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Re: "Walking Dead" New Cable Series

Postby Akin » Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:33 pm

Zombies And SlimJims wrote:Am I the only one who wasn't a fan of this new "blood baiting" method? I mean, it's one thing if the zombies we're THAT attracted to it since day one, but they haven't been, and it just seemed like it was the more "convenient" method, instead of having to think of something else to fill in the few minute gap in this episode. When T-Dog ripped his arm open during that highway walker pass-by scene, he was GUSHING blood, squirting everywhere..and he just hid under a few corpses and the walkers passed directly over him without so much as a glance down..in this episode they we're after the stuff like vampires. I dunno, just seemed like we were dealing with two different types of zombies or something.


Horrible, horrible idea... blood borne pathogens are bad enough in a world where there isn't some horrible virulent strain of walking death floating about...

Did Shane clean his knife after he killed the one zombie but before he slashed his freaking palm open?

Speaking of that, what is it in film where when someone decides that shedding their blood is the best course of action, they inflict a gash right across an area you don't really want cut up? Right across the palm? You don't think that thing healing might be an issue in a place like that? Worse offender ever was The Thing (1982) where MacReady didn't just nick his thumb, he slashed it wide open to get a blood sample to test... is there a finger more important than your freaking thumb?
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Re: "Walking Dead" New Cable Series

Postby SeerSavant » Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:43 pm

Huh.....

Kinda jumbled... Cutting yourself and spreading the blood... What, do zombies go by smell? Are they making zombie rules here? Can we all say contrived plot device?
Also, I guess becoming a walking corpse makes the bone in your skull soften into something more like pumpkin rind... and yeah, unless they have a secret stash of neosporin hidden off camera, it's incredibly irresponsible... The idea is sound (using knives, not cutting yourself after they've seen you and are already walking towards you) but having the zeds go ape over a smear of blood...
Why the hell aren't they licking the walls and floor of everyplace they find...
Blood as plot device...... Huge fail.


That aside...
I saw what Rick was trying to do, he's offering an olive branch to Shane, trying to set some rules, see if Shane can abide by, trying to reason with him. Force his will on him to say it as it is.
No one elected Rick as leader, it's just something he assumed, so I'm not saying he's right.
But Shane's at least not behind his back anymore... It's out in the open, and Rick giving Shane (for lack of a better description) an opportunity to restart their friendship (I think Rick is the only one who still think it exists, or perhaps they both are simply going thru the motions...)
Going back for Shane should have been enough. Rick has gone as far as he needs to go...

But if I read Shane right, he will see all this as a kind of weakness. And in a way he's right, hell they both are right...
This isn't a black and white choice here...
But Shane couches his obsession in what's good for the group, so it's kind of a hollow argument.

The new kid... He's no coward, sure, but he's also a fair weather type... Path of least resistance... That bullshit about being with the other group for safety seems hollow...
In the previews, I can hope that Daryl has better luck.

In the previews, I can also tell that this episode will be totally redundant, the only thing solved was the girl's suicide attempt and her getting it "out of her system", as it were.
Lori had Andrea right when she told maggie that it was the right idea, wrong way of going about it.
Course, Lori needs to get her head out of her ass.

Yeah, she sees it one way, but Andrea see's it another... Neither is right or wrong... they're both right, and their both wrong in how they go about it...

(Echoes of Tyreese's daughter and her boyfriend in the conversation between Maggie and her sister, I thought.)

I reiterate that I think Shane will be betrayed in some fashion by Andrea, both for the good of the group, and to win back some points for herself... She's as hard as Shane, and while she went about it the wrong way (like Shane) it was her way of trying to help someone else for little personal gain (unlike Shane).

So, Rick seems to be retaining his balls... if not his brain. Shane is and apparently continues to be the King of Douchebags. Andrea is growing into something different, heavily influenced by Shane, and yet, not Shane, 2.0... Lori is arrogant, and acting as if Ricks leadership (implied if not fully followed) some how extends to her...

