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[Mr. E. Monkey]

That middle Obrez is gnarly for sure. Like the look of the handle on that one the most. However, the bottom one I find intriguing, as it seems the barrel was bobbed at the shank. In this respects, would there be no rifling to engage? This reinforcing the notion that these were for up close, personal, and really nasty endeavors?

If that little chunk of copper and lead doesn't get them, the muzzle blast will, I guess.

See, I've got to say that the stock on the Finn might lend itself a bit better to being cut down than a straight Russian stock.




Hey, at least he's not getting a Hi-Point!

[NoMercy]

Just got her in the mail. $185 off Gunbroker cut and dry.

These Finn rifles are a beaut! Much heavier than their Russian stocked uncles. The stock the Finns use make the weight end up closer to that of a Garand. The sights are MUCH better, imo. Range report to follow. I'm going to love having one of these in my collection. I'm definitely going to buy a second one to keep as-is.

http://s1000.photobucket.com/albums/af1 ... %20Nagant/

Well....I would like you to know that I have lost all respect for you and your project after your decision to chop up a beautiful M39....

[12_Gauge_Chimp]

The way I see it, it's JamesCannon's gun and if he wanted to jam it into the ground and hang a plant on it, who are we to say he can't ?

Yeah, it's a shame he's doing it to a Finnish Mosin, but it was his money and I take some comfort in knowing he's turning it into a historically based project.

It's not like he's putting it into an ATI stock and hacking off the original bolt to put one of the god-awful ATI bent bolt Bubba kits on it.

[NoMercy]

If he did it to a common Mosin (like a 91/30.....) I wouldn't have a problem with it, but why does it have to be a Finn??

[JTNieman]

It's not like it's the last one in the world. In fact. I'm guaranteeing that fact.

I guess if y'all held these Mosins so dear... you should have bought them all up to keep them safe, huh?

[northernxposure]

I don't get it - and by "it" I'm referring to the backlash over a weapon that was made/modified based on a 100+ year old design, is 2-3MOA at BEST and in many cases worse, is not the best design in regards to a bolt action, and obviously there's enough of them still around that it commands a going price of 180$.

180$, for an antique comblock surplus rifle that has apparently made a few of the masses squeal in pain at the thought that someone would do anything but rub it down with CLP and Pledge. There are how many of these things running around?

Seriously, if it pains you that much take a 180$ from your pocket and buy one. Hell, buy two so you can run akimbo in your own fantasy.

James bought it - it's his to tinker with - if you wish it was yours, you should have sniped the bid. Quityerbitchenkthnx

James -

You going to refinish the stock on it after you cut it down? From the pic the stock actually looks like it's got decent grain.

NXP

[Mr. E. Monkey]

The way I see it, it's JamesCannon's gun and if he wanted to jam it into the ground and hang a plant on it, who are we to say he can't ?

Yeah, it's a shame he's doing it to a Finnish Mosin, but it was his money and I take some comfort in knowing he's turning it into a historically based project.

It's not like he's putting it into an ATI stock and hacking off the original bolt to put one of the god-awful ATI bent bolt Bubba kits on it.

That's about my take on it, too. And heck, I'll be honest--an Obrez project? That is cool.

I guess if y'all held these Mosins so dear... you should have bought them all up to keep them safe, huh?

I guess you got me there!

[Mr. E. Monkey]

Hell, buy two so you can run akimbo in your own fantasy.

Quit putting these ideas in my head, man!

[shoggoth80]

"Seriously, if it pains you that much take a 180$ from your pocket and buy one"
-Most Finns aren't $180. Those that are either have a lot of wear on the outside (most seem to retain nice bores), or there are splits in the wood. See the lower concept pic of JC's Obrez, there is a split there on the left side near the wrist. It's not unusual to see splits in Finn stocks... but I would make sure it is stable at least before shooting it. The Finns had some neat ways of repairing the stocks though.

[JTNieman]

You going to refinish the stock on it after you cut it down? From the pic the stock actually looks like it's got decent grain.
NXP

The stock is BEAUTIFUL.

However, I'm going to have to remove the stain. The wood appears to be fabulous. I had my eye on a beautiful striped wood Mosin, which I used the pictures of to make the Obrez "photoshop" pic. However, upon more contact with the seller, there were semi-serious cracks behind the tang that concerned me.

