DONT USE A POLICE BATON

[squinty]

Definitely baton over a knife. Reach.

Plus, it's pretty tough to break an attacker's arm with a pocket knife. You shatter the arm, tho, and they're pretty much done holding a knife with that hand. Completely shifts their focus, lol.

Generally I'd agree. But what about up close or in a clinch where you couldn't swing a baton?

Have you trained with a knife? Or a baton? For close-in fighting, if you can use one, you can likely use the other. Swinging a baton does not HAVE to involve a lot of arm motion, especially if you've practiced, and have gotten the wrist work down. The only time I'd say the baton would lose over the knife, would be if the knife wielder managed to grapple in close, sort of a hug type of movement, like when boxers get in a 'clinch'- there, the advantage goes to the stabby-stabby motion of the knife wielder.

I was thinking of the defender using a knife when pinned or clinched by an attacker. A situation that I think women being sexually assaulted might find themselves in. Of course it's hard to access a knife in a clinch, but it's hard to access any type of weapon in those circumstances.

Now, in a 'fight' or fencing match, if I had to pick one and give my attacker the other, and there was room to move, then the baton would be the better defensive weapon and I'd happily deploy it against the knife wielder's fingers, wrist and forearm, while staying just outside of blade range.

[Hollis]

Generally I'd agree. But what about up close or in a clinch where you couldn't swing a baton?

It is also a jabbing weapon. It has other uses too, than being a club.

[BullOnParade]

I have to admit, a audibly laugh whenever this thread comes to page one, serious post or not. It's a legacy to the OP, two years after it started, and the OP account is no longer active, people still discuss the impracticalities of a collapsible baton.

And reach speaks volumes, so blue wire your knife to the end of your baton.

[Hollis]

Threads tend to take on a life of their own. The op no longer is a issue, people are addressing each other.


Let see, should I use duct tape or wire to attach my knife to my baton?

[mzmadmike]

Let see, should I use duct tape or blue wire to attach my knife to my baton?

Both.

[squinty]

Duct tape a length of blue wire securely to the end of the baton, and duct tape the other end to the handle of your knife, and swing it round and round frantically at your attacker.

Sooner or later the tape will give way, at which time you have flying tactical knife bolo! as the blade and cord fly into the face of the Zed in front of you*. And a police baton.


(*Or beside you. Or, in some random direction anywhere from 1 to 359 degrees away from "in front of you.")

[squinty]

Don't use a police baton....like this ^^^. I was kidding.

[mzmadmike]

If you do tape the knife to the police baton, you'll have the Pointy Stick, which Ungh, Hunt Leader of the 7th Cave called "The finest implement of battle ever devised" 28,326 years ago.

[squinty]

I'm sure there were efforts to ban it. History does not record a "pointy stick control" movement, but I bet there was one.

"No honest man need stick to be long and pointy!" etc.

[mzmadmike]

They did ban pointy sticks with batons made of maple. It was considered non-sporting. Only the ash and alder batons are considered sporting.

Collapsible steel would be the definition of an assault baton.

[yipe]

So I'm getting a yes on baton for female self-defense at work except from the guy from Geico?

And try once again to get her to carry a small knife for last ditch anti-rape defense?

Okay, seriously, what is this blue wire stuff you guys keep talking about?

[Rugger]

I'm sure there were efforts to ban it. History does not record a "pointy stick control" movement, but I bet there was one.

"No honest man need stick to be long and pointy!" etc.

They did ban pointy sticks with batons made of maple. It was considered non-sporting. Only the ash and alder batons are considered sporting.

Collapsible steel would be the definition of an assault baton.

If you do tape the knife to the police baton, you'll have the Pointy Stick, which Ungh, Hunt Leader of the 7th Cave called "The finest implement of battle ever devised" 28,326 years ago.

[Hollis]

So I'm getting a yes on baton for female self-defense at work except from the guy from Geico?

And try once again to get her to carry a small knife for last ditch anti-rape defense?

