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Re: The Country Wisdom Thread

Postby ShovelBoy » Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:41 pm

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Apparently it wasn't Planck. It was Otto Warburg.

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/ ... g-bio.html

His findings imply that:

'Basically 99% of the time a terminal cancer victim body is a thousand time more acidic, then normal. But both these environments are causing a low or no oxygen environment which cancer loves you for.

This is causing a low oxygen environment. Which means you are normally calcium deficient. And your cells are oxygen starved.'

http://www.nobelprizewinning.com/2009/0 ... nning.html

Calcium's good for teeth/bone. Calcium deficiency = bad. Acidic environment = less calcium. An alkaline environment mitigates this. So two birds with one stone.

Electro-shock for bites:

'Why Does It Work? The biological reason electroshock treatment neutralizes the incompatible alien proteins of snake venom remains unclear. Besides proteins, snake venom contains enzymes and trace elements that could easily be uncoupled or ionized by high-voltage electricity. In the British medical journal, The Lancet (Dec. 6, 1986), C. Kroege and K H. Meyer propose the theory that electricity may neutralize the snake venom by destroying the secondary and tertiary structures of enzymes by influencing their hydrogen bonds. High voltage electricity may also reduce metal ions that are attached to harmful enzymes, thus making these enzymes no longer destructive. Also since body tissue is negatively charged and snake venom is positively charged, unlike charges attract. With the application of electricity, venom may become negatively charged, thus negating its magnetic attraction to body tissue.'

http://electroshockbite.blogspot.com/

As for the 'dam' - It's an analogy [No citation needed.]

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ShovelBoy wrote:This isn't country wisdom as such, but I figure it's pretty handy to know.

Cancer can only exist in an acid environment - Max Planck won a Nobel Prize for finding that out in 1913 [or it could have been 1917.] [citation needed]Anyway, a teaspoon or two of food-grade baking soda and a tablespoon of raw honey/maple syrup/molasses taken thrice daily can be pretty deadly to cancerous tumours. [citation needed] Mix em up in a pan on a gentle heat and down the hatch... Cancers munch on sugar and these types are instantly available forms of such, so the tumour eats em pronto and takes the baking soda with it.[citation needed] The raw/healthy sugars are the Trojan Horse, the baking soda Greek soldiers who unboard and wreak havoc on the lil bastard.[citation needed] Some scientists say[citation needed] that no bacteriological pathogen - and thus disease - can exist in an alkaline environment.[citation needed] Alkaline-forming foods are - to put it simply - raw foods, foods which live. Food as it's supposed to be, sprouts most of all.[citation needed] Acid-forming foods are the typical Western junk - processed flour, sugar, coffee, sodas, tobacco, alcohol. [citation needed]

I'm working on re-alkalising my body [sprouts, cilantro, herbal teas basically.] I've read stories of people who've done re-alkalising diets and they say they're great.[original research] Even better - They're amazing for your teeth/bones. Your teeth and bones are always re-mineralising themselves, but acid-forming foods - white flour acts almost exactly the same way as sugar in the body - prevent the healing from becoming tangible[citation needed] - It's more the re-mineralising playing catch-up. However, do away with the acid-forming foods and teeth regrow[citation needed], just so long as the nerve's intact.

There's something called 'homeostasis' in the body - It's where the body leeches nutrients from certain parts in order to transfer them to others. Calcium from teeth/bone is a classic example... Think of it like a hole in a dam - The body pulls a few bricks out to help plug a hole somewhere else. An alkaline diet will basically build new bricks for the body to use.[citation needed]

In order to support the above:

One woman switched to an alkaline diet. A year later, her teeth were in fantastic condition and she had no joint pain.[citation needed] Her fillings fell out because he teeth had completely regrown.[citation needed]

A young lad with two dentists for parents had a huge cavity in a molar. He took 2 slices of toast with raw butter/honey every day, and his mum got him to take a teaspoon of fermented cod liver oil and 3 capsules of butter oil a day. A few months later, the tooth had completely regrown.[citation needed]

Even if that sounds like madness, sprouts are still hella good. Maybe I'm preaching to the choir, but they've got 20x as many vitamins and minerals than the unsprouted version of the seed/bean/nut.[citation needed]

In an aside, I think most poisons are acid-based or acid-forming... So baking soda should go some way towards dispensing them if applied internally/externally.[citation needed] Dunno how much you'd need.

