Doomsday Preppers (2nd) 02/07/2012 Nat Geo

[TDW586]

I am familiar with the concept MRE's. I'm not used to them being as compact as the ones he had, I was looking for the specific variety shown. Of course its been a few years since I bought any. But I recall them being in bigger bags.

Were they FSR's? First Strike Rations, google it. I didn't see the show, but that might be what you're talking about.


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[Arkane]

I am familiar with the concept MRE's. I'm not used to them being as compact as the ones he had, I was looking for the specific variety shown. Of course its been a few years since I bought any. But I recall them being in bigger bags.

Were they FSR's? First Strike Rations, google it. I didn't see the show, but that might be what you're talking about.


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The box under the bed contained a lot of stuff taken out of the bag - individual entree boxes and some deboxed stuff. Other than that I didn't see anything other than run of the mill MREs.

[TDW586]

Okay, that makes sense. I never saw the show, just guessing.

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[zeropresence]

Yes arfcom can be immature (you know this is the internet right? seen 4chan.org?) and they don't "censor" but with all that bullshit there is something to respect. ZS is pretty into censoring "illegal" activity to the point of absurdity. Twice now I've seen the neighbor's pool talked about as a water source and mods jump all over that. Also as a LE licensed armor, arfcom is a much better source of firearm related information. If I have a question about something rare, I go there. Also their BOV section has actual BOVs in it. Besides maybe a few dozen amazing rigs, ZS is filled with street queen cars and trucks with a CB radio. ZS's definition of a BOV is it's own and not really on par with reality. So to avoid the immaturity of arfcom and the delusion of ZS, I've grown to love expeditionportal.com. I'm not making this a hate on ZS post, but as immature and crass as arfcom is they don't babysit you and in some areas they are much much better. ZS is a friendly and comfortable starting point for preparedness which is of course it's goal and why I love it, but there are pros and cons to each community. ZS takes the higher road, but I do believe it lacks some major reality that would happen and happen quick in a real SHTF.

As for the topic, can't wait to watch the next two episodes now. Just the previews are making me laugh.

I fully agree that there are topics worthy of discussion that can't be discussed under ZS rules. Nor is ZS end-all and be-all on any topic, nothing is. I like being able to take the best from a lot of different blogs & forums on the internet. But dude, that pool is MY water storage, not my neighbor's, and I appreciate a place where people are reminded that not only should we not count our chickens before they hatch, we definitely shouldn't be counting other people's chickens! I think that's one of ZS's best contributions to the prepping forums.

Not sure if there's more preppers in AZ, but since water is such a huge issue, the more preppers in such places, the better. Water's the biggest reason I will never live in large swaths of CA either...

The problem being that nothing would work like that in a real world SHTF. The fact that there is a need for firearms in SHTF completely kills ZS's rules as being reality. I get the positive image and helping people get into it and all that, but in my humble opinion it's all kinda a joke. A lot of "image" preppers here. I remember when I read The Road, I couldn't even discuss it here, I had to go to another forum.

[TDW586]

So, zeropresence, you feel ARFCOM is better for talking about full-on PAW, where laws no longer apply? I can see that, ZS is focused on more, well....realistic scenarios.

Also, if you're an LEO "armor" (armorer, I assume that's a typo) and you're depending on ARFCOM for firearms info...I really pity your department. Who exactly "licenses" an armorer, by the way? Just wondering.

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[shrapnel]

Please get back on topic. Zeropresence, if you don't like ZS, you're welcome to go elsewhere. Or stay here, that's fine too. Live your own life.

Feel free to take the discussion to PM, anyone who wants to continue this line of talk.

Thanks.

[zeropresence]

So, zeropresence, you feel ARFCOM is better for talking about full-on PAW, where laws no longer apply? I can see that, ZS is focused on more, well....realistic scenarios.

Also, if you're an LEO "armor" (armorer, I assume that's a typo) and you're depending on ARFCOM for firearms info...I really pity your department. Who exactly "licenses" an armorer, by the way? Just wondering.

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I never said I was depending on ARFCOM for info, but thanks for jumping to that. You pity my department? You have no idea who I am or my skill level. I say a positive thing about arfcom and you get personal? Seems you like the "Help me build an AR!" threads, not my style. A little google action will help you with your armorer question. Hint: It's a POST cert.



Ok back on topic and no more bitching about ZS..

Here is my internet vomit on two episodes.

Episode "I hope I am crazy"

Dave: Not as bad as I thought, but his weight and fitness level is to the point where managing anything in SHTF would be very hard. He would need a team to level out his health problems. Shoot and move isn't really an option, plus he has trouble even reaching for a gun. Zero bug out ability. However his knowledge is impressive. +1 on his HF ham setup. Seems like a nice guy, would be a good member of an extended team. I read his back story about his health issues which lead to mental issues, hopefully that ends good.