If I could get by without stripping and refinishing it, I would. However, since I'm going to have to cut, form, and sand the stock into it's new configuration, it will leave raw wood showing, and I don't want that. I'd like it to look intentional and well done, and so when I'm done I'm going to restain it hopefully as close to original as possible. Obviously there's no need to worry about refinishing it as I'm taking the value of it's history away.

I want it to "look good"

"Seriously, if it pains you that much take a 180$ from your pocket and buy one"
-Most Finns aren't $180. Those that are either have a lot of wear on the outside (most seem to retain nice bores), or there are splits in the wood. See the lower concept pic of JC's Obrez, there is a split there on the left side near the wrist. It's not unusual to see splits in Finn stocks... but I would make sure it is stable at least before shooting it. The Finns had some neat ways of repairing the stocks though.

Correct, however, this was an auction like any other, with no reserve. I've seen others go for similar. There is a -hairline- beginning of a crack at one part of the buttstock, but nothing to worry about even if it were being kept as a marksman shooter.

Awesome condition ones... they can be had for $300 or less. Great shooting condition, -most- the bluing left, great bore... $225-275 depending on bluing and how interesting the stock is.

There's tons of them out there too, guys. They aren't as rare as y'all seem to think.

[shoggoth80]

Not as rare... true.... damn nice.... yes. Just not as many out there as 91/30s, and that is where most arguments are coming from (including mine). Like I said, love the idea, not your chosen platform

Now if I were going to do something like this (and the thought had crossed my mind before) I'd get a worn barreled action, and do the skeleton pistol grip. Make it MEAN. Though that metal skeleton grip frame would have to hurt like hell when the trigger was pulled... unless the incredibly short barrel allowed the pressure to dissipate really fast. Otherwise, you would need a way to brace that gun, as recoil is decently stout to start with on the rifle.

[JTNieman]

Just not as many out there as 91/30s,

Dude.

The only rifle in the world that is more numerous than the 91/30 is probably the AK. Seriously. There's got to be a very few handful of rifles that can claim to be as numerous as the 91/30.

By that logic, we should all never modify any gun ever made.

[shoggoth80]

Lol.

"There's got to be a very few handful of rifles that can claim to be as numerous as the 91/30."
I think there is something around 17,000,000 of them produced total. I personally would like to find both an early example M91, and a late, LATE example of the 91/30. I think there were some with dates in the 1960's or 1970's.

[NoMercy]

I don't get it - and by "it" I'm referring to the backlash over a weapon that was made/modified based on a 100+ year old design, is 2-3MOA at BEST and in many cases worse, is not the best design in regards to a bolt action, and obviously there's enough of them still around that it commands a going price of 180$.

180$, for an antique comblock surplus rifle that has apparently made a few of the masses squeal in pain at the thought that someone would do anything but rub it down with CLP and Pledge. There are how many of these things running around?

Finnish M39's usually run around $300+. They are the most accurate of the Mosins most of the time. The 91/30 Mosin that I use for hunting will easily get 1 MOA at 100 yards. Finnish Mosins aren't a dime a dozen like 91/30s are. It appears that you have 0 respect for such a rifle.

[JTNieman]

Lol.

"There's got to be a very few handful of rifles that can claim to be as numerous as the 91/30."
I think there is something around 17,000,000 of them produced total. I personally would like to find both an early example M91, and a late, LATE example of the 91/30. I think there were some with dates in the 1960's or 1970's.

Why a late 91/30? What about a 91/59 or whatever the latest revision was? I assume you say that just to point out the evolution?

If so, here's a neat chart:
http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinTree.htm

Finnish M39's usually run around $300+.

People keep saying that... but Gunbroker and multiple private collectors who are liquidating will show otherwise.

I seriously doubt that a 91/30 of any sort will get 1MOA at 100 yards, let alone "easily". That's just bullshit, unless it's been heavily modified, bedded, refit, etc.

An M39 I don't know. From internet-talk I wouldn't be surprised. Would have to see it. But 1MOA from a 91/30? Come on. No matter the obsessive infatuation you have with the rifle, no amount of exaggerating will make it something it is not.

[Cpt. MelonBuster]

As much as I love Mosins, when it comes right down to it, they are an inanimate object. Cut that bitch up like a back-alley surgeon, and post the results for all to see.

[NoMercy]

Finnish M39's usually run around $300+.

People keep saying that... but Gunbroker and multiple private collectors who are liquidating will show otherwise.

I seriously doubt that a 91/30 of any sort will get 1MOA at 100 yards, let alone "easily". That's just bullshit, unless it's been heavily modified, bedded, refit, etc.