However! The best way of treating snake-bites is an electric shock to the area affected.[citation needed] With a certain voltage [not too much], the shock will break down the proteins which constitute the poison and make it metabolisable by the body.[citation needed] This can be administered by tazer[citation needed] or hooking up some clips from a car battery/bike to the affected area and running the motor in short bursts[citation needed]. One girl in India got bitten by a cobra[citation needed], an Indian with a motorbike did the above and she was fine in 15 minutes.[citation needed]

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Baking soda works, and you won't smell all funky[citation needed].



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Re: The Country Wisdom Thread

Postby ShovelBoy » Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:50 pm

Additional:

'Alkaline tissue holds 20 times more oxygen than does acidic tissue and this oxygen rich environment prevents further cancer cell growth. In a pH of 8.0 or greater, cancer cells and cancer-causing pathogenic microbes (viruses, bacteria, fungus) cannot survive.'

http://www.alternative-cancer-care.com/ ... aline.html

No studies linked in that but:

http://www.danreid.org/health-alerts-he ... bonate.asp

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Re: The Country Wisdom Thread

Postby Regular Guy » Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:52 pm

Bro, this says theory, may, and propose. All that means its not been tested or proven.
" propose the theory that electricity may neutralize the snake venom by destroying the secondary and tertiary structures of enzymes by influencing their hydrogen bonds. High voltage electricity may also reduce metal ions that are attached to harmful enzymes, thus making these enzymes no longer destructive."

This is not fact. And it says high voltage, I'm not sure on how much voltage but a snake bite victim may be in shock so high voltage may kill them in and of it self.
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Re: The Country Wisdom Thread

Postby ShovelBoy » Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:57 pm

Um, there's lots of proof in the link. If you read it properly, the researchers say they don't know why electricity destroys venom, but still, it does. In a SHTF situation,that could save your life.

In regards to demands for 'proof':

Some hundreds of years ago, the Bard said 'We are such stuff as dreams are made on.' This means that life is a fiction. Since however, science has showed that dimethyltryptamine, the 'dreaming molecule', is present in all organic life. So it was true in that sense, also. He didn't have spectrometers, but he knew. He also said 'The medicinable sun...'. Humans/animals synthesise vitamin D from sunlight, which is essential for a well-functioning immune system. He didn't have a spectrometer for that, nevertheless, it was true when he said it and it's just as true now.

Ergo, truth exists independently of empirical verification. Proving something as being true doesn't make it true, merely grounded in the sensible world. Soooo...

'Know thyself'

Lurkin' time...

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Regular Guy wrote:Bro, this says theory, may, and propose. All that means its not been tested or proven.
" propose the theory that electricity may neutralize the snake venom by destroying the secondary and tertiary structures of enzymes by influencing their hydrogen bonds. High voltage electricity may also reduce metal ions that are attached to harmful enzymes, thus making these enzymes no longer destructive."

This is not fact. And it says high voltage, I'm not sure on how much voltage but a snake bite victim may be in shock so high voltage may kill them in and of it self.
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Re: The Country Wisdom Thread

Postby Regular Guy » Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:21 pm

No, there isn't proof in that link. It's a theory. Guess what, electricity destroys lots of stuff at high voltage. It doesn't mean it works in this specific application. Im absolutely positive sure no one has ever been saved from invenomation using that method.
Edit: why doesn't the surrounding tissue effected by the.electricity? It's so wrong.
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Re: The Country Wisdom Thread

Postby ShovelBoy » Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:45 pm

I wrote those on the basis of what I'd been reading into. If it works it works - Don't jump down my throat. All science is 'theory'. NO such thing as a scientific 'fact' - Trust me. You think truth is confined to scientific studies? Gee Batman, it looks like someone's been conditioned into only trusting information from authority figures

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Re: The Country Wisdom Thread

Postby elricfate » Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:52 pm

ShovelBoy wrote:I wrote those on the basis of what I'd been reading into. If it works it works - Don't jump down my throat. All science is 'theory'. NO such thing as a scientific 'fact' - Trust me. You think truth is confined to scientific studies? Gee Batman, it looks like someone's been conditioned into only trusting information from authority figures

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Regular Guy wrote:No, there isn't proof in that link. It's a theory. Guess what, electricity destroys lots of stuff at high voltage. It doesn't mean it works in this specific application. Im absolutely positive sure no one has ever been saved from invenomation using that method.