All in all, lotsa cool zombie action, but the start off with a bang, back up and tell it all up to that point schtick has been done a hundred times before, and the story was 100 percent redundant (suicide attempt aside) as it looks from the preview that with Shane's comment, and their interrogation of the kid (who I feel absolutely no sympathy for, as he did try and kill Hershel, Glenn, and Rick... Sorry bud, but you saddled your horse to the wrong team.)

So, I guess we'll try and move the plot along next week... I hope Carl's absence means that he's been sharpening his shooting ability. :wink:

All said... I think this episode was mainly filler...




Still love the show, but tonight was kinda weak... Although a weak Walking Dead episode is still better than the best episode of the other zombie shows.... Wait... oh yeah, this is the ONLY zombie show...
So, yeah... I'll put up with it, there was enough eye candy and some fun moments...
In fact, there were a few moments that I really liked.

Like Shane trying the blood trick, and actually having an Oh Shit it works moment.

Rick thinking ahead, and his conversations with Shane actually showed a level of maturity with Ricks handling of a touchy subject, while showing Shane's lack of maturity, further identifying the differences between the two... Friends as a result of habit, rather than any genuine feeling left.

Andrea, she's showing that while she thinks along the same way as Shane, she is most importantly, not Shane, I dunno, her exchange with Lori was a joy to watch... This is truly a woman who's dispensing with all the niceties and soft pedal approach that this kind of world has no time for anymore.

The exchange between maggie and her sister... So many echoes of Tyreese's daughter and her boyfriend in this, that it seems almost forshadowing, the girl wasn't wrong in her thinking anymore than she was right... Very fuzzy moral issues at play here...

And that moment that Rick looked down at the two officers.... They hadn't been bitten... but they turned... Maybe Jenner told him to expect this, that all people had the virus within them, and would turn upon death... maybe, say, a suicide would settle the issue?
But I think his staring at them also served to remind himself something that Shane has forgotten... They were officer's of the law at not to long ago...
Whether or not they remember it, directly influences their decision skills.
Shane is a survival first guy, while Rick still has a moral compass, and probably is the only thing even resembling law and order left.
He went back to get Shane, not because he wanted to, or even that it was smart...
But because it was the right thing to do...

And the very act, proves to Shane, that Rick is soft, when to Rick, he was obeying a sense of honor...Nothing to do with Shane's life, and everything to do with Ricks.



So... I enjoyed it, enjoyed the little bits, but it was a weak episode...
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Re: "Walking Dead" New Cable Series

Postby zombicide_x » Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:51 pm

I really hated how this episode was edited, they kept abruptly cutting back and forth between violent zombat and domestic drama. The rapid changes in pacing was disconcerting. :x
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Re: "Walking Dead" New Cable Series

Postby RickOShea » Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:52 pm

Rick seemed to take it pretty well when Shane admitted that he shot Otis in the leg. I guess he should hope that Rick doesn't let that little gem slip-out infront of the wrong person, like the way Shane let it slip that Lori was preggers. :wink:
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Re: "Walking Dead" New Cable Series

Postby SeerSavant » Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:05 am

RickOShea wrote:Rick seemed to take it pretty well when Shane admitted that he shot Otis in the leg. I guess he should hope that Rick doesn't let that little gem slip-out infront of the wrong person, like the way Shane let it slip that Lori was preggers. :wink:


That's one of the things that irritated me... Rick seemed almost to whine about the whole thing, "I woulda shot him too to save my kid... Honest I would, you don't think I could?"
Well, there's the guy in the trunk, and the fact your trying to say you have the capacity to kill if you need to... Did you forget about the shootout in the bar? C'mon Rick, you shouldn't have to prove anything here....


shane (to his credit) didn't try to cover it up or deny it... he even tried to explain...

And yeah, I don't think it has occured to Shane, that admitting he killed Otis is a very VERY dangerous thing to have out there....
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Re: "Walking Dead" New Cable Series

Postby Mr. E. Monkey » Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:28 am

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Mr. E. Monkey wrote:Kid helps Rick save Shane, and Rick is still considering killing him? And saving a guy that just tried to kill you what, three, four times? Just now? Shane must've hit him in the head pretty hard.


