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Re: (possibly) stress related twitch

Postby Doctorr Fabulous » Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:07 pm

dallas wrote:Before anyone can help, they need more info. I can give general advice,but not specific advice.

Was he exposed to IED of other explosions?
Did he have head trauma?
What twitches?

What you describe can be closed head trauma. Or even tumors. or other causes.


Wasn't within 50m of an IED. Never any injuries that were bad enough to warrant medical care, other than the poops and some hearing damage. Hands shake in low to no stress situations, and his head twitches, kind of like a Tourettes tic. Head goes from 12'o clock position (normal head position), chin jerks to the left, 90 degree axial rotation. Two to three twitches together every few minutes.

Barr, how did things end for you? What kind of treatment did they do? What specifically did you have to do to regain your gun rights? Did you have to give up the one's you had during treatment?

ETA: Barr, feel free to tell me to bugger off if you feel like it, or PM if you want things more private.
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Postby wee drop o' bush » Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:08 pm

That sounds bad Doc, he needs medical attention (IMHO) :(
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Re: (possibly) stress related twitch

Postby Doctorr Fabulous » Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:34 pm

What exactly is CBT?
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Postby wee drop o' bush » Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:37 pm

Doc Torr wrote:What exactly is CBT?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitiv ... al_therapy
This gives a good idea.
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Re: (possibly) stress related twitch

Postby Doctorr Fabulous » Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:48 pm

TL:read very little. So basically, the same time type of thing portrayed on TV, with the chaise lounge and sketchpad and guided discussion?

ODA, I see you checking out the thread. Any advice from your time?
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Postby wee drop o' bush » Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:52 pm

Doc Torr wrote:TL:read very little. So basically, the same time type of thing portrayed on TV, with the chaise lounge and sketchpad and guided discussion?

No chaise lounge, just an uncomfortable chair :)
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Re: (possibly) stress related twitch

Postby Doctorr Fabulous » Sun Oct 09, 2011 6:03 pm

Hmph. Guess it's time for "my friend" to look into some help then. Looked some of the helpsites involving PTSD. Going to sue GOA for intentionally publishing misleading information if I see another article like their one on the "Veterans Disarmament Bill" article. Seriously, that's borderline libel what they printed, having finally read the bill.

Anyhow, I'm sure he'd still love to hear any success stories or suggestions form others out there.
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Re: (possibly) stress related twitch

Postby Barr » Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:06 pm

Doc Torr wrote:
Barr, how did things end for you? What kind of treatment did they do? What specifically did you have to do to regain your gun rights? Did you have to give up the one's you had during treatment?

ETA: Barr, feel free to tell me to bugger off if you feel like it, or PM if you want things more private.


Things ended pretty well for me, I got to talk it out and come up with some healthier options than what I was doing, it helped me get back into my MMA training, and helped to get my focus off of everything I endured in my deployments, and I didn't have to do anything to regain my firearms rights, I had specifically asked a friend of mine that worked for the ATF and he told me everything was good there was nothing special that I had to do since it wasn't court ordered and they were expecting a pretty big influx of vet's with PTSD to be purchasing firearms so as long as the state was ok with it so was the ATF, I didn't have to give up anything while I was in the hospital but I was only allowed to have certain things while I was getting treatment since it was a mental institution, (kind of like in Basic/Boot Camp can't wear anything other than Uniform can't have knives shit like that) I was allowed to smoke but I had to ask for a lighter since there was a pyromaniac that was in there by court order but to be honest I can't blame them for that, (although I still sometimes hit the dirt when I hear a loud boom) I came out of it pretty well it took some time but it helped out more than I could do myself. Granted I still have some issues but they aren't anywhere near as bad as they were.

I really think you need to get your friend to talk to a professional and to keep it off the books (if he plans on being a career Marine) I know he can go talk to the chaplain without chaplain getting all religious on him but It probably wouldn't be a bad Idea if you went to the chaplain to get kind of an idea of how the chaplain will handle it, or he can go to the mental health wing of the Hospital (since you are on Lejuene I can't really tell you where that is but I know damn well it's there).