I'm going to say this and try not to sound like an ass, but you realize that the word "Theory" and the usage of it in the two word phrase "Scientific Theory" are completely different, right?
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Re: The Country Wisdom Thread

Postby ShovelBoy » Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:22 pm

Of course there's a contextual difference, but the appellation of 'scientific' isn't like adding granulated truth to it.

This unshakeable faith in science... 'It gets results.' So you have faith in results, then...

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Regular Guy wrote:No, there isn't proof in that link. It's a theory. Guess what, electricity destroys lots of stuff at high voltage. It doesn't mean it works in this specific application. Im absolutely positive sure no one has ever been saved from invenomation using that method.


I'm going to say this and try not to sound like an ass, but you realize that the word "Theory" and the usage of it in the two word phrase "Scientific Theory" are completely different, right?
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Re: The Country Wisdom Thread

Postby crypto » Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:25 pm

I trust things that have been extensively peer-reviewed. The only people competent to perform rigorous peer-review on scientific matters, are SURPRISE! considered authorities and subject matter experts.

Holy fucking shit, you dont science very well at all. What you're cloaking under the mantle of "the democratization of science" is really just a bunch of jackassed imbeciles ranting their stupid theories on the internet.


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Re: The Country Wisdom Thread

Postby DarkAxel » Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:26 pm

Um, guys, there's a lot of dick waving about citations and science in a thread that offers such gems as

lailr wrote:If you kill a rattlesnake, leave it out, and it's mate will come lay out next to it


You are fucking up a good thread. Please take it to PM's, please.
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Re: The Country Wisdom Thread

Postby Regular Guy » Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:43 pm

ShovelBoy wrote:I wrote those on the basis of what I'd been reading into. If it works it works - Don't jump down my throat. All science is 'theory'. NO such thing as a scientific 'fact' - Trust me. You think truth is confined to scientific studies? Gee Batman, it looks like someone's been conditioned into only trusting information from authority figures
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Regular Guy wrote:No, there isn't proof in that link. It's a theory. Guess what, electricity destroys lots of stuff at high voltage. It doesn't mean it works in this specific application. Im absolutely positive sure no one has ever been saved from invenomation using that method.


Geesh, really there are no scientific facts? Look guy if you don't want to trust competent authorities, fine, but please don't try to tell me what you're selling is even remotely true. I'm done here.
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Re: The Country Wisdom Thread

Postby shrapnel » Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:44 pm

Take it to PM.
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Re: The Country Wisdom Thread

Postby ShovelBoy » Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:00 pm

This book looks rather interesting:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lost-Language-P ... 815&sr=8-1

Argues that, despite modern man's pretensions to the contrary, he does infact share a primal link with other organic life. There's even some scientific studies in there to prove as such.

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Re: The Country Wisdom Thread

Postby KnightoftheRoc » Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:10 am

I'm sure this one is no news to anyone, but- "Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics- even if you win..." I don't think I need to finish that one, do I? It seems somehow apropos here...
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Re: The Country Wisdom Thread

Postby Woods Walker » Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:21 am

ShovelBoy wrote:However! The best way of treating snake-bites is an electric shock to the area affected. With a certain voltage [not too much], the shock will break down the proteins which constitute the poison and make it metabolisable by the body. This can be administered by tazer or hooking up some clips from a car battery/bike to the affected area and running the motor in short bursts. One girl in India got bitten by a cobra, an Indian with a motorbike did the above and she was fine in 15 minutes.


My advice to anyone reading this is to get proper medical treatment. Snakes can give what is known as a dry bite, no venom or a reduced amount but get proper medical help ASAP as the more time the greater the damage. This type of bullshit can actually get someone hurt if they believe it. Posting this crap is wrong on many levels.
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Re: The Country Wisdom Thread

Postby ShovelBoy » Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:44 pm

Oo, dat true. Venomous snake bite*. I'll edit

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ShovelBoy wrote:However! The best way of treating snake-bites is an electric shock to the area affected. With a certain voltage [not too much], the shock will break down the proteins which constitute the poison and make it metabolisable by the body. This can be administered by tazer or hooking up some clips from a car battery/bike to the affected area and running the motor in short bursts. One girl in India got bitten by a cobra, an Indian with a motorbike did the above and she was fine in 15 minutes.


My advice to anyone reading this is to get proper medical treatment. Snakes can give what is known as a dry bite, no venom or a reduced amount but get proper medical help ASAP as the more time the greater the damage. This type of bullshit can actually get someone hurt if they believe it. Posting this crap is wrong on many levels.
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Re: The Country Wisdom Thread

Postby TDW586 » Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:12 am

And the missing the point award goes to.....