Yeah but in fairness, you could flip that right around and ask "okay, so you're gonna leave your partner of x years and a guy who you've been surviving with because he tossed a wrench at you with a kid you saved after he shot at you?"


Tossed a wrench, tried to shoot him, went for Rick's gun, dropped a motorcycle on him, etc...maybe it's a failing on my part, but I'd have a hard time going back to save that guy.
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Re: "Walking Dead" New Cable Series

Postby MVegas » Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:49 am

Mr. E. Monkey wrote:
MVegas wrote:
Mr. E. Monkey wrote:Kid helps Rick save Shane, and Rick is still considering killing him? And saving a guy that just tried to kill you what, three, four times? Just now? Shane must've hit him in the head pretty hard.


Yeah but in fairness, you could flip that right around and ask "okay, so you're gonna leave your partner of x years and a guy who you've been surviving with because he tossed a wrench at you with a kid you saved after he shot at you?"


Tossed a wrench, tried to shoot him, went for Rick's gun, dropped a motorcycle on him, etc...maybe it's a failing on my part, but I'd have a hard time going back to save that guy.


I hear ya. And Crom knows, I've been looking forward to Shane getting his.
I think that part of it, Seer had right. It was about doing what was right. Rick, despite living in a world where such things no longer exist, is trying to live by his code of honor. You never leave your partner for dead. Under any circumstances.
I'm not necessarily saying it was the right course, though. :wink:

What I like about it is the debt. As in, the one Shane now owes. Shane has to think to himself "F*** me, I try to kill the guy, and he risks his ass to save me."

This, on top of the conversation he and Rick had where he was basically granted "clemency", if you will, has to really be burning Shane's ass.
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Re: "Walking Dead" New Cable Series

Postby Akin » Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:29 am

tireiron wrote:Song from the episode where Rick plugged the two punks in the bar is "The Regulator", by Clutch.


Made a new Walking Dead music thread in case anyone else was interested...

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Re: "Walking Dead" New Cable Series

Postby angelofwar » Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:36 am

Am I the only one that thought a baby zed was gonna crawl out and bite Shane on the leg when he wasn't suspecting it??? I thought for a few times he was done that episode.

My notes from this episode:
-Shane paused to look at that childs car-seat on the bus: He was thinking one of two things: "Do I want a kid in this shit???", or "The unborn baby is still mine!!!".
-Shane should realize by now (in the words of my dad) "He aint runnin' shit!" Rick coulda/woulda/shoulda left him for a zombie snack...but he didn't. Count yer blessings Shane.
-On a side note, I really hoped from the beginning of S1E1 that Shane wouldn't have turned out to be such a loose cannon...I mean, he's a nice guy...as long as everything is going his way. He's "tactical" and a survivor, and I was looking forward to him and Rick being zombie slaying bad asses for the whole series...but, Shane moral choices have left me perplexed...fer-shame.
-Rick knows the kid they saved was/is somebodies kid...I still have to give Rick prop's for "Keeping the fire burning". Being right might get ya killed, but I'm not sure I could live as an evil person. So again, props to Rick for keeping his heart in it (for now...).
-The "no scratches" on the cops is really getting me interested into the inside stor yof the infection...I'm thinking like a few of you are, that the infection is already there. It's dormant in some (the cops from this episode), some people only turn after they've died, or are bitten. Here's what we have for ZED's thus far
- The cops from this episode were apparently unscathed, but still turned.
- Hannah; She died...she was chewed up like leather and likely died from blood loss. So she died, was dead, and then turned.

But what about all the bodies outside the hospital on episode one??? they all weren't shot in the head...how come they didn't turn??? Sophia...how come she wasn't aten??? Ok, so she got bit...zombies don't go around biting people, they eat them...so 90% of the ZED's that weren;t eaten must have turned naturally, right???