Short Anecdote: A buddy of mine from my unit got out about the same time I did and had similar tics and mentality as your friend he struggled for a little while and seemed to get it all together without getting professional help got married had some kids yadda yadda yadda living the american dream, and about a year ago we went on a hunting trip, he went off to take a leak and I heard a shotgun go off, to this day his widow is still pissed at me for not stopping him.
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Re: (possibly) stress related twitch

Postby dallas » Sun Oct 09, 2011 9:41 pm

He needs a medical evaluation. It could be a disease not post traumatic. Take a look at this article.

http://www.touchneurology.com/articles/ ... iderations

The hand twitch and neck could be Parkinson's. It could even explain the mood changes and sleep problems. Don't play around get an evaluation for it.
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Re: (possibly) stress related twitch

Postby dallas » Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:56 am

I case anyone is interested, here are some articles to look at on possible organic causes.

http://cpmcnet.columbia.edu/dept/neurol ... ssary.html

http://www.aan.com/go/education/curricu ... l/chapter9

http://www.froedtert.com/SpecialtyAreas ... Disorders/

I have even seen similar presentations from intracranial parasites.
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Re: (possibly) stress related twitch

Postby Bonecrusher Doc » Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:33 am

dallas wrote:I have even seen similar presentations from intracranial parasites.


:shock:

Uhh - get that man to a doctor now.
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Re: (possibly) stress related twitch

Postby Doctorr Fabulous » Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:06 am

Status update. I have been bounced between more clinics than a Munchausen's patient with a trust fund. Now, I get to go back to the first place I was seen and hopefully this time I get more than a McDonald's version. The last place I went, I was about an inch from just taking the lady's computer, and pushing the correct butans instead of wasting my time answering verbal questions.

Unfortunately, I have no say in what sort of treatment I get. However, If by December first, I don't have a schedule for treatment, I will open The Can of Worms and start running high and to the right. My goal is to see if I can get a statement in front of a General-grade officer. Failing that, there will be letters to Congress, which means a giant ball of fecal wonderment will start rolling down I-95 and will explode at the front gate, showering every clinic that has bounced me elsewhere with love and joy and stacks of paper for the commanding officers.

Also, I have a number for a place that can get me seeing someone ASAP, should this next appointment turn out to be a "Here, you take him."
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Re: (possibly) stress related twitch

Postby Rugger » Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:17 am

What I'm about to mention is not an illegal activity. I was talking about this thread with my family member that dealt with this and he offered another work around.

The relative that used the church counselor in an earlier post, also took anti-depressants. He kept this off the books as well by purchasing them in Mexico where they are an OTC med. He declared them when coming back across and never had any problems. You just can't purchase them in quantities that would indicate you would be selling them. Don't know what the magic number is so I wouldn't suggest purchasing a years worth.
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Re: (possibly) stress related twitch

Postby Doctorr Fabulous » Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:38 am

Anti-depressants would flick me from "hyper-aware" to "meth-baby." Not to mention, for military, taking any medication off the books is a felony offense, especially psychoactive medicines. I appreciate the advice, but I need this to get run through the proper channels, in case I have to deal with a relapse in the future, or complications after I end my service.
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Re: (possibly) stress related twitch

Postby WY_Not » Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:44 am

RE: Meds...

Yep. Find a way to deal with the root causes rather than simply finding a way to treat the symptoms.
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Postby wee drop o' bush » Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:46 pm

Sometimes discovering the root causes isn't enough to alleviate the symptoms though (in my own experience)

Mental health problems can be too deeply entrenched to simply disappear when you know the cause.
Neurobiological makeup, patterns of cognition & basic personality all effect treatment outcome. IMHO YMMV
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Re: (possibly) stress related twitch

Postby WY_Not » Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:54 pm

Didn't say to just find the root cause. Said, find a way to deal with the root cause. aka treat the cause while managing the symptoms don't just treat the symptoms.

