Waffen Werks AK 54 R hi-cap mag legality and legitimacy

[che4rev]

I want this gun, it is a PSL evilized with a pistol grip.

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct886.aspx

It takes the standard foreign made 10rnd PSL magazine. I have yet to see any high capacity magazines for the PSL. I don't know if this is due to the relative obscurity of the rifle or the legality (922r) of producing or using one. I am told by my friend that they will accept a Finnish DP-26 20 rnd magazine. So, these are the facts as I see them; 1. the rifle is imported with a legal Dragunov-style stock, 2. it employs a 10 round magazine with no high capacity equivalents, 3. someone is converting them to have a pistol grip and is selling them on a major website (so I assume that they are legal in that configuration).

Is this weapon only 922r compliant because it only accepts 10rnd magazines?

If I put in a 20 round magazine would it need to have the correct number of American parts?

Does it already have the correct number of American parts?

Are any American-made high capacity magazines?

Do these DP-26 magazines really fit and function in the PSL?

Were there ever any DP-26 magazines imported?

I searched and found no threads about this question.

[Polley]

I want this gun, it is a PSL evilized with a pistol grip.

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct886.aspx

It takes the standard foreign made 10rnd PSL magazine. I have yet to see any high capacity magazines for the PSL. I don't know if this is due to the relative obscurity of the rifle or the legality (922r) of producing or using one. I am told by my friend that they will accept a Finnish DP-26 20 rnd magazine. So, these are the facts as I see them; 1. the rifle is imported with a legal Dragunov-style stock, 2. it employs a 10 round magazine with no high capacity equivalents, 3. someone is converting them to have a pistol grip and is selling them on a major website (so I assume that they are legal in that configuration).

Is this weapon only 922r compliant because it only accepts 10rnd magazines?

If I put in a 20 round magazine would it need to have the correct number of American parts?

Does it already have the correct number of American parts?

Are any American-made high capacity magazines?

Do these DP-26 magazines really fit and function in the PSL?

Were there ever any DP-26 magazines imported?

I searched and found no threads about this question.

I would assume a non-American magazine would not make it count towards 922r since it wouldn't be American parts? To my understanding, if you have [i]some[/i US-made parts, you have to get it up to 922r. Not totally 100% sure, so I'd wait for more solid replies from the more informed members here. I'm just kind of assuming on this.

[AKFTW]

I want this gun, it is a PSL evilized with a pistol grip.

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct886.aspx

It takes the standard foreign made 10rnd PSL magazine. I have yet to see any high capacity magazines for the PSL. I don't know if this is due to the relative obscurity of the rifle or the legality (922r) of producing or using one. I am told by my friend that they will accept a Finnish DP-26 20 rnd magazine. So, these are the facts as I see them; 1. the rifle is imported with a legal Dragunov-style stock, 2. it employs a 10 round magazine with no high capacity equivalents, 3. someone is converting them to have a pistol grip and is selling them on a major website (so I assume that they are legal in that configuration).

Is this weapon only 922r compliant because it only accepts 10rnd magazines?

If I put in a 20 round magazine would it need to have the correct number of American parts?

Does it already have the correct number of American parts?

Are any American-made high capacity magazines?

Do these DP-26 magazines really fit and function in the PSL?

Were there ever any DP-26 magazines imported?

I searched and found no threads about this question.

I would assume a non-American magazine would not make it count towards 922r since it wouldn't be American parts? To my understanding, if you have [i]some[/i US-made parts, you have to get it up to 922r. Not totally 100% sure, so I'd wait for more solid replies from the more informed members here. I'm just kind of assuming on this.

They are already more than 922r compliant.

Trigger group -3
Receiver -1
Furniture -3
Gas Piston- 1

You need 6, so you could actually put another 2 foreign parts on there and still be good to go.

Personally if I had one, I'd put a US made AKML flash hider on it, then throw some beat up AKM wood and a bakelite PG on there along with a PSO-1 for a real "Chechen DMR" look Damn... I want one now!

[Polley]

Whatever happened to PSLs, anyway? A few years ago, I saw them going for like $600 or $700. Now I can barely find any under $900.

[Kutter_0311]

That looks nice! How does x54R stack up against .308?

FWIW, here's a 922r calculator for AK's. AK mag = 3 parts

Looks like it may even take a bayonet. Don't just kill, overkill!

[Polley]

That looks nice! How does x54R stack up against .308?

FWIW, here's a 922r calculator for AK's. AK mag = 3 parts

Looks like it may even take a bayonet. Don't just kill, overkill!

I believe the PSL accepts regular AK-47 bayonets (both the stock PSL and the "modernized" PSLs that are for sale).

[che4rev]

Don't just kill, overkill!

Nobody ever complained about being killed too dead.

Edit: And by nobody, I mean zombies, not people. I love all of God's creatures.

[DarkAxel]

I want this gun, it is a PSL evilized with a pistol grip.

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct886.aspx

It takes the standard foreign made 10rnd PSL magazine. I have yet to see any high capacity magazines for the PSL. I don't know if this is due to the relative obscurity of the rifle or the legality (922r) of producing or using one. I am told by my friend that they will accept a Finnish DP-26 20 rnd magazine. So, these are the facts as I see them; 1. the rifle is imported with a legal Dragunov-style stock, 2. it employs a 10 round magazine with no high capacity equivalents, 3. someone is converting them to have a pistol grip and is selling them on a major website (so I assume that they are legal in that configuration).

Is this weapon only 922r compliant because it only accepts 10rnd magazines?