I like the line from the preview for next weeks episode when Andrea tells Shane "Ricks the one in charge", and he says "Not for long he ain't". What! Rick just saved yer ass...my bet is Shane tries to surplant Rick, and Carls makes him eat lead...
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Re: "Walking Dead" New Cable Series

Postby Akin » Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:05 am

angelofwar wrote:But what about all the bodies outside the hospital on episode one??? they all weren't shot in the head...how come they didn't turn??? Sophia...how come she wasn't aten??? Ok, so she got bit...zombies don't go around biting people, they eat them...so 90% of the ZED's that weren;t eaten must have turned naturally, right???


My take on that is that when someone gets mobbed by a swarm, of course there's not enough left to rise up again... but if someone is being attacked, they might still escape after being mauled, and then they'll crawl off and die. In many universes, the simplest bite causes an eventually lethal infection, followed by re-animation.

"I've seen half-a-dozen guys in my unit get bitten by those things. None of them lasted more than... three days."

Even if someone doesn't escape the zombie attack, if there's only one or two zombies, the victim might reanimate before enough damage was inflicted to prevent it from walking around. Or dragging itself along, in the case of Bicycle Girl... anyway, at some point the attacking zombie realizes that it's victim is no longer human, but rather a fellow zombie; and it'll wander off to find fresh prey... joined by a brand new member of the horde...

As for all the stacked corpses, how do we know that the brain wasn't destroyed on all of them? We don't actually see any that aren't wrapped up, do we?... at some point the staff would have realized what was happening, and they'd have started to take steps to protect themselves as they tried to do their jobs...
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Re: "Walking Dead" New Cable Series

Postby angelofwar » Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:20 am

Yeah Akin...I just wanna know what this "thing is"...I hope they show/tell/explain to us at the end of this season or season three. I was able to figure out the first time watching 28-Days later that the Rage was 1) Transferable by blood, or 2) You can get it the same way the monkeys did; by seeing too much violence, as what happened to the main character at the end...he was never infected, he just got it. So I guess, even with just a small scratch/bite, you can get it, and even if you don't "die", you "succumb" to the infection, and then turn later??? If every-one's already "infected", will Lori's baby (assuming it doesn't end up a Zombie snack), be born a ZED??? This is all theoretical of course, but I wanna know what Jenner said to Rick. If what Jenner said to Rick caused Jenner to "opt-out", it must have meant pretty grim consequeces...or "zero-hope".
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Re: "Walking Dead" New Cable Series

Postby Akin » Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:35 am

angelofwar wrote:Yeah Akin...I just wanna know what this "thing is"...I hope they show/tell/explain to us at the end of this season or season three. I was able to figure out the first time watching 28-Days later that the Rage was 1) Transferable by blood, or 2) You can get it the same way the monkeys did; by seeing too much violence, as what happened to the main character at the end...he was never infected, he just got it. So I guess, even with just a small scratch/bite, you can get it, and even if you don't "die", you "succumb" to the infection, and then turn later??? If every-one's already "infected", will Lori's baby (assuming it doesn't end up a Zombie snack), be born a ZED??? This is all theoretical of course, but I wanna know what Jenner said to Rick. If what Jenner said to Rick caused Jenner to "opt-out", it must have meant pretty grim consequeces...or "zero-hope".


Well, I'm a zombie purist, the things in 28 Days Later were Infected, not zombies. Still had a pulse as opposed to being walking corpses... hence the successful tactic of starving them out. It was also so virulent that you turned within seconds of being exposed... they drop in the eye was cool...

When did the main character get Raged? There's no cure, and at the end they had set up a happy home and were waiting to be rescued, so I didn't think he'd ever been infected...

I got the impression that they'd been doing all sorts of stuff to the chimps, not that they became infected simply by watching TV... wasn't it a bio-research lab or something?

Anyway, in The Walking Dead, I wouldn't be surprised if it's never explained. They've already been to the CDC, and they still don't know... where else would they find someone with answers? It's just something that happened...

In the classic Romero movies, did we ever discover if everyone turned, or only those killed by zombies? Peter died, but of course he let himself get bit...

