first contact was with Shane having a bad day?

Yep, I totally agree. At this point the other group has every right to think the Farm group is the evil bad guys who go around killing humans instead of zombies. And yes, if Shane was having a bad day and a 3rd group ran into him, he would not likely give a good impression.

People keep saying the kid shot at Rick and crew, but duh, as mentioned earlier he had good reason.

As I pointed out, the kid had just as good reasons for shooting at them as they did for shooting at the kids group. To blame him for his group is not the best idea morally. Though I am not saying the normal society moral still apply. Can they trust the kid, well we can't know unless they actually give us some time on screen showing the kid talking. He knows Maggie, so he is a local. He helped Rick save Shane. There might be some good in the kid. I would at least give him a chance to explain himself and give the group intell on the other group. From there I would make my decision on if he should stay, outcast, or die.

[Dagny]

I think I agree with Dale, killing the kid wont change the other group, but it will change their group. Or was he talking about the killing of someone else?

As I pointed out, the kid had just as good reasons for shooting at them as they did for shooting at the kids group.

As I said before from the Shane and Andrea convo, it looks like they are plotting a coup against Rick, now with this preview it looks even more like it with Shane saying Rick shouldn't be leader.

Big difference between Rick and Shane. Shane just reacts living moment to moment. Rick is planning thinking of the future.

Good points. What makes TWD (... and Lost and Jericho...) so compelling to me is the group(s) dynamic and individual characters as they react to the extreme duress of the end of civilization as they knew it. Dale's observation in the preview is profound and one that individuals, governments and organizations deal with today. Gitmo comes to mind....

The Kid -- it's not like anyone in the Walker World has a lot of groups to choose from. Its not like a fraternity-sorority rush -- choose from among many which one suits you and vice versa. Survival groups in Walker World are evidently as randomly assembled as they are rare -- especially at the outset.

In regard to Rick, he's got to be thinking about Shane a number of things: 1) Shane's a childhood friend/police partner -- very tight bond -- and great friends like that are hard to come by in the post-apocalypse; 2) Shane saved Lori and Carl's lives numerous times; 3) Shane is an exceptionally capable individual who would be a tremendous asset to the group/Rick's family, if he would cease being such a jerk.

Shane's impulsiveness and reliance on a brutal instinct is more conducive to, as Shane observed in the second episode, "living day-to-day." Rick is, especially since news of Lori's pregnancy, thinking more long term. It also appears that Rick is naturally more methodical in his thinking than Shane ever was. They made probably a heck of a team as police officers but, unfortunately, their circumstances have changed.

One of the striking images to me in this episode was Shane slouching in the passenger seat looking out the window like a little boy - relegated to riding shotgun as he did when they were cops. I think Shane's no longer seeing himself anywhere other than the driver seat, ever.

Trust is going to be as rare as platinum in the Walker World. There would be so many benefits to being part of a good group but increased risk with numbers, too, as it takes only one jerk or whacko to get a lot of people killed.

An isolated cabin (with plenty of "dry" goods and Dr. Hershel nearby) has got to be looking good to Rick right about now.

The farm is going to be overrun soon. I wonder who is going to make it out. I like Hershel but he'll probably go out in a blaze of glory protecting his lone surviving daughter: Maggie. Beth will have succumbed, somehow.

Can TWD/AMC afford three strong women in the cast (Lori, Andrea, Maggie)? I think Carol's going to perish soon - she, like T-Dog are nearly 'red shirt' status at this point. With Lori's emerging Donna Reed/Queen-to-Rick's-King persona and Andrea a former-lawyer-now-sharpshooter zombie assassin, more interesting sparks would surely fly. Maggie's unlikely to align with either one. Not going to be much Charlie's Angels camaraderie in that trio.

[RedKnightt]

Okay, here's my random pet peeve: Both Shane and Rick are trained LEOs, with several years on the force each, it seems. Herschel's not a dumb guy, neither is Glenn, Daryl, Carol, or frankly, most of them. So..

Why does no one carry a friggin radio?

Seriously, we see a radio for all of 30 seconds in the pilot, and it's ignored since then. A couple of decent ranged handsets, one withe the main group and one with anyone who goes out, say into the woods or to town to find a lost party member. Even portable CBs are not hard to find and keep going. I realize the group has trouble communicating with each other, but that's a choice, not a technology restriction Cops use radios all the time, to check in, to update, to advise on status. It should be a habit Shane and Rick get the others into, not one they drop.

