REVIEW: WOUXUN KG-UVD1P TRANSCIEVER

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REVIEW: WOUXUN KG-UVD1P TRANSCIEVER

Postby crypto » Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:35 am

I decided I wanted another handheld to augment my VX-170, which while admirably bombproof, is somewhat lacking in capability (other than the mod so I can use it on MURS).

After briefly considering a VX-8 and laughing about the price, I decided to see how a Wouxun made-out-of-chinese-parts radio compared to a Yaesu, Kenwood, or Icom made-out-of-chinese-parts radio. Pretty favorably, it turns out.

1. What I got
I bought the KG-UVD1P transceiver kit from universal-radio, along with the USB programming it, a spare Li-Ion extended battery and a AA Case. Together with the radio, which comes with a cradle and car charger, I was out about $150 with shipping.
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2. What it is
The KG-UVD1P is a true dual-band (ie, 2 VFOs) radio that is made as a general purpose VHF / UHF handheld for public safety, business, and end-consumer use. It is an international radio, meaning that its wide open. And by wide open, I mean WIIIIDE OPEN. The one I ordered will RX and TX on everything between 136-174MHz and 400-470MHz. It goes without saying that one needs to be a little more careful when using this radio than a purpose-built ham radio, because it will happily key up on bands that you have no right to be on.

The radio itself is pretty solid-feeling. While it doesnt have a metal external case like my beloved VX-170, it certainly feels more solid than a VX-3 or FT-60, and any radio made by Kenwood.

The back of the radio reveals it has a die-case frame, which lends it the solidity I wish most Kenwoods had.
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The radio is rated IP55 for dust and water resistance, which puts it on par with a VX-3 or FT-60, but not as rugged as VX-8 or VX-170.



3. What it isnt
Its not really a ham radio. Now, it has FCC Part 90 type acceptance, which then means its kosher to use for amateur service, but it was never designed to be only an amateur radio. Some of the things that drive this point home is the fact that it lacks things that amateur users expect: automatic +/- offsets according to the ARRL bandplan when setting up for repeaters, for one. Lots of keypad shortcuts for common functions, for another. This radio requires 3 button presses to change from memory mode to VFO mode. That's a hassle, but I'l get on with that in a moment. You *can* fully program the radio through the keypad, and the User manual was surprisingly Chinglish-free and straightforward, but the menu system (twist the knob endlessly for menu items, or key in menu numbers via keypad) really kinda sucks. Again, its not primarily a ham radio.

4. What I really liked
* This radio sounds GOOD. TX and RX both sound outstanding. I think this radio has a better front-end than my Yaesu. Whether I'm on VHF or UHF, this thing kicks ass when it comes to actually being a radio.
* The programming software. The USB cable was $15 and the software is free from Wouxun. The software has three option-setting windows: memory slot assignment, radio options (how the menus work, what mode the radio powers up in, offset defaults for each band, etc) and what you want to do with the programmable buttons on the side. The software is very easy to use, the memory screen doubly so. You just put in input/output freqs, CTCSS/PL tones, power levels, bandwidth, and a 6-char memory name.

This leads into how I think of this radio: It's a commercial radio that works best when you pre-program it, and run it in channelized mode. The scanning is kind of kludgy, but it works. The menus are kludgy, but they work. But the radio is by far easier to operate if you sit down and key in all your frequencies in advance, and just use it in memory mode. Running it in channelized mode also reduces the possibility of keying up out of band. I sat in my car programming in a repeater by hand, and it was like trying to use an ancient 80's era Yaesu. A hassle.

Now, without getting into too much detail about the real reason I got this radio, take a look at what I've got going on here and how it can be used:

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That should speak volumes for the versatility of this radio. I just took 2 radios out of my bugout bag.

For QST's review, see: http://www.wouxun.us/Manuals/QSTReview.pdf

I love this radio. While I cannot in good conscience recommend that anyone use it for MURS or GMRS, it works really well for those too.