Waaaay back in the '80s, while playing the old pen-and-paper RPG Aftermath!, our zombie world games basically had the earth passing through the dust trail of a comet, and that was what did it. In the long-time-later games (100 years after The Fall), the earth had moved through the dust trail and corpses were no longer rising (though the old walkers were still doing just fine, since no living thing would feed on them, not even the tiniest bacteria), and it was still part of every culture's death rituals to destroy the brain of a loved one as soon as they die. Our characters were some of the first to discover that the dead were no longer rising... damn I wish I had a chronicle of those old games...
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Re: "Walking Dead" New Cable Series

Postby Akin » Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:42 am

angelofwar wrote:If every-one's already "infected", will Lori's baby (assuming it doesn't end up a Zombie snack), be born a ZED???


Well, assuming the baby is born normally, I don't see why it would be a zombie.

That would suck royally with a stillbirth or something, if everyone turns upon death... the fetus dies and becomes a hungry zombie inside the mother's womb...
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"Walking Dead" New Cable Series

Postby Silent Kube » Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:55 am

I just wanted to mention that I think Andrea's logic is flawed. Seems to me that her getting past being suicidal is an argument against letting the girl try to kill herself. It was the fact that she was denied the opportunity that allowed her to get past it. If her gun hadn't been taken away, she likely would have done it rather than getting past it. Just my opinion.
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Re: "Walking Dead" New Cable Series

Postby gunsandrockets » Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:10 am

Re: blood baiting

My biggest issues with blood-baiting was the methods used, not the result.

Even if you cut yourself with a clean implement, what of wiping an open wound on a dirty surface? :shock: Even if you don't pick up the Zed disease there are plenty of other nasty infections that could kill you when you lack modern antibiotics.

The second thing is, using a folding knife for a skull stab? Even if you penetrate the skull, the chance of slicing up your own hand if it slips down the handle is too great a risk to take. And then just as Shane illustrated, it's too easy for a broad blade to get stuck in the skull.

Now what they could use for such a job instead of a knife, is a meat carving fork or BBQ fork. These are dirt cheap and can be found everywhere in supermarkets, mom&pop corner stores and department stores. This is a tool much more suitable for the zombie skull stab.

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Re: "Walking Dead" New Cable Series

Postby akhilleus514 » Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:13 am

Oh, man. Lots of shark jumping on this one. I'm having trouble giving the writers leeway on these last episodes since the series resumed. It's not like there isn't already plenty of drama in their world of clumsy but dangerous bitey-chompey things; they have to inject more at every turn with incredibly poor decision-making skills. Let's break it down into pieces.

Rick and Shane are caught in a bad Bromance. I liked how they were trying to work things out at the beginning, but after the wrench throwing spectacle, I'm done. Shane was ostensibly back and together with Rick in a dynamic tactical environment, trying to make some tough choices that are far-reaching in their implications, but Rick has to shoulder the Glock aside so Shane doesn't shoot the bound prisoner? Someone needs to tattoo "Poor Impulse Control" on that dick bag's forehead. But ol' Rick just shrugs it off "Oh you rascal, Shane, what's that, the fifth time you've tried to kill me? I'm sorta hurt, kinda."

They're cutting themselves? Where are the crowbars in this strange planet? If zeds hunt by smell, they need to always hunt by smell.

Leaving that kid out there after having spent only the week to heal him makes no sense. He's walking a little too well anyway, considering what that wound looked like last episode. Leaving him out there is the same as shooting him while he was stuck to that fence, but with less direct guilt. They should have just saved the medical supplies and done for him. Or keep him under observation and question him.

I don't like what the writers have done with Lori. She's so damn aggravating, it's too easy to hate her, which is cheap. I also think the kitchen scene could have been so much more interesting. If Andrea wants to do the man things, she should be pissed that Lori expect her to do the women things. Andrea screwed the pooch, yes, but again, what were the writers thinking? She dresses down Shane in the previous episode for mismanaging his execution of things in regards to the group. and then does pretty much exactly that now? That shit was not her call to make.

Where the hell are Glen and T-Dog? Oh, that's right, there's no moment where T-Dog needs to get that look on his face, point at something and say "What the Hell is that?" Just once, I want him to say "What is that smell?"