Kollene: Again serious health issues. Whats up with preppers and weight issues? Good food supply, liked the organization. Gourmet prep food? Not my style, but I can't say I wouldn't love it in SHTF. Security? None... All her pretty food would be gone if someone got intel on it. Zero bug out ability. No comms. The firearm training was pretty poor, someone send her a Chris Costa DVD quick! Bust it!

Kathy: I was impressed by her skill set. Great garden knowledge. Can't beat grass feed home canned beef. But this trading and liberal mindset is simply not understanding human nature. ZERO protection. She is living in the "village". History is not on her side. Her security is inviting roving gangs to dinner. I give her 1 week.

Dennis: Organization of labor was great, a bit cheesy but solid. Didn't show much food and water preps. Not a lot of security, one of his sons with a shotgun and bow? Home depot motion detectors? Didn't see any comms. Good family, lots of people… Just didn't see a lot of security to actually protect their skills.

Episode "Back to the stone age"

Tim: Massive tool and his tool sucks. Not a fan. His desert bunker with shipping containers we all know is a good and cheap plan. His stock jeep isn't going to do much off a paved dirt road near his BOL. As for the thumb accident.. a misfire? He said his thumb was in front of the barrel… That is NOT an accident! If I need to explain this, I hate you. AD vs ND.

Jason: Prepping in NYC? Yellowstone Super Volcano? Little water. No guns. Hard to do in NYC. I would advise him on Mountain House style cans in his storage. But the lack of water makes all this impossible. Fantasy knifes?

Jules: See Kathy above, but with less land and next to a highway in LA. A horrible SHTF plan but I highly respect anyone growing their own food and rocking a bio diesel setup. Why didn't the experts mention protection? Fail.

Pat: Great preps, I dig his secret room. I'll drink his booze. Gun boner. Big money prepper and not so much a skills prepper. He could use some classes from Kathy and Jules. No comms… More thinking and less buying.

[duodecima]

Yes arfcom can be immature (you know this is the internet right? seen 4chan.org?) and they don't "censor" but with all that bullshit there is something to respect. ZS is pretty into censoring "illegal" activity to the point of absurdity. Twice now I've seen the neighbor's pool talked about as a water source and mods jump all over that. Also as a LE licensed armor, arfcom is a much better source of firearm related information. If I have a question about something rare, I go there. Also their BOV section has actual BOVs in it. Besides maybe a few dozen amazing rigs, ZS is filled with street queen cars and trucks with a CB radio. ZS's definition of a BOV is it's own and not really on par with reality. So to avoid the immaturity of arfcom and the delusion of ZS, I've grown to love expeditionportal.com. I'm not making this a hate on ZS post, but as immature and crass as arfcom is they don't babysit you and in some areas they are much much better. ZS is a friendly and comfortable starting point for preparedness which is of course it's goal and why I love it, but there are pros and cons to each community. ZS takes the higher road, but I do believe it lacks some major reality that would happen and happen quick in a real SHTF.

As for the topic, can't wait to watch the next two episodes now. Just the previews are making me laugh.

I fully agree that there are topics worthy of discussion that can't be discussed under ZS rules. Nor is ZS end-all and be-all on any topic, nothing is. I like being able to take the best from a lot of different blogs & forums on the internet. But dude, that pool is MY water storage, not my neighbor's, and I appreciate a place where people are reminded that not only should we not count our chickens before they hatch, we definitely shouldn't be counting other people's chickens! I think that's one of ZS's best contributions to the prepping forums.

Not sure if there's more preppers in AZ, but since water is such a huge issue, the more preppers in such places, the better. Water's the biggest reason I will never live in large swaths of CA either...

The problem being that nothing would work like that in a real world SHTF. The fact that there is a need for firearms in SHTF completely kills ZS's rules as being reality. I get the positive image and helping people get into it and all that, but in my humble opinion it's all kinda a joke. A lot of "image" preppers here. I remember when I read The Road, I couldn't even discuss it here, I had to go to another forum.

Not sure what you mean about firearms - I sense a majority opinion around here that you DO need them in a SHTF - in fact, just read a comment in another thread pointing out that, if there are no rules, anyone with something of any value is a target, which, since we have prepped, includes all of us. But reality also is that other people will want&use their stuff (eg pools) and the assumption that everything a person sees is theirs to use if they need it, in a SHTF, is a very very dangerous assumption, to the person making it and everybody around them. Yet I see very smart, prepared people who I love (and know to be good, decent people) make that assumption all the time.

