CountryJim wrote:I was in a similar situation when my firearm was accidently exposed and a city cop saw it. I followed his orders while verbally identifying myself as an off duty deputy sheriff. After I was proned out on the sidewalk, he was able to safely check my work ID card. I got an apology, which wasn't necessary because he was doing his job in the safest manner possible.
whisk.e.rebellion wrote:Okay, so there was probably an excited 911 call from some random person...something like, "OH MY GOD THERES A MAN WITH A *GUN*!" The cops have no way of knowing whether or not the guy's legit and have to roll out to the call.
This is how it should have gone down (though, I imagine you can carry a loaded firearm in PA):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFzH5Oe- ... r_embedded
The Philly and Oceanside police viloated these citizens rights just by approaching them without just cause. Since open carrry is legal in these cities, there's no reason to stop anyone who's carrying openly. If the LEO's presummed that these citizens are innocent, then there's no need to approach these citizens unless they're engageed in an unlawful act.
squinty wrote:Thing is, I don't necessarily disagree with you wrt compliance and staying cool when interacting with a police officer. Nor do I think the officer in the video was a "bad" cop - he just made two very common and understandable mistakes:
1)-assuming that an uncommon activity, that he personally disapproved of, must be an illegal activity, and
2)-assuming that the mere presence of a weapon equated to a direct and deliberate threat to his safety.
The issue isn't necessarily that police are corrupt or bad, but that they are often unaware of the legalities of open carry, and in places where it's uncommon they overreact to what isn't necessarily a threat to their safety. It's a training and education issue, more than an ethical/corruption issue.
I agree, often it's more of a training and education issue. Also, it's a cultural issue, i.e. guns are not a tool most people use or see in their everyday lives. There's always a few bad apples, but that's not common.