Bleh. Still gonna watch next week, though.
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Re: "Walking Dead" New Cable Series

Postby surt » Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:11 am

Anyone else think the preview for next week episode where Shane insinuates that Rick shouldn't be in charge is just some clever editing? I think the whole "Shane VS Rich" thing is over with. If they continued that element of the plot one of them would eventually have to die, obviously Shane, but I think he's too much of a major player in the series now for them to let him go. The comic fans will be saddened but I think Shane is in it for the long run.
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Re: "Walking Dead" New Cable Series

Postby gunsandrockets » Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:13 am

ep: 18 miles

I was impressed how Rick, no doubt using his cop skills, easily got Shane to confess to the murder of Otis. Probably the oldest trick in the book, making the suspect think you know much more than you really do know, and then letting guilt and the desire to confess do the rest.
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Re: "Walking Dead" New Cable Series

Postby Mannlicher » Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:44 am

Zombies And SlimJims wrote:Am I the only one who wasn't a fan of this new "blood baiting" method? I mean, it's one thing if the zombies we're THAT attracted to it since day one, but they haven't been, and it just seemed like it was the more "convenient" method, instead of having to think of something else to fill in the few minute gap in this episode. When T-Dog ripped his arm open during that highway walker pass-by scene, he was GUSHING blood, squirting everywhere..and he just hid under a few corpses and the walkers passed directly over him without so much as a glance down..in this episode they we're after the stuff like vampires. I dunno, just seemed like we were dealing with two different types of zombies or something.


or we are dealing with an inept script writer that had a brain fart. I am still not happy with the script, the plot, the direction of the story or the competency of writer(s) on technical details.

..........and if they have found a tanker truck, why just siphon off a few gallons, and ............and then leave the cans they filled on the ground?

Daryl turns into a Gestapo inquisitor? Beating the young boy like that?
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Re: "Walking Dead" New Cable Series

Postby Paladin1 » Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:29 am

Shane is broken. I don't think Rick can bring him back into the fold.

During the fight between them I don't think either one was actually trying to kill the other, They were alpha's establishing leadership. And working out a little repressed anger along the way. (The wrench wasn't even close)

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Blood baiting, it's already been said, but really? The walkers are coming after you anyway, attracted by sight, sound, (and it appears smell) why wound yourself and risk infection when they are coming anyway!!

And great a real freaking knife, I was advocating short spears right from the start.
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Re: "Walking Dead" New Cable Series

Postby HKTackDriver » Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:47 am

Love the show, but this season has definitely lost the magic of the first season. I'm very disappointed.

Major problem I have is that when they cut the kid loose, if they were going to kill him because he knew where Hershel's farm is, great, kill him. But the crap they appear to be doing next episode is ridiculous. First off, they didn't interogate him prior to this attempt at "cut and release." NOW they're pumping him for info???? It's just not making a whole lot of sense at all.

And Andrea letting a hysterical teen "decide" whether to kill herself or not is an immediate booting from Hershel's zombie free zone. Life is too precious, especially that of your HOST to allow a little girl to make that decision. What if she did it right with a gun?

PS. Pro tip, up the tracks, not across them! :mrgreen:
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Re: "Walking Dead" New Cable Series

Postby HuntingBow96 » Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:54 am

More Daryl screen time needed.... :lol:
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Re: "Walking Dead" New Cable Series

Postby taz-hein » Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:10 am

Rick: 'You dumb-ass, I got you to confess to murdering Otis'

Shane: 'OK, I'll come back into the group, now that you're sure I'm a cold blooded killer. Remember it was all to save your son, you pu$$y'

Rick: 'Yeah, I'm still the alpha male, despite the first season and a half. I'm gonna go pee on that tree.

Shane: 'Trying to rape your wife when we were all safe in the CDC compound. That was for Carl too.'

Rich: 'What?'

Shane: 'Nut'n'
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Re: "Walking Dead" New Cable Series

Postby Arkane » Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:33 am

I'm betting Shane's demise is right at the end of this season and left in doubt to build anticipation for the next season.
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