DONT USE A POLICE BATON

[squinty]

Granted! It flew straight to page one thanks to your bump!
(but this isn't the corrupt a wish thread. It's the police baton thread.)

[mzmadmike]

...to bump this thread to the top.

[squinty]

To baton the hatches!
To baton rouge!
To put on rouge!
To put rouge on bats!

When they come to take your weapons, don't wave your police baton in the air and yell "Moulon Rouge! Moulon Rouge!" Trust me, you've misunderstood!

[angelldizzz]

I saw some accesories that you can put on a baton to make it Smash a car window

http://www.bustacap.net/

[squinty]

...to bust a move! Bustacap, ok. Bust a window - if you gotta. But not to bust a move.

[maldon007]

I saw some accesories that you can put on a baton to make it Smash a car window

http://www.bustacap.net/

Seems a tad questionable as far as forum rules... Cant think of a legal reason to do it, unless I really reach deeply into fantasy land & find myself locked in (or out of) my own car, with access to a modded baton... Eh, who knows

[squinty]

You have to extricate someone from a wrecked car and the door latches don't work? I used to carry a spring loaded window breaker for that purpose.

[KnightoftheRoc]

I saw some accesories that you can put on a baton to make it Smash a car window

http://www.bustacap.net/

Seems a tad questionable as far as forum rules... Cant think of a legal reason to do it, unless I really reach deeply into fantasy land & find myself locked in (or out of) my own car, with access to a modded baton... Eh, who knows

I don't see a 'rules' issue, per se, but I have to wonder why you (it's a general "you", not specific to anyone) would want to A; spend the money and time installing a 'window buster', B; have no legitimate use for it being there MOST of the time, and C; possibly find out the hard way your AO has some law against it- or, just attract LE attention where none is needed, when you have a police baton that's perfectly capable of breaking a window as it is. I can order a "window breaking point" as a replacement cap for my 3D Maglite, or a stun gun type of cap for the same flashlight. In my area, the stun gun tip would be verboten, so that's out, and if I swing a 3D at a window, it's gonna break- why do I need a special point to focus the force? The end of the flashlight is already made with a corner, albeit rounded, that does the same thing. A police baton can be used the same way- strike with a corner.


I really WOULD like the stun cap, tho, despite what atrocities it probably does to battery life.

[angelldizzz]

I saw some accesories that you can put on a baton to make it Smash a car window

http://www.bustacap.net/

Seems a tad questionable as far as forum rules... Cant think of a legal reason to do it, unless I really reach deeply into fantasy land & find myself locked in (or out of) my own car, with access to a modded baton... Eh, who knows

Hey i used my keys as an emergency screw driver once, since then i started carrying a multi tool

here is the phrase again "its better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it"

[squinty]

One more striking surface on the baton, same as the hardened pommel on a lot of knives. I don't see the breaker cap being illegal in any context where the baton is legal. Tempered auto glass is actually hard to break. It helps to have a concentrated point to penetrate with.

[aus.templar]

back on topic guys...

DONT USE A POLICE BATON... to kill a topic

[KnightoftheRoc]

or a baby seal
wait- isn't that what they DO use???

[98pointsix]

or a dog
unless its specifically an ATF Baton.

[Browny]

I dont know how practical they would be, I'd be more likely to take a limb off.

But I like the concept!

[mzmadmike]

Browny: I've sold both of those and they stink.

[KnightoftheRoc]

I dont know how practical they would be, I'd be more likely to take a limb off.

But I like the concept!

Browny: I've sold both of those and they stink.

I teach a swordfighting course twice a week, so I'm familiar with the physics. The first one seems safer to me than the tonfa version, because it has the forearm cuff, but you really lose a lot of the mechanical advantage the sword enjoys when you shorten it up like that. The forearm support also eliminates any finesse you might have been able to employ, changing a skill into an arm flailing edged weapon attack that will leave you undefended the majority of the time spent using it. For the overall length, and given the assumption that you've solved whatever carry issues it would have, size, conceal-ability, legalities, etc., you'd be better off with an actual sword of the same length, and the training to use it effectively.

That's not even addressing the design and construction issues; mzmadmike would have more experience, presumably having handled them in person. Even the best sword design is going to suck if you make it out of pot metal, but using adamantine for a crappy design just makes a bad idea a long lasting bad idea.

[mzmadmike]

The former has a ridiculous blade held onto the arm mounts with cheap screws.

The latter tends to fall free, leaving you with a bizarre tonfa/knife combo that doesn't work as either. It's also usually a crappy blade.

Batons are not knives. That's why we have both.

[yipe]

My wife carried an expandable baton at her work, which is alone, overnight, at a hotel with no real security system (and definitely no security personnel). I've tried to get her to carry a knife but she refuses. She's fairly comfortable with the baton and I've gone over some does and don'ts. I had told heronly to pull it if it was time to use it, but she successfully intimidated two would-be attacker/robber-type bad guys into running away, so maybe my advice was wrong.

I've tried to get her to carry a knife, and a handgun, but she refuses.

They may not work against zombies, but what about real-world female self-defense?

[Hollis]

I would prefer a Cal-light(SP) over a baton. 5 cell or 7 cell, both are cool.

[Hollis]

My wife carried an expandable baton at her work, which is alone, overnight, at a hotel with no real security system (and definitely no security personnel). I've tried to get her to carry a knife but she refuses. She's fairly comfortable with the baton and I've gone over some does and don'ts. I had told heronly to pull it if it was time to use it, but she successfully intimidated two would-be attacker/robber-type bad guys into running away, so maybe my advice was wrong.

I've tried to get her to carry a knife, and a handgun, but she refuses.

They may not work against zombies, but what about real-world female self-defense?

We use to call them CP stick, this was in 1970 when I was in the MPs. I think I would prefer to have one over a knife.

[mzmadmike]

Definitely baton over a knife. Reach.

[squinty]

Generally I'd agree. But what about up close or in a clinch where you couldn't swing a baton?

[KnightoftheRoc]

Definitely baton over a knife. Reach.

Plus, it's pretty tough to break an attacker's arm with a pocket knife. You shatter the arm, tho, and they're pretty much done holding a knife with that hand. Completely shifts their focus, lol.

Generally I'd agree. But what about up close or in a clinch where you couldn't swing a baton?

Have you trained with a knife? Or a baton? For close-in fighting, if you can use one, you can likely use the other. Swinging a baton does not HAVE to involve a lot of arm motion, especially if you've practiced, and have gotten the wrist work down. The only time I'd say the baton would lose over the knife, would be if the knife wielder managed to grapple in close, sort of a hug type of movement, like when boxers get in a 'clinch'- there, the advantage goes to the stabby-stabby motion of the knife wielder.

[mzmadmike]

The only time I'd say the baton would lose over the knife, would be if the knife wielder managed to grapple in close, sort of a hug type of movement, like when boxers get in a 'clinch'- there, the advantage goes to the stabby-stabby motion of the knife wielder.

And that's when you beat him over the head as hard and fast as you can.