/rant

[ineffableone]

Can TWD/AMC afford three strong women in the cast (Lori, Andrea, Maggie)? I think Carol's going to perish soon - she, like T-Dog are nearly 'red shirt' status at this point. With Lori's emerging Donna Reed/Queen-to-Rick's-King persona and Andrea a former-lawyer-now-sharpshooter zombie assassin, more interesting sparks would surely fly. Maggie's unlikely to align with either one. Not going to be much Charlie's Angels camaraderie in that trio.

It is obvious Carol still has some important roll with Daryl. Will Carol die after, or with him? I think the group of strong women has to do with counter pointing the strong male dynamic. Pointing out how while the men are having their pissing contests for power and leadership, that same thing is happening with the women on a different path.

I agree the social dynamic of the PAW is what makes these stories interesting. It is one of the reasons I loved the PAW book Earth Abides, it chronicled the social side very well. Yes in TV the drama can get a bit over done, but in general this is a decent telling of how messed up a group of random strangers fighting for their lives can get. Remember sleep deprivation and other factors can have a large effect on your emotions.

Very good point on how the kid, or this group either really had little choice on what group they joined up with. It was join the group there at the time, or die alone. The kid even said something to that effect.

This is why I said a while back ago on page 130

You know what Walking Dead needs,

A run in with a successful group. Wouldn't it be nice to have a group drop by who had their shit together, no idiots messing up all the time. They stop hang out for an episode with Rick, Glenn, Dale, and Shane. At the end they shake their heads, say you all are hopeless zombie bait, and leave laughing at the idiots they bumped into.

It would be so wonderful to have a show point out how dysfunctional the main group is by introducing us to a successful well working group who encounters the main group and tells them you guys are hopeless and we want nothing to do with you.

[ineffableone]

Okay, here's my random pet peeve: Both Shane and Rick are trained LEOs, with several years on the force each, it seems. Herschel's not a dumb guy, neither is Glenn, Daryl, Carol, or frankly, most of them. So..

Why does no one carry a friggin radio?

Seriously, we see a radio for all of 30 seconds in the pilot, and it's ignored since then. A couple of decent ranged handsets, one withe the main group and one with anyone who goes out, say into the woods or to town to find a lost party member. Even portable CBs are not hard to find and keep going. I realize the group has trouble communicating with each other, but that's a choice, not a technology restriction Cops use radios all the time, to check in, to update, to advise on status. It should be a habit Shane and Rick get the others into, not one they drop.

/rant

Well for awhile power might have been the issue why. They did have a radio they sort of used in the RV, but it was spotty at best. I do agree radios would be a great thing for them, especially since half the time nobody knows where everyone else is.

At Hershel's farm they haver a generator so they have power, they could keep radios charged and everyone carrying one. I would have everyone with a radio at all times. That way if they needed help or found something others are a call away.

[EricinVirginia]

LOL... I love this thread. Point by point...
- Yes, they loaded the gas cans in the car before saving Shane.
- the kid knows they know Maggie and where her farm is. He either has to join them or they have to kill him. Those are the choices and no one wants him to join them it seems... maybe he said some dumb things while they were operating on him? He had to have been with them for a while after Hershel fixed his leg up. The thing is... that farm and community is soooo far off the beaten path that what are the odds this other group just happened to find their way there? I think the kid was leading them there in the first place.
- The kid's group... when confronting a new survivor group, you don't walk in all cocky like. There were two of them. They could have called out, or 1 could have walked in while the other covered his back. It's what I think I would have done. Even calling out from a distance, if they respond at least you know they're willing to talk. Even Shane I believe would have had his guard up, pumped for info, and then upon reaching an impasse, he would have backed out very carefully. The two Philly cheesesteaks did not... the continued the confrontation and instead of owning the reality of the situation they kept making excuses. Their psychology was all messed up and the fat dude was waaaayyyy too fat for a zPAW.
- Shane and Rick, good they had it out. I hope Shane gets with the program. The issue here now is that Andrea has alienated Hershel's group big time and in a bad way. I think that she and Shane will band together but I think Shane ends up sticking around. Shane is the foil to the walkers... he's a living human who reactively kills anyone close to him. At some point, he'll either heal or he'll kill someone in the group... I'm guessing Andrea.
- Knife folders through a skull? Maybe, but it seems improbable... unless the walker skulls are rotting as bad as their skin is. Shovels... 'nuff said. Sharp pointy sticks. Anything would be better than something that requires you to get that close to the walkers. Won't they learn that government facilities, right now today are full of zombies, and in zPAW will also be full of zombies? The Dept of Public Works... how ironic.
- Shane coming clean with Rick about Otis... about time. I was dissappointed with Rick's reaction. I was expecting a more honorable and righteous wrath type of reaction as opposed to "I would have done it too!" On the flip side, I was glad to see Shane finally say it, "I didn't save them. They saved me." While Shane is acting like a douche, I like his character.