I think the "pool" example may not be quite the best one - easy enough for someone with a filter to negotiate with the neighbor to filter water for both households out of the pool. (Also, I can't find any thread you might have been referencing, feel free to PM it to me so I can see what you were referring to.)

I figure, it's my job to get, learn about, raise, care for, and protect my chickens, defend them if needed, and have backup in case something happens to them. Making assumptions about my access to my neighbor's chickens is not smart planning.

And the Road is on the list of things I MUST READ! but haven't got to yet. (It's way higher on my list that the NatGeo series!) Happy to try to discuss it when I do, via PM if needed!

[zeropresence]

Yes arfcom can be immature (you know this is the internet right? seen 4chan.org?) and they don't "censor" but with all that bullshit there is something to respect. ZS is pretty into censoring "illegal" activity to the point of absurdity. Twice now I've seen the neighbor's pool talked about as a water source and mods jump all over that. Also as a LE licensed armor, arfcom is a much better source of firearm related information. If I have a question about something rare, I go there. Also their BOV section has actual BOVs in it. Besides maybe a few dozen amazing rigs, ZS is filled with street queen cars and trucks with a CB radio. ZS's definition of a BOV is it's own and not really on par with reality. So to avoid the immaturity of arfcom and the delusion of ZS, I've grown to love expeditionportal.com. I'm not making this a hate on ZS post, but as immature and crass as arfcom is they don't babysit you and in some areas they are much much better. ZS is a friendly and comfortable starting point for preparedness which is of course it's goal and why I love it, but there are pros and cons to each community. ZS takes the higher road, but I do believe it lacks some major reality that would happen and happen quick in a real SHTF.

As for the topic, can't wait to watch the next two episodes now. Just the previews are making me laugh.

I fully agree that there are topics worthy of discussion that can't be discussed under ZS rules. Nor is ZS end-all and be-all on any topic, nothing is. I like being able to take the best from a lot of different blogs & forums on the internet. But dude, that pool is MY water storage, not my neighbor's, and I appreciate a place where people are reminded that not only should we not count our chickens before they hatch, we definitely shouldn't be counting other people's chickens! I think that's one of ZS's best contributions to the prepping forums.

Not sure if there's more preppers in AZ, but since water is such a huge issue, the more preppers in such places, the better. Water's the biggest reason I will never live in large swaths of CA either...

The problem being that nothing would work like that in a real world SHTF. The fact that there is a need for firearms in SHTF completely kills ZS's rules as being reality. I get the positive image and helping people get into it and all that, but in my humble opinion it's all kinda a joke. A lot of "image" preppers here. I remember when I read The Road, I couldn't even discuss it here, I had to go to another forum.

Not sure what you mean about firearms - I sense a majority opinion around here that you DO need them in a SHTF - in fact, just read a comment in another thread pointing out that, if there are no rules, anyone with something of any value is a target, which, since we have prepped, includes all of us. But reality also is that other people will want&use their stuff (eg pools) and the assumption that everything a person sees is theirs to use if they need it, in a SHTF, is a very very dangerous assumption, to the person making it and everybody around them. Yet I see very smart, prepared people who I love (and know to be good, decent people) make that assumption all the time.

I think the "pool" example may not be quite the best one - easy enough for someone with a filter to negotiate with the neighbor to filter water for both households out of the pool. (Also, I can't find any thread you might have been referencing, feel free to PM it to me so I can see what you were referring to.)

I figure, it's my job to get, learn about, raise, care for, and protect my chickens, defend them if needed, and have backup in case something happens to them. Making assumptions about my access to my neighbor's chickens is not smart planning.

And the Road is on the list of things I MUST READ! but haven't got to yet. (It's way higher on my list that the NatGeo series!) Happy to try to discuss it when I do, via PM if needed!

I'm kinda over discussing this subject, sorry. Just kinda bums but out as most my prepper friends are over ZS for simliar too much censoring/babysitting/too political correct issues. But seriously read the road, you will enjoy it. PM me and we can discuss the darkness that is that book!

[TDW586]

I'm sorry, that's how what you typed came across. Note that I said "if", so if you're not depending on ARFCOM for info, how is what I said personal or insulting? That's why I worded it that way, in case you didn't mean what I read.

CA POST doesn't offer an armorer certification according to their website, by the way. So you're right, I don't have any idea of your skill level. In any case, that's not a license, so you can understand my confusion due to your wording.

I'll let you get back to your thread now, and I'm glad you have ARFCOM to learn about firearms and discuss illegal things and full-on post apocalyptic warfare.

