"Bird & Trout" style ring pommel knife *NOW with sheath!*

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"Bird & Trout" style ring pommel knife *NOW with sheath!*

Postby maldon007 » Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:08 am

So someone asked me about making a knife from a wrench, this is sort of a practice run, but it came out very nice.
(1/25 edit: sheath is on the 9th post!)
It came to me through a pawn shop's "box o' rusty tools" for like $2, and after some grinding, shaping, sanding, heating, cooling, and baking... Its a cool little knife, that is damn tough.

I didnt take any pics before the grinding, but its like the second one from the left-
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Here it is in the mini kiln (did that 4 times)-
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Cooling in the oil (did that 4 times)-
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Finished (after draw temper)-
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Re: "Bird & Trout" style ring pommel knife/22mm Kawaski wren

Postby smokinbunta » Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:05 pm

that looks a lot better than what i was expecting! question is tho, the wrench originally being cast how will that hold up as a knife??
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Re: "Bird & Trout" style ring pommel knife/22mm Kawaski wren

Postby maldon007 » Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:57 pm

Im not sure if it was cast... looks pressed somehow, not really knowledgable on this stuff... But the edges had the look of metal that was crushed down as it was cut somehow. My guess is it was die cut from a thick sheet, maybe hot press/molded for the 3-d lettering, and the wrench box also die cut... You can pretty much see the marks of the die if you look up close.

As far as hardness, I did test with a file before & after hardeneing, and it did get noticeably harder, file now will not bite at all, just scrapes off the baked on oil :lol:
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Re: "Bird & Trout" style ring pommel knife/22mm Kawaski wren

Postby smokinbunta » Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:03 pm

well either way this is good skill set for the "PAW" i was always interested in black smith work and make knifes/swords.. but after having welded and know how hot it gets.. i wonder about black smithing
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Re: "Bird & Trout" style ring pommel knife/22mm Kawaski wren

Postby maldon007 » Sat Jan 14, 2012 7:10 pm

About the heat being dangerous?... Or...?
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Re: "Bird & Trout" style ring pommel knife/22mm Kawaski wren

Postby marbhán marfóir » Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:27 pm

dude... :shock:

that's exactly what I had in mind!!!

I think it looks awesome.

looks like it'd be perfect for its intended purpose as a trout gutter.

thanks for looking into it.
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Re: "Bird & Trout" style ring pommel knife/22mm Kawaski wren

Postby Paladin1 » Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:20 am

You have started down the path of making things, into other things.

You will now become lost in the world of what could be.

You will look at everything through the lens of not what it is, but what it might be.

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Re: "Bird & Trout" style ring pommel knife/22mm Kawaski wren

Postby smokinbunta » Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:06 pm

maldon007 wrote:About the heat being dangerous?... Or...?



o just the heat.... i hated the heat... lol
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Re: "Bird & Trout" style ring pommel knife *NOW with sheath!

Postby maldon007 » Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:05 pm

Update, finally finished the sheath (third try) and found a decent material for home made "kydex". I know it sounds cheesy, but yeah it's house siding, and it heats/sets awesomely.

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It is made to be a neck knife, or belt mount, also has holes that you could put string through to tie to a pack/vest/whatever.

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And yeah, it has a little indent that holds the knife tight, when upside down, but lts you draw it easy... And with a bit of heat it can be romoved or made stronger.
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Re: "Bird & Trout" style ring pommel knife *NOW with sheath!

Postby praharin » Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:54 pm

Your knife looks great, and nice improvisation on the sheath, but I cannot let this stand without posting:

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Re: "Bird & Trout" style ring pommel knife *NOW with sheath!

Postby marbhán marfóir » Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:44 pm

PMing you the money on friday, I love the improvised Kydex.
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Re: "Bird & Trout" style ring pommel knife *NOW with sheath!

Postby Storm Crow » Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:39 pm

Looks good. I'd get your quench oil deeper, though.

That's funny about the house siding. Looks like you did well with it. I'll comment that Kydex is actually pretty cheap, though, around $6-$7 per square foot, plus shipping. That'll do several knives. There's another guy who does a lot of integral socket handles on som other forums I hang out on who made a sheath for one of his parangs out of PVC pipe, apparantly something common in some parts of the world. He got it a bit too hot while shaping it and browned it, but it ended up looking somewhat like bamboo, and looked good!

As for the question about a cast wrench, wrenches are typically drop forged in a die that leaves a flashing around the tool that has to be trimmed off afterwards. That line where the flashing is trimmed can look like a parting line on a casting mold, and the slightly rough texture some of the wrenches have from the scale in the drop forging dies can look like texture from a sand mold. But chances are very high that yours was drop forged, not cast.
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Re: "Bird & Trout" style ring pommel knife *NOW with sheath!

Postby maldon007 » Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:02 pm

praharin wrote:Your knife looks great, and nice improvisation on the sheath, but I cannot let this stand without posting:

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Bwaaa ha ha ha! ...Used to watch that show a little.




And marbhán marfóir, great to hear... not sure if I could get rid of it otherwise... kinda growing on me :lol:




Storm Crow, thanks for the comments & info... Whatever the metal, it took hardening for sure. I had a few other items I have attempted to harden, including an edger blade, that obviously failed & were no harder no matter what heating/cooling I tried. This one skipped a file nicely, and still has a sharp edge after cutting a few things, including trimming up the sheath a bit.
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Re: "Bird & Trout" style ring pommel knife *NOW with sheath!

Postby Storm Crow » Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:08 pm

It's always good to test your steel, and you see why... :) Did you try quenching the other steel in water after it failed to harden in oil? I tend to stick with oil-hardening steels, but a goodly number of smiths water quench at least some of their blades. It can be somewhat riskier as it's a harder quench, and the internal stress may be high, but some steel really needs it.