Back O/T now, folks? I love this thread. As a reminder, the topic is "Country Wisdom.

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Re: The Country Wisdom Thread

Postby lailr » Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:46 am

DarkAxel wrote:Um, guys, there's a lot of dick waving about citations and science in a thread that offers such gems as

lailr wrote:If you kill a rattlesnake, leave it out, and it's mate will come lay out next to it



It's the truth though....don't get all greenie tree-hugger on me....see how many rattlesnakes you like to have in your corn-crib.....My granddad would have beat my ass for killing a black snake, but in a barn full of old shit, it's easy to get bit moving stuff around...if you think I'm full of crap, try it
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Re: The Country Wisdom Thread

Postby DarkAxel » Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:23 pm

lailr wrote:
DarkAxel wrote:Um, guys, there's a lot of dick waving about citations and science in a thread that offers such gems as

lailr wrote:If you kill a rattlesnake, leave it out, and it's mate will come lay out next to it



It's the truth though....don't get all greenie tree-hugger on me....see how many rattlesnakes you like to have in your corn-crib.....My granddad would have beat my ass for killing a black snake, but in a barn full of old shit, it's easy to get bit moving stuff around...if you think I'm full of crap, try it


Chill, dude. I wasn't knocking your post. It was just an illustration of the stupidity of the argument. Arguing pure science in a thread devoted to country wisdom is completely off topic. I'm pretty sure there's no hard science behind your post.

BTW, The only time I hug a tree is when I'm climbing one to set up a tree stand during deer season. :wink: And I've killed my fair share of snakes.

Now, for me, back OT:

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The Country Wisdom Thread

Postby ScottAW » Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:29 pm

Ok, don't ever prick yourself with something rusty, tetanus sucks.

But if you have a wart, soak it nightly in apple cider vinegar and it will fall off.

Apple cider vinegar is basically old country magic juice.
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Re: The Country Wisdom Thread

Postby lailr » Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:08 pm

DarkAxel wrote:
lailr wrote:
DarkAxel wrote:Um, guys, there's a lot of dick waving about citations and science in a thread that offers such gems as

lailr wrote:If you kill a rattlesnake, leave it out, and it's mate will come lay out next to it



It's the truth though....don't get all greenie tree-hugger on me....see how many rattlesnakes you like to have in your corn-crib.....My granddad would have beat my ass for killing a black snake, but in a barn full of old shit, it's easy to get bit moving stuff around...if you think I'm full of crap, try it


Chill, dude. I wasn't knocking your post. It was just an illustration of the stupidity of the argument. Arguing pure science in a thread devoted to country wisdom is completely off topic. I'm pretty sure there's no hard science behind your post.

BTW, The only time I hug a tree is when I'm climbing one to set up a tree stand during deer season. :wink: And I've killed my fair share of snakes.

Now, for me, back OT:

If you prick a wart with a rusty nail and bury it before sunset, the wart will dry up and fall off.



Hugged plenty of trees myself that way :D You're right, no science there......

Never kill and eat squirell or rabbit if the month does not have an "R" in it..it'll have worms in it......not sure how that works with people north of the Mason-Dixon though
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Re: The Country Wisdom Thread

Postby aephilli » Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:01 pm

KnightoftheRoc wrote:just heard this one yesterday, cannot verify it from personal experience. I DO trust the person who told me (he's the one who told me about the tobacco trick), and he says he witnessed it first hand. Anyway, Jellyfish Stings- douse with vinegar immediately, and the pain is washed away with the vinegar. I'm not much for spending time on the shore, and honestly, I would have NEVER thought of this one on my own, but it's a pretty cool trick, and cheap to prep for.


Mustard has a lot of vinegar in it and will work. (most folks don't carry vinegar with their picnic to the beach, but a lot of us carry mustard)
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Re: The Country Wisdom Thread

Postby Davo » Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:31 pm

Can you folks use your directional indicators in adavance when you spin the wheel and take the thread in a new direction like that, please? I almost fell out of my seat.
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Re: The Country Wisdom Thread

Postby jojo200517 » Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:52 pm

Dang what happened to peeing on a jellyfish sting? Never heard the mustard or vinegar thing.

Can you folks use your directional indicators in adavance when you spin the wheel and take the thread in a new direction like that, please? I almost fell out of my seat.
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If you prick a wart with a rusty nail and bury it before sunset, the wart will dry up and fall off.

I'll keep the wart and take a pass on the tetanus

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