[Akin]

Radios... another topic my buddies and I have bitched about (both in the comic and the series). Even little FRS radios running off of AA batteries would be better than what they do know...

[JustInCase]

Didn't they use radios in the Atlanta / tank episodes?

[RickOShea]

Radios... another topic my buddies and I have bitched about (both in the comic and the series). Even little FRS radios running off of AA batteries would be better than what they do know...

You never seem to see them using them, but they do have some hand-helds. Remember when Carl got caught with the revolver and Dale said he'd allowed him to go into the RV because "He said he needed a walkie".

Whether they're rechargable or use regular batteries I have no idea cause I can't recall getting a good look at what they're using.

[taz-hein]

Rick's "I would have done it too!"

I was hoping that was a cops jedi mind trick. "Yeah, I know why you killed that old lady for her welfare check so you could get high. I would have done that too."

now sign this confession and I'll go get the DA.

he can't well tell him that he's a murderer and we're going to hang you when we get back.

if that is not the case Rick's just has messed up as Shane. There have been lots of times when people have been backed into a corner with zombies coming. Only with Otis did they shoot someone to make their getaway easier.

[JustInCase]

I enjoyed the show last night. What was the thing about the two guards not having bite wounds? Is this leading up to something. I am beginning to believe that the "infection" is not in a zombie's blood.




If I was Rick, good ol' Shane would still be on the bus.

[RickOShea]

I enjoyed the show last night. What was the thing about the two guards not having bite wounds? Is this leading up to something. I am beginning to believe that the "infection" is not in a zombie's blood.

They figured it out in the graphic novels, don't know when they will on the show.

If Rick really doesn't know the truth, then we're back to wondering what Jenner told him at the CDC.

[SeerSavant]

About the other group, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't in fact mirror the main group quite a bit... Nebraska and fat boy in the bar could have been to Shanesque examples. If Shane was attacked, then Rick et al, would try and rescue him...
This isn't about the other group being evil marauders...

I think the impression is that the other group is "dangerous" to them.
And after their first meeting, the danger is all the more likely, so it makes sense for them to take the boy prisoner, and get whatever information they can get...

But from there, I would keep a low profile, and avoid them... (something I pretty much figure the group will do the complete opposite from)

Arguments from each member, all have their valid points, and really are good arguments, but you can't run this kind of group by committee... There needs to be one clear leader. Rick, faults aside, should be it. The others are making valid points, and Rick needs to listen more than he does, but they can't group discuss every decision.

As far as the kid... First; he was part of the group that attacked them, so while, he may have been simply doing his part, the stage has been set. He was on the other side, right or wrong, and is very much the enemy. If he can lead the other group to them, it won't be for some kind of parlay, unless it's to scope out the other groups strengths and weaknesses (both sides) and with 4 dead (well, one assumed dead) the other group is probably set on the road to revenge... So the rest of who is right or wrong, or why is all pretty much beside the point.
Second, he began to turn on his group pretty quick, and this could either be honest, or a defense mechanism to get to escape, or even the plea of a boy who fell in with bad folk and sees a group he'd rather help... After all, they did save his life when his own group left him... But, he strikes me (so far) as a kid with absolutely no loyalties... And would turn on their group as well, given half a chance at saving his own skin..
The boy's a heel. Not afraid of fighting, but a coward nevertheless...

Like it or not, there's a war brewing, and it looks like the season is going to close with some pretty exciting fireworks...


Also, to add to the other nitpicky things... Howzabout some honest scavanging, not just, hey we found a nearly intact store, lets go there only when we need something...
Fer crying out loud, there in Georgia... Would it be so hard for them to swing into a sporting goods store?

Well, all the little moments at least are balanced with some really well developed characters, and dialogue that really doesn't sell anyone short... They've managed some pretty damn good drama here...