ETA: I should also mention that the radio has a MALE SMA connector, which harks back to the old Yaesu days. Be advised of that if you pick up additional antennae along with the radio.
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Re: REVIEW: WOUXUN KG-UVD1P TRANSCIEVER

Postby crypto » Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:49 am

I guess I didnt mention that I wouldnt really recommend this as a first radio for new hams, even though the price is right. There are other easier to use radios that won't be as frustrating for a new user.

But as an additional, or backup radio, or as a way of consolidating radios, this thing can't be beat.
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Re: REVIEW: WOUXUN KG-UVD1P TRANSCIEVER

Postby TacAir » Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:59 am

If I may ask

Power out?

How does it handle cross or co-channel interference? (bleed over)

Battery life? Battery connector type? IS the AA battery tray solid or flimsy (your call, was wondering)

Backlight change colors or is only (blue, brown, white)

Does the any seem to be well built or thinly coated wound sire?

Software Windows comparable? Any version restrictions? Pretty easy to use? (vs PC Commander or ADMS)

Programming cable USB or 9 pin?

Thanks in advance, I have been looking at these, the price point and warranty seems attractive, but I always worry about the 'you get what yu pay for.."

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Re: REVIEW: WOUXUN KG-UVD1P TRANSCIEVER

Postby crypto » Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:12 am

I'll answer in-line.

TacAir wrote:If I may ask

Power out?
5W VHF / 4W UHF

How does it handle cross or co-channel interference? (bleed over)
Bleed seems as good as my yaesu. I'd set the Wouxun on one channel and set the Yaesu one increment on either side and it wouldnt break squelch on the default setting (I didnt try it on lower settings, I guess I could later, though)


Battery life? Battery connector type? IS the AA battery tray solid or flimsy (your call, was wondering)
The 1400maH batt is on day 2 of me fucking around with it for 5 hours a day on the initial factory charge. It seems better than my Ni-Cd radios, thats for sure. Internally, the battery has 2 connectors to hit the radio. Externally, it has a 4 button contact to hit the cradle. The AA tray feels as solid as the yaesu but lacks a gasket. (so did the one in my Yaesu, though.


Backlight change colors or is only (blue, brown, white)
White only.

Does the any seem to be well built or thinly coated wound sire?
Its not as solid as the thick rubber duck on a VX-170, but seems as solid as any other fibreglass dual-band antenna.

Software Windows comparable? Any version restrictions? Pretty easy to use? (vs PC Commander or ADMS)
Software is windows-only, runs on XP/Vista/7. Skip the CD that comes with the cable and download the programming kit from Wouxun, it comes with new USB drivers for the cable for all windows versions. Ive seen third-party programming apps for other OS's.

Programming cable USB or 9 pin?
You can order either version. I got USB. The DB9 serial cable obviously doesnt require a device driver like the USB one.


Thanks in advance, I have been looking at these, the price point and warranty seems attractive, but I always worry about the 'you get what yu pay for.."

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Honestly, when they all came over on a slow boat from china I was leery, but now that you can get them from universal-radio.com theres no reason not to.

Fake ETA: I must have been smoking crack in my first post. I actually got my radio from 409shop.com because their price was a little better than Universal Radio. Sorry for the confusion. You can clearly see the sticker on the internal picture.
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Re: REVIEW: WOUXUN KG-UVD1P TRANSCIEVER

Postby KJ4VOV » Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:58 am

I'm going to have to take a closer look at one of these now. I know a couple of local hams that have them, and next Tuesday is our club meeting, so I'll look one over there. I'm curious to compare one to my FT-60 and see if what you say about feeling more solid than the FT-60 is true. Shit, that makes it sound like I think you're lying, and that's not what I mean. "Feel" is subjective, so I want to see if it feels that way to me too.
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Re: REVIEW: WOUXUN KG-UVD1P TRANSCIEVER

Postby crypto » Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:11 pm

KJ4V0V: So, its a die-cast internal housing, in a polycarbonate plastic exterior. I think it's the polycarbonate that makes it feel more solid, the plastic yaesu and kenwood radios use that softer gray/black ABS or polystyrene plastic that scratches, scuffs, and cracks so easily.

