Wouldn't a Kukri be pretty effective?

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Postby -Jason- » Wed Aug 11, 2004 10:28 pm

I foubnd the same one for a better price, but I still need to know if they are able for combat.


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Postby Djinn » Wed Aug 11, 2004 10:30 pm

Actually Jamoni, the Falcata is pre-Roman. I don't believe it is known where it was originated, as versions have been known to exist in many places/cultures, the celts used em, romans, egyptians. I believe however, that the oldest evidence of falcata's were those og the egyptians. So it is likely that they originated somewhere near egypt. :) Could be wrong..been a while since I researched the topic...



- and a kukri would probably cost less that a falcata, but a falcata could do more damage that a kukri. But a falcata is also larger and heavier...so if you ever need to pick between them, think of those things. I'd rather have a falcata. :) Cleave right through everything.
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Postby jbpgx » Thu Aug 12, 2004 9:40 am

windless steelcraft is a desent company for steel to steel and would most likely hold up very well in a combat situation, i have one very simular to this one but mine was made in napal and can be completly striped for cleaning, which is very importantbecouse you can actually see the tang of the blade, the only reason i sugest cold steel is becouse i own half there knife line and have personally beat the hell out of everyone i own, and all they do is ask for morebut for you they just came out with a kukri machete at only 19.99, so i imediatly went out and got one and when i got home i seen it was identical to my htc kukri war sword exept it has a 13in blade and 1055 high carbon steel, evan though some dont like carbon steel the fact is you will never get the strength desired from stainless steels, not to mention it only weighs one lb, and still rockwells at high58-61 depending on heat treatment.
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Postby Ivan » Thu Aug 12, 2004 10:55 am

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Postby -Jason- » Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:06 pm

Zombie Sergeant wrote:I foubnd the same one for a better price, but I still need to know if they are able for combat.


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Postby jbpgx » Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:16 pm

i understand that i have serious grammer ishues, trust me ive been told this for years in college,and so i will continue to try harder, but i also dont type very fast, so i just try to get my comments out there, but you are right and i will proofread before i post, as i said earlier i have vast knowledge in the area of cutlery, steel to steel combat, and metalugy, so i dont want my comment disregarded becouse of gramer, so i will try but it is up to you to eccept my advise or not. im not trying to be cocky or anything but ive been studieing swordplay and cutlery throughout the world for fifteen years, so if anyone has any questions just ask and ill try to make my answer readable.thx
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Postby -Jason- » Thu Aug 12, 2004 1:25 pm

OK, I have one. Is the one I posted weapon capable or just a wall hanger. I dont think wall hangers are carbon steel but hell what do I know.
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Postby jbpgx » Thu Aug 12, 2004 2:05 pm

yes this kukri should serve your needs well considering that the greatest test on strength is when tested against another blade and no zombies carry swords the hardest object you will use it on is bone,but i still recomend looking to get a longer sword eventually becouse of reach, you want to stay as far away as possable, thats why evan though i prefer my kukri my katana is still my main weapon,after my shotgun of corse, the only reason i speak so fondly of melee weapons over guns is becouse you will have to eventually ditch your gun becouse a gun with no ammo is just a club.
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Postby -Jason- » Thu Aug 12, 2004 2:21 pm

So the one I posted for $15 is effective?
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Postby jbpgx » Thu Aug 12, 2004 2:32 pm

if it is what the site says than yes, it has a high carbon steel blade about 1/4inch thick,the only problem with these is it has a rat tail tang(meening the blade tapers into a rod through the handle)but yet are still constructed very well with a very strong tang, also it is true that the blade will tarnish so dont plan on fixing food with it and you should be fine,the blade shouldnt rust if you use basic care(clean the blood off)
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Postby jbpgx » Thu Aug 12, 2004 3:56 pm

like i said i knowledge of suvival not grammer. but thx for the help.lol
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Postby Joe Ghoul » Thu Aug 12, 2004 4:40 pm

I asked the question earlier about whether we were talking about an effective zombie weapon or not.

Is a kukri an effective zombie weapon?

No.

Is a kukri an effective nonzombie weapon?

Sure, its effective. But not ideal. The best fighting knives are pretty compact. That makes them easier to handle, manuever, and carry. I know a kukri looks neat, and its capable of some pretty devestating cuts. But, I think the main thing that it has going for it is its looks.

Just get a sheath knife in the 6 to 8 inch range and leave it at that.
BTW, the sword sized kukris aren't used for combat. They're used to behead water buffalo in a Ghurki ceremony. They're too awkward to be used for combat.

Back to my point about the kukri as a zombie weapon. Its not going to do anything that another tool wouldn't do better. Bladed weapons are not effective against the undead, with the possible exception of the ax.