You're doing good things and I look forward to what you come up with.
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Postby maldon007 » Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:23 pm

Yeah, I tried higher temp, water mixed with salt, soap, etc. (read that might do the trick with steel of marginal carbon content).
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Re: "Bird & Trout" style ring pommel knife *NOW with sheath!

Postby Storm Crow » Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:55 pm

You have your bases well-covered. Carry on. :D
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Re: "Bird & Trout" style ring pommel knife *NOW with sheath!

Postby marbhán marfóir » Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:42 am

Maldon,

you have a PM.

I totally spaced this and wanted to pay you for it. (my birthday's coming up on the 21st and figured i'd get it as a present for myself)
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Re: "Bird & Trout" style ring pommel knife *NOW with sheath!

Postby maldon007 » Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:08 am

No problem (got the pm), happy to have the interest... Let me know what you think when you get it!

Btw, I would have bugged you again, before I sold it anywhere else :wink:
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Re: "Bird & Trout" style ring pommel knife *NOW with sheath!

Postby Murph » Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:16 pm

maldon007 wrote:Update, finally finished the sheath (third try) and found a decent material for home made "kydex". I know it sounds cheesy, but yeah it's house siding, and it heats/sets awesomely.


That's pretty awesome. I totally had to copy the idea for an axe sheath.
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Re: "Bird & Trout" style ring pommel knife *NOW with sheath!

Postby maldon007 » Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:29 pm

Well shit, that's a great idea you gave me there, from my idea! Really, I have a fisker hatchet that I hate the cover for (stupid open side/turn lock thing)... Now I will make a cover that can be affixed to a pack.... Nice!
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6 month Update and Review

Postby marbhán marfóir » Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:25 pm

Normally I'm not one to Necro a thread, but I felt no need to start a new one.

I wanted to say that after 6 months, I still love this little guy as much as the day I found it in the mail. it's a rugged little knife that has been beyond useful. so I have the following to add.

PROS:

-Durability
This knife has held up to everything I've trown at it, and everything it's been thrown at. the way Maldon chose to form the edge was not what I had originally imagined, I was expecting something a bit closer to a scalpel in size as far as the actual blade on the knife itself and have to say that I am glad he decided to shape it the way he did. the whole thing being made out of a wrench handle makes for a very little flexibility and the thickness of the blade has let me use it in ways it wasn't meant to to pry on things, the thickness of the wrench used was pretty limited since I limited Maldon to using an old parts bag wrench. the temper was done pretty well, as the knife hold's an edge well and I've only had to sharpen it twice; once about 2 days after I got it to put a good sharp edge on it, and maybe once a month to keep it up since it comes into contact with a lot of bone/hardwood/metal. there have been no nicks in the blade edge, no breaking/bending of the tip or bending of the shank. I've also oiled it every time I've sharpened it and I'm happy to report that it has not rusted or pitted.

-Ergonomics
the whole point of using the wrench as a blank, and having the very small blade at the end of a relatively long handle was to fit my pinky through the box end of the wrench/knife and be able to 'drop' the blade and let it hang from my pinky and then flip it back into my hand by 'gun-spinning' it backwards towards my palm so it flips back in.

the action makes it very easy to gut/clean fish and frees up my left hand for work without having to put the knife down.

ergonomically I'd say I lucked out in the box end size (22mm) and the length of shank left between where the box side ends and the base of the blade starts. the shape of the spine allows me to place my thumb over the top of the blade and have a lot of control over it when cutting. this small blade shape and longer handle make for having a lot of control when using it.

the feel when holding it, is not unlike holding a cheap wrench, which is exactly what it was when it started it's life.

-The Sheath
I'll be the first to admit I wasn't so sure about having a sheath made from a piece of vinyl siding. that's also a worry that's been laid to rest.

the shape of the sheath fits the knife well, the belt loop has been set up for left handed carry, since I am left handed. the design is simple, it retains the knife well with friction, Maldon was also so kind as to make a hole at the tip of the sheath for neck carry off of a lanyard, which I haven't tried yet but plan to try when I go pheasant hunting in a couple months.

CONS:

I don't really have too much bad to say about the knife that can be attributed to it's maker.

I kinda wish I could get one made out of stainless steel, but I understand the difficulty involved and the price for it made out of stainless vs. the uniqueness of it made from the wrench that was used and the ease of working with the carbon steel and sourcing of material far outweigh's the benefits of attempting a knife like the one I have in stainless at this point.

the sheath is something that I also can't really say anything negatively about, especially considering it was made out of free materials easily sourced, and made pretty expediently.

there were absolutely Zero Cons when it came to dealing with the maker of the knife. He's a great guy to deal with for sure.


-Comments from others

Friends of mine that ride Kawasaki's love it, friends of mine that fish and hunt small game like rabbits and squirrels or upland birds also remark on how novel and useful it is, friends of mine that are mechanics love the fact it started out as basically a 'throw-away' wrench and was turned into something that will more than likely outlive me in usefulness.

the only negative feedback I've got is from people that don't like when someone carries any blade, or people who have the kind of money to blow on high speed/low drag gear even though the only A/O they operate in is the gun range and local fishing pond.

given the choice to do it again, I wouldn't change a thing, I was happy with the price, happy with the product, and happy with the communication and speed that Maldon handled everything. I'm collecting more wrenches to get some more made possibly as Christmas presents.

TL/DR version?

I friggin love it.
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Re: "Bird & Trout" style ring pommel knife *NOW with sheath!

Postby maldon007 » Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:09 pm

Thanks for the great review!

If you need another (or more) remember how slow I am at this shit :lol:


edit, forgot, I am getting some actual kydex, so there is that as well.
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