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[zeropresence]

I'm sorry, that's how what you typed came across. Note that I said "if", so if you're not depending on ARFCOM for info, how is what I said personal or insulting? That's why I worded it that way, in case you didn't mean what I read.

CA POST doesn't offer an armorer certification according to their website, by the way. So you're right, I don't have any idea of your skill level. In any case, that's not a license, so you can understand my confusion due to your wording.

I'll let you get back to your thread now, and I'm glad you have ARFCOM to learn about firearms and discuss illegal things and full-on post apocalyptic warfare.

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PM with info sent.

[TDW586]

I think we've hugged and made up via PM, though the discussion is ongoing there. Move along with the discussion of the show, folks, nothing to see here. Please respect zeropresence's request to get back on topic. Peace and love.

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[duodecima]

My bad reopening a discussionthat was over, somehow missed the intervening posts. sorry.

[CipherNameRaVeN]

I am watching 1st episode for the first time on youtube. I was shocked to hear that one of the recommendations from the "professionals" that the botanist received was to carry a gun. Producers of this show are actually doing some things right.

I remember watching History Channel "Day after Armageddon." There they cut out most of, if not all, information about importance of weapons. One of the commentators in the show, later said that the producers of the show were not thrilled about promoting weapons.


edit: still watching... The girl in the shorts is a nut!

[zeropresence]

I am watching 1st episode for the first time on youtube. I was shocked to hear that one of the recommendations from the "professionals" that the botanist received was to carry a gun. Producers of this show are actually doing some things right.

I remember watching History Channel "Day after Armageddon." There they cut out most of, if not all, information about importance of weapons. One of the commentators in the show, later said that the producers of the show were not thrilled about promoting weapons.


edit: still watching... The girl in the shorts is a nut!

Just wait... it justs much better or worse depending on your style of humor.

[pahwraith]

I liked the setup with the new england couple. It's VERY close my ideal, except with more goats/goat cheese, pigs/homemade prosciutto and of course rifles. Basically a self-sufficient permaculture eco-hippie with a well stocked gun locker.

[Alpha-17]

I liked the setup with the new england couple. It's VERY close my ideal, except with more goats/goat cheese, pigs/homemade prosciutto and of course rifles. Basically a self-sufficient permaculture eco-hippie with a well stocked gun locker.

As long as you've got the guns, it does sound ideal. That couple though, jeez. I don't understand anybody that is preparing for the break down of society, but still thinks that they don't need any form of self defense.

[cusm]

I liked the setup with the new england couple. It's VERY close my ideal, except with more goats/goat cheese, pigs/homemade prosciutto and of course rifles. Basically a self-sufficient permaculture eco-hippie with a well stocked gun locker.

As long as you've got the guns, it does sound ideal. That couple though, jeez. I don't understand anybody that is preparing for the break down of society, but still thinks that they don't need any form of self defense.

Their hippy friend bugged me the most, 'win them over, or poison them or slit their throat while they sleep'. So he will consider murder, but not a gun for self defense or a deterrent.

[zeropresence]

I liked the setup with the new england couple. It's VERY close my ideal, except with more goats/goat cheese, pigs/homemade prosciutto and of course rifles. Basically a self-sufficient permaculture eco-hippie with a well stocked gun locker.

As long as you've got the guns, it does sound ideal. That couple though, jeez. I don't understand anybody that is preparing for the break down of society, but still thinks that they don't need any form of self defense.

Their hippy friend bugged me the most, 'win them over, or poison them or slit their throat while they sleep'. So he will consider murder, but not a gun for self defense or a deterrent.

Yup. Like I said I give them a week.

[BigDaddyTX]

Anyone catch the other show that was a rip-off of this show titled something preppers : The Pink Pistol (IIRC). The guy sets up to kidnap his kids sort of, and puts his guns on pegboard in the garage. Unbelievably stupid. I couldn't watch the whole thing, just those two parts was enough.

[survivaljoe]

Meet the Preppers: My Pink Pistol: Cast & Details

Premiered: February 18, 2012

Rating: TV-PG

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Premise: Fears of civilization's collapse prompt a father to weigh buying his daughter a cell phone or a pistol, while he and his wife differ on putting their kids through a kidnapping drill.

W-T-F !?!

[CipherNameRaVeN]

Meet the Preppers: My Pink Pistol: Cast & Details

Premiered: February 18, 2012

Rating: TV-PG

User Rating:  (Be the first to rate!)
Add Your Rating: 

Premise: Fears of civilization's collapse prompt a father to weigh buying his daughter a cell phone or a pistol, while he and his wife differ on putting their kids through a kidnapping drill.

W-T-F !?!

W-T-F !?! is right!