wee drop o' bush wrote:Sometimes discovering the root causes isn't enough to alleviate the symptoms though (in my own experience)

Mental health problems can be too deeply entrenched to simply disappear when you know the cause.
Neurobiological makeup, patterns of cognition & basic personality all effect treatment outcome. IMHO YMMV
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Postby wee drop o' bush » Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:57 pm

WY_Not wrote:Didn't say to just find the root cause. Said, find a way to deal with the root cause. aka treat the cause while managing the symptoms don't just treat the symptoms.

wee drop o' bush wrote:Sometimes discovering the root causes isn't enough to alleviate the symptoms though (in my own experience)

Mental health problems can be too deeply entrenched to simply disappear when you know the cause.
Neurobiological makeup, patterns of cognition & basic personality all effect treatment outcome. IMHO YMMV

good point I understand what you mean now.
I just hate the 'I realise why I'm so fucked up & now I feel all better' myth.
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Re: (possibly) stress related twitch

Postby skelco » Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:20 pm

Have you looked into off-base counselors or groups? Is this something you are allowed to do while on active duty?

From my own (admittedly non-military) experience the help available is worth looking into and the paper trail is minimal or non-existant. Basically, it's between you and your counsellor, unless they really believe you are a danger to yourself and others. And don't let that scare you off either, counsellors are trained and used to dealing with people in distress, and calling in the "authorities" every time someone says they are "so depressed they want to die" or they are "so angry they could kill someone" is counterproductive to therapy. There has to be a real threat of harm. Groups can be very informal, some along the AA model where you don't even have to use your name. Dont be afraid to try different counselors and groups, you have to find what works for you.

Like the old saying: The first thing is to admit to yourself that you need help. It really pisses me of that it's still such a stigma for service members and veterans to get the help that they need and that there is such a stigma and even the real threat of losing rights.

One more thing: For physical symptoms of stress, I have had good luck with acupuncture.
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Re: (possibly) stress related twitch

Postby Doctorr Fabulous » Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:57 pm

There's currently no threat of me losing any rights, since it's voluntary, and I'd like to get paperwork started now. The basic rule of thumb is, if you don't have a paper saying it happened while you were in, it's probably not going to be covered by the VA.
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Re: (possibly) stress related twitch

Postby Ansgar » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:11 pm

Doc Torr wrote:The basic rule of thumb is, if you don't have a paper saying it happened while you were in, it's probably not going to be covered by the VA.


So true. The VA denied coverage for one of my teeth but approved the other two(training accident) because my Army dental records didn't mention that all of the capillaries in that section of my gums had been completely destroyed, killing the tooth due to a lack of blood flow to the fleshy/nerve-y part. So, yes, they won't cover it unless they can't find a way out of it.

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Re: (possibly) stress related twitch

Postby Mr. E. Monkey » Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:11 am

Ansgar wrote:Godspeed, Marine. Here's hoping you get the help you need.

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Re: (possibly) stress related twitch

Postby Rugger » Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:15 am

I didn't mean to imply that meds were the answer. They're a tool to help with the problem. Work on the root cause/issue through counseling, while helping and treating the symptoms through meds. When I went through my divorce and custody battle I needed meds to take the edge off. I refused to take anything for quite a while (it was a long and drawn out ordeal), but finally said ok after not sleeping for about 6 months. And it's not what I thought it would be. I was worried about becoming "zombified" and what not. Not the case at all. Didn't take away emotions or reactions, just let me stop thinking about everything when I decided to stop thinking about it. No more running through stuff in my head endlessly while at work or while trying to go to sleep. Basically it let me pull myself out of a mental rut and not stay stuck in that frame of mind.
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Postby wee drop o' bush » Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:38 am

Good Mental Health care both alleviates the symptoms & helps the person to work through the underlying problem.

Some people though will always need to take Pyschatric Meds to keep them well. It's not ideal but at least the sufferer can function at some level.
No amount of CBT etc whilst extremely beneficial is going to change that.

Doc I hope you get whatever help is needed, PM me if you need to. {{E-Hugs}}
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