If I put in a 20 round magazine would it need to have the correct number of American parts?

Does it already have the correct number of American parts?

Are any American-made high capacity magazines?

Do these DP-26 magazines really fit and function in the PSL?

Were there ever any DP-26 magazines imported?

I searched and found no threads about this question.

Chances are the mags that ships with that rifle are foreign surplus, so don't sweat the 922r issue.

The reason there's no real hi-cap mags for them has to do with the rifle's intended role. They were made as DMRs, and hi-cap mags really get in the way when shooting prone.

Now that outfitting them like AKs is all the rage, someone should make reliable 20 rounders for them. I'm sure there's a market for that.

[benja455]

Tag for future reference. I've been thinking about something like this for a while now.

[AKFTW]

I totally want one of these to do a Chechen WTFBR build:


Actually wouldn't be that hard to do something like it:
-Vented sheet metal upper handguard
-Shitty $12 romy furniture set from Centerfire

and a Conical AIMR style FH would round it out.

[Polley]

I totally want one of these to do a Chechen WTFBR build:


Actually wouldn't be that hard to do something like it:
-Vented sheet metal upper handguard
-Shitty $12 romy furniture set from Centerfire

and a Conical AIMR style FH would round it out.

Khyber PSL?

[AKFTW]

I totally want one of these to do a Chechen WTFBR build:


Actually wouldn't be that hard to do something like it:
-Vented sheet metal upper handguard
-Shitty $12 romy furniture set from Centerfire

and a Conical AIMR style FH would round it out.

Khyber PSL?

A little north- some Chechen frankengun madness. Makes Khyber stuff look legit

[Kutter_0311]

Chechen WTFBR build:

Is that a pair of mags rigged into one? WTF...

[Polley]

I totally want one of these to do a Chechen WTFBR build:


Actually wouldn't be that hard to do something like it:
-Vented sheet metal upper handguard
-Shitty $12 romy furniture set from Centerfire

and a Conical AIMR style FH would round it out.

Khyber PSL?

A little north- some Chechen frankengun madness. Makes Khyber stuff look legit

I knew the Chechens were a bit north (had to do a report over the whole Russians hating them thing), so I guess "Khyber" would be a bad description. Since "mis-matched" AKs are Khyber, shall we refer to these PSL... things... as "Chechnya PSLs"? If so, I have a feeling someone should attempt an underfolding PSL. Just because they can.

[Kutter_0311]

someone should attempt an underfolding PSL. Just because they can.

If you build it, I'll run it at MilCopp as long as I physically can!

Oh, this is gonna hurt...

[Polley]

someone should attempt an underfolding PSL. Just because they can.

If you build it, I'll run it at MilCopp as long as I physically can!

Oh, this is gonna hurt...

If you want to donate the parts, I'd be more than glad to. Since I have no real gunsmithing experience whatsoever, it'll really give it that Chechnyan feel.

[Regular Guy]

That looks nice! How does x54R stack up against .308?
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The 7.62x54R is more on par with the 30-06. I think the x54r is about 200fps faster than the 308. Of course, the 54R is a long action case which isn't necessarily as accurate as the short action 308. the tapered neck of the x54R doesn't lend itself to accuracy for the same reason the x39 neck is detrimental is accuracy, it doesn't have a good purchase on the bullet.

That stated, the tapered neck does aid in reliability. IF the x54r was loaded with a modern ballisitic tip then it would most likely greatly improve the accuracy of the rd. Too bad there are very few .311 bullets that are modern.

Personally, I'd stick with 308 if they are going to produce this rifle in that caliber.

[JesterODX]

I've been looking at the WW AK54's for half a year now. I just keep talking myself out of getting one. Atlantic Firearms has a lot of good guns. I keep looking at the Thompsons too but how practical are they? A few hundred for the drum mags...

I hate their site. Makes me want stuff I dont really need.

[Kutter_0311]

That looks nice! How does x54R stack up against .308?

The 7.62x54R is more on par with the 30-06. I think the x54r is about 200fps faster than the 308. Of course, the 54R is a long action case which isn't necessarily as accurate as the short action 308. the tapered neck of the x54R doesn't lend itself to accuracy for the same reason the x39 neck is detrimental is accuracy, it doesn't have a good purchase on the bullet. That stated, the tapered neck does aid in reliability. IF the x54r was loaded with a modern ballisitic tip then it would most likely greatly improve the accuracy of the rd. Too bad there are very few .311 bullets that are modern.

Personally, I'd stick with 308 if they are going to produce this rifle in that caliber.

Thanks for the info, RG! I guess I always thought of .308 as pretty close to .30-06, as one replaced the other, but I know there is a bit of a gap. 54R sounds like it would mostly extend the range/penetration of my AK-based family organic weapons layout, even if it's not a common US round. That would give us something potent to counter light-skinned vehicles, lions, tigers, bears, maybe even armored aliens

How does 54R stack up price-wise?

[Regular Guy]

How does 54R stack up price-wise?

I believe x54r surplus is much cheaper but be advised, the surplus is machine gun ammo, the Soviets haven't used the x54r in bolt guns for a very long time. The 54r is almost solely an MG rd now. The 54r rds that are used in their DMR guns is I believe a white or grey tip. Even those rds are not that accurate. If you're seriously thinking of using a PSL/Dragonov as a DMR I'd roll my own with modern .311 ballistics tips, using either Winchester or Lapua brass, win. primers and a powder like H4895 or Varget. I bet that would settle the gun down to 2-3MOA, maybe better. If your just feeling spendy, just buy Lapua x54r. S&B would be a choice load as well.