[CaptBrainFreeze]

Yea, I watched it. The 1st 20 mins I actually thought, hey, not bad. Preps, plans, community group, etc and so on. HOWEVER. a lot of reality tv drama in it with hubby and wife argueing over garage space, should the kids see a pig being slaughtered and processed, and of course the kidnapping scenario. So half the show was ok, other half not so much.

The show will show some of the bug out plans, preps, skills etc. Plus things like fire drills what to do scenarios as he teaches his kids etc. Will show them bringing their preps back up to speed as well. Their four year old was diagnosed with cancer, for two years they lived on their preps to get by financially. Now they are rebuilding, had to move to a smaller house, lost their vehicles etc due to the economy hitting at the same time of their daughters health.

It actually does have promise but I refuse to see the network let it be what it could be. There will be plenty drama injected in I suspect. Going off of episode one.

[SeerSavant]

Yea, I watched it. The 1st 20 mins I actually thought, hey, not bad. Preps, plans, community group, etc and so on. HOWEVER. a lot of reality tv drama in it with hubby and wife argueing over garage space, should the kids see a pig being slaughtered and processed, and of course the kidnapping scenario. So half the show was ok, other half not so much.

The show will show some of the bug out plans, preps, skills etc. Plus things like fire drills what to do scenarios as he teaches his kids etc. Will show them bringing their preps back up to speed as well. Their four year old was diagnosed with cancer, for two years they lived on their preps to get by financially. Now they are rebuilding, had to move to a smaller house, lost their vehicles etc due to the economy hitting at the same time of their daughters health.

It actually does have promise but I refuse to see the network let it be what it could be. There will be plenty drama injected in I suspect. Going off of episode one.

See, to me, that is one of the unsung and rarely used reasons to prep... Sure, the odds are against a Yellowstone explosion, but the preps aren't wrapped up in a "incase of huge volcanic ash cloud... break glass" cabinet...
One of the tenets of disaster preparedness is the idea of a personal disaster, economic meltdown? Yeah, and you could loose your job too... So if you don't have to shop for groceries for 3 months, that's X amount of money that your not having to struggle over, and that one simple example (there are many others, but this seems a very practical one) is justification enough...


Still catching up with the doomsday preppers... is it just me, or is there a selective err, selection of those on the show. All seem to have a half cocked mentality... I also wonder why (as the producers actually seem to be trying to help and do actually give some decent advice from time to time) there is never a crossing over in the preps...

Person X worries about a economic meltdown, but in reality, his preps will also serve as in food shortages, his reliance on alternate fuels, etc... These preps can serve a wide variety of uses, not all doomsday, and like storing food in the case above, are never a bad idea, as in growing your own food and saving a shit ton of grocery money is never a bad idea as well...

Also, the "experts" while adding helpful (mostly) advice, are damn sparse with the knowledge... And the way that the preppers seem to pan the opinions for the most part makes me think it's less advice than creative editing to get a desired response.



But you know what really irritates me about these shows? economic/geological/big hat wearing experts have maintained that this explosion/emp/riots/collapse/ufo scenario is highly unlikely to the point where we throw out a statistic (statistics... Gee, those are never wrong or misleading) which basically ridicule the whole concept of prepping...
But for once, why don't they state all the OTHER scenarios where the same preps would serve incredibly well, from water shortages in deserts, to a simple truck drivers strike, to an ice storm...
Wait...
This is a television show...

Silly me...


I know that ZSrs get approached from time to time about participating on various shows... here's a thought... Why not give them a counter proposal, we will do it, pick several good examples of a zombie preparedness (which would amazingly have very little use of the living dead biology, and a lot more use of the metaphor as examples) and they could call it the Zombie edition of the show...
We could dispel the idea of isolationism and batshit crazy ideas, by showing the practical and educational side of it, while reinforcing the Charity basis to the whole organization...
In fact, we could even.........

Again... silly me, without editorial powers, we'd still look like a buncha loons, or they'd simply intercut the preppers with enough imagery and voice overs to make it all look like some insane cult of tin foil hattery....

Never mind...



BTW, the show is pretty entertaining for what it is.. And IMHO, if it inspires talk from those who watch it, as in, "that's retarded, here's how I would do it..." and inspires people to prep for themselves, or at least learn more... Then some good has come out of it...


Oh, and if Megan whatsername, is reading, I hope she joins the forums and says hello... With or without shorty shorts... She would be very welcome...
And we don't judge people on what kind of clothing choices they make... Hell, certain members have posted pictures that can only be erased with eye bleach and vast amounts of alchohol...
This is after all a forum for sharing and helping each other learn things...


Thus endeth my ramble....