Okay, seriously, what is this blue wire stuff you guys keep talking about?

two points of contention.

small knife.......... you need a Crocodile Dundee knife, that is a knife. Small knives are not knives, they are a novelty item.

Wire is wire, mentioning a specific color makes it a OPSEC violation of the Zombie eradication code. just sayin'

[yipe]

So I'm getting a yes on baton for female self-defense at work except from the guy from Geico?

And try once again to get her to carry a small knife for last ditch anti-rape defense?

Okay, seriously, what is this blue wire stuff you guys keep talking about?

two points of contention.

small knife.......... you need a Crocodile Dundee knife, that is a knife. Small knives are not knives, they are a novelty item.

Not really practical for carry at work you know? The baton she can hide in her purse but the baton and the knife? That's gonna get noticed at the wrong time.

[mzmadmike]

My wife carries a 4" fixed blade (of the kind we can't get anymore. Out of production), baton, tear gas, Taurus 617 and two speedloaders in her purse, plus field dressings and disinfectant.

[Hollis]

Not really practical for carry at work you know? The baton she can hide in her purse but the baton and the knife? That's gonna get noticed at the wrong time.

Maybe she can say that she is a understudy for the gal in the Kill Bill movies and need to carry a Katana on her back to get use to it. I think some creative ingenuity is needed right now.

[BullOnParade]

Thank god this thread didn't stay serious for long ...

I've always considered knives to be a dangerous self defense tool for one to carry, due to the higher risk of the weapon being taken from the victim, and used against them. I've also been told many times, if you're in a knife fight, you're going to get cut, win or lose. Best case, most of those cuts will need stitches.

Also, if your knife is second deployment to your baton, your attacker now has your baton, well ... we just went over how this scenario goes down. Baton>knife>fist>cus words.

If you're serious about a knife, I've had my eye on the Cold Steel double agent II for a while now. It offers the advantage of a grip that is difficult to be broken and remove the knife. Also, for a female self defense point of view, if worn as a neck knife, it is harder to be snatched away than a baton which is in her purse.

[mzmadmike]

Thank god this thread didn't stay serious for long ...

I've always considered knives to be a dangerous self defense tool for one to carry, due to the higher risk of the weapon being taken from the victim, and used against them. I've also been told many times, if you're in a knife fight, you're going to get cut, win or lose. Best case, most of those cuts will need stitches.

Thanks for the disclaimer. I thought you were being serious and was laughing my ass off.

[squinty]

They did ban pointy sticks with batons made of maple. It was considered non-sporting. Only the ash and alder batons are considered sporting.

Collapsible steel would be the definition of an assault baton.

But if you painted your ash or alder stick black and made it pointy, it would fall under the assault baton ban as well.

[squinty]

Someone link to the original katana/held inside the trench coat with rare earth magnets/wrapped in blue CAT5 for the best grip threads. I can't bring myself to do the search.

[BullOnParade]

Someone link to the original katana/held inside the trench coat with rare earth magnets/wrapped in blue CAT5 for the best grip threads. I can't bring myself to do the search.

Ahh ... classic ZS.

[Hollis]

Thank god this thread didn't stay serious for long ...

.

What, the outrage, I am being serious. Well kind of, or would have, I need someone to blame for this outrage of jocularity. Now where is a mod, when you need one.

[yipe]

Maybe she can say that she is a understudy for the gal in the Kill Bill movies and need to carry a Katana on her back to get use to it.

No.

I think some creative ingenuity is needed right now.

Yes.


Her boss has told her, "I think you should carry a weapon at this job, I do, but for legal reasons I can't know about it." Or something along those lines. He wears slacks and you can pretty easily tell he has a handgun strapped to his ankle if you bother to look. That said, it's gotta be a concealed weapon, thank god this state is cool with concealed weapons.

[mzmadmike]

Her boss has told her, "I think you should carry a weapon at this job, I do, but for legal reasons I can't know about it."

A hand grenade?