But yeah, I was favorably impressed. The radio passes my "creak test" too, which the FT-60 didnt.

( The creak test is where I grab it with both hands and torque twist it until it starts to creak and pop or I run out of torque )
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Re: REVIEW: WOUXUN KG-UVD1P TRANSCIEVER

Postby yale » Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:52 pm

I've been researching and reading up on these radios for about a month. Checked out a few Youtube videos on them and read reviews on Eham, Radio Reference, QRZ and other sites. I bought a swap table at a hamfest this weekend and hope to get a chance to handle one of these radios and make a final decision if I'm going to purchase one or not.
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Re: REVIEW: WOUXUN KG-UVD1P TRANSCIEVER

Postby Bender711 » Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:07 pm

I have one of these and really like it as well. To prevent me from key-up out of band I programed it to only RX on off limits frequencies. There is a program somewhere that lets you mess with the frequency ranges and can really get you into trouble. :twisted:
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Re: REVIEW: WOUXUN KG-UVD1P TRANSCIEVER

Postby KJ4VOV » Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:10 pm

crypto wrote:But yeah, I was favorably impressed. The radio passes my "creak test" too, which the FT-60 didnt.

( The creak test is where I grab it with both hands and torque twist it until it starts to creak and pop or I run out of torque )


*Note to self: Do not give Crypto anything delicate to test... like kittens or puppies...
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Re: REVIEW: WOUXUN KG-UVD1P TRANSCIEVER

Postby Radio guy » Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:36 am

A 1400mha battery? These have been shipping with a 1700mha battery for about 6mo, are you sure about your battery capacity? FYI these are not FCC type accepted for GMRS or MURS, I'm sure they pass all the specs but the mfr has not submitted them for part 95 operation, only part 90.

Sorry to hear you didn't order from the original importer of these which is Ed at http://www.wouxunus.com, great guy to deal with and his prices are about the lowest out there. I'll second the comments on a great little radio, maybe not for the new ham but you can't beat the features and performance for the price.
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Re: REVIEW: WOUXUN KG-UVD1P TRANSCIEVER

Postby Atomic_Dog » Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:59 pm

The KG-UV6X has a really wide transmit range. I can't help but wonder how they keep the SWR low. I've seen HTs smoked due to being modded but using the originally supplied antenna.
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Re: REVIEW: WOUXUN KG-UVD1P TRANSCIEVER

Postby crypto » Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:14 pm

Radio guy wrote:A 1400mha battery? These have been shipping with a 1700mha battery for about 6mo, are you sure about your battery capacity? FYI these are not FCC type accepted for GMRS or MURS, I'm sure they pass all the specs but the mfr has not submitted them for part 95 operation, only part 90.

Sorry to hear you didn't order from the original importer of these which is Ed at http://www.wouxunus.com, great guy to deal with and his prices are about the lowest out there. I'll second the comments on a great little radio, maybe not for the new ham but you can't beat the features and performance for the price.
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I might have gotten an older one. The battery it came with was definitely 1400, and I bought a additional 1700 battery.

I'm quite aware of them not being Part 95 certified, which is why Im not really going to discuss how well it works for that on ZS.

They will never be certified for MURS operations because MURS specifies that you must not be capable of increasing power past the legal limit on the band, and this radio is either 1-watt or 5-watt. So thats out.

Ditto on FRS, but I suppose a GMRS Part 95 certification is possible.
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Re: REVIEW: WOUXUN KG-UVD1P TRANSCIEVER

Postby buck85 » Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:15 pm

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Re: REVIEW: WOUXUN KG-UVD1P TRANSCIEVER

Postby KJ4VOV » Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:51 pm

And, of course, no one at our club meeting Tuesday night actually brought theirs with them, so I didn't get a chance to play with one myself. Ah well, FrostFest is coming soon, I'll play with one there and see how it feels.
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Re: REVIEW: WOUXUN KG-UVD1P TRANSCIEVER

Postby GlockASP » Wed May 16, 2012 7:45 pm

Crypto, How about an update on the KG-UVD1P you have.

I would like to hear how you feel about the unit now that you have had it for a few months.

I have just picked up two of them and for the most part am quite impressed with them.
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Re: REVIEW: WOUXUN KG-UVD1P TRANSCIEVER

Postby nacho » Mon May 21, 2012 10:13 pm

I've played around with a couple of the Wouxun and Baofang radios and have several friends with them, they do have really good audio, which is looked over too often. Yeah the menus are a pain, and they miss most features that other part 90 radios include, but for the price they really can't be beat.

I will advise upgrading the antennas, I put a Moto antenna on my friends and the reception really improved.

You should be able to find a PMAT4001A for $35 that should make these radios kick.
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Re: REVIEW: WOUXUN KG-UVD1P TRANSCIEVER

Postby crypto » Mon May 21, 2012 10:21 pm

GlockASP wrote:Crypto, How about an update on the KG-UVD1P you have.

I would like to hear how you feel about the unit now that you have had it for a few months.

I have just picked up two of them and for the most part am quite impressed with them.


I still love it, to be honest. Once I got it put into channelized mode, its been a breeze to use, just twist the knob to pick a freq.

I love having one radio that covers 2m, 70cm, and GMRS. Usually that would be at least 2 radios, and since my old 2m was a VX-170, 3 radios if I wanted 70cm.

I cannot recommend this thing enough.
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Re: REVIEW: WOUXUN KG-UVD1P TRANSCIEVER

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Re: REVIEW: WOUXUN KG-UVD1P TRANSCIEVER

Postby crypto » Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:54 pm

Well, something is wrong with my UVD-1P. I have no TX audio.

At some point during Zombie Con 2012, it stopped transmitting voice. I have it set up to send a 'roger beep', and it still sends that just like it used to, but there's absolutely no voice coming out of it, no matter how hard I yell at the mic.

I'm not really sure whether its a dead mic element, or something in the amplification stage.

I'm not really sure what happened to the radio to make it happen, but I'm a little disappointed.
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Re: REVIEW: WOUXUN KG-UVD1P TRANSCIEVER

Postby majorhavoc » Mon Aug 27, 2012 1:29 pm

That's a bummer. Even at bargain basement prices we expect these things to keep working a bit longer than 8 months. Hope you can figure something out, Crypto.
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Re: REVIEW: WOUXUN KG-UVD1P TRANSCIEVER

Postby crypto » Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:08 pm

Ive currently got it taken apart, but havent bothered to remove the microphone yet. It lacks any identifying markings on it, so I cant easily replace it.

And, I'm not really a circuithead anyway, so I'm kind of out of my element.
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Re: REVIEW: WOUXUN KG-UVD1P TRANSCIEVER

Postby majorhavoc » Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:29 pm

I've owned a few items in my life where the mere act of disassembling them and reassembling them fixed an electrical problem. So I can't fault you for taking it apart even without any real electronics knowledge.

In my case, I probably somehow re-established a lose wiring connection somewhere. Problem with modern electronics is that there are very few actual wires anymore.
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Re: REVIEW: WOUXUN KG-UVD1P TRANSCIEVER

Postby crypto » Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:51 pm

Well, let me qualify what I said earlier: I am competent at soldering and basic circuit design. I built a 40m RockMite CW rig, and have built plenty of small electronics projects.

What I cannot do is troubleshoot a consumer electrics multi-layer PCB covered in micro-mini surfacemount components with 20 IC's on it.
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Re: REVIEW: WOUXUN KG-UVD1P TRANSCIEVER

Postby Redshirt » Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:04 am

Are you going to try out their warranty service?
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