So, if you want a kukri because you think it looks cool, just get a cheap one off the net. If you want to spend a bunch of money on a 'fighting knife', save your cash. Go get a less expensive, reliable knife like one of the Spec Plus models from Ontario Knife. A knife is going to be a tool in the PAW, not a main weapon.
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Postby jbpgx » Thu Aug 12, 2004 5:53 pm

Im sorry but i disagree as a last resort i belive a long enuff kukri could easly take off a head and mine only weighs 17oz, its very fast, i do agree that a fire arm used properly would be better but as i said before it will run out of ammo, personaly if i had that problem id go to any local hardware store and get me a 10 doller machete and run it over with my grinding stone, anythings better than nothing.
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Postby jamoni » Thu Aug 12, 2004 6:05 pm

Joe ghoul is pretty much correct. Regarding whether a knife is combat-capable, if it cuts, or even if it doesn't you can use it in combat. But if you want QUALITY, you never get something for nothing. Which is to say, stick with a known good brand like Cold Steel, SOG, SpecPlus, etc. And pay what it's worth. Also, I own one of the sword sized kuhkris. I think I'd be better armed with a sharp stick. It's slow, clumsy, and if you miss, you won't get a chance at a second attack.
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Postby jbpgx » Thu Aug 12, 2004 6:09 pm

how much does your kukri weigh?
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Postby jamoni » Thu Aug 12, 2004 6:13 pm

I don't have a scale, so I'm guessing, but I'd say about three pounds or more.
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Postby jbpgx » Thu Aug 12, 2004 6:27 pm

wow. as i said earlier mine only weighs 17oz(i do have a scale) and is very fast and is also 20 inches long. i dont know if you have seen cold steels video or not but i matched ther test with mine just to see if it could stay together and really take it.
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Postby Djinn » Thu Aug 12, 2004 9:25 pm

kukri - good knife for hurtin something...but still just a knife.
Falcata - good for killin stuff. Enough said. :)

When it comes to quality, the question is more "how much quality do you need?" The more quality you get, the more it'll cost you. Me, I want a Cold Steel Grosse Messer, high quality, but expensive as all hell. A falcata, however, even one that isn't designed for "live steel" combat, is still (unless made obviously cheap and shitty) plenty to cleave through something without too much damage to the blade. Most blades are, however, the second you use a non "live steel" weapon against something hard like steel, you'r going to ruin the blade. You just have to ask yourself, how much quality do you need. Are you planning on sword fighting anyone anytime soon? I use foam swords for that...metal ones are too expensive. :)
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Postby jamoni » Thu Aug 12, 2004 9:38 pm

A cheap blade will be subject to some or all of the following:
1. Blade chipping
2. Blade bending
3. Blade breaking
4. Not being able to hold a decent edge
5. Hardware working loose
6. Rust
The amount of quality you need in a knife is simple: When using it to save your life, it must perform. I won't trust my ass to a cheap blade. You can settle for less if you like, I'll stick with quality.
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Postby Djinn » Thu Aug 12, 2004 9:46 pm

I didn't mean that you should buy a cheap blade. Cheap blades are obviously...cheap. I have a sword that looks cheap as hell..and hey..it cost me like 10 bucks. I have a knife that looks fairly decent, and it cost me 10 bucks. Knives are generally less expensive, you don't need a lot of expensive ones, one good one is enough. For instance, a combat knife doesn't have to be really expensive. I have one, it has no edge so the only thing you can do with it is thrust, but it impales through things very nicely. Course...i'd rather have a ka-bar. lol. Swords are similar, you do not need a 200 dollar live-steel sword unless you are going to fight live-steel. Otherwise, you can just have a 100 dollar non live-steel sword, as long as it is still designed to cut. Don't bother with weapons that don't have edges, I say, if it isn't made with an edge, it probably isn't worth putting an edge in. -.-
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Postby raptorman » Thu Aug 12, 2004 10:02 pm

I don't know why, but when I think of the word kukri, I think of some pimple faced 12 year old sneaking around his neighborhood with a black sheet wrapped around him, pretending to be a Ninja.

I just can't take knife fighting seriously. I see knives as more of a tool than a weapon in a zombie world.

Reminds me of some terrible zombie fiction I read (obviously written by one of the above types), about the lead character (young teen) taking out zombies with his "trusty kukri." Of course the little bastard saved the day, and kissed the girl. (obviously his real life dream), and the story ended happily.

I wish I could find that pile of garbage and post some of it here, for all to see and laugh at.

End "anti-kukri, kantana, samurai, ninja, and all that other bullshit" RANT.

By the way, I don't think a "kukri" is a good weapon. For christ's sake, go buy a goddamn gun. (end rant for real this time).
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Postby -Jason- » Thu Aug 12, 2004 10:16 pm

raptorman wrote:I don't know why, but when I think of the word kukri, I think of some pimple faced 12 year old sneaking around his neighborhood with a black sheet wrapped around him, pretending to be a Ninja.

I just can't take knife fighting seriously. I see knives as more of a tool than a weapon in a zombie world.

Reminds me of some terrible zombie fiction I read (obviously written by one of the above types), about the lead character (young teen) taking out zombies with his "trusty kukri." Of course the little bastard saved the day, and kissed the girl. (obviously his real life dream), and the story ended happily.

I wish I could find that pile of garbage and post some of it here, for all to see and laugh at.

End "anti-kukri, kantana, samurai, ninja, and all that other bullshit" RANT.

By the way, I don't think a "kukri" is a good weapon. For christ's sake, go buy a goddamn gun. (end rant for real this time).



When 16 year olds can buy guns sure...
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Postby -Jason- » Thu Aug 12, 2004 10:23 pm

The $15 one on that site is a push tang. A knife can be used quickly and requires less recovery then an axe. Therefore I would choose a knife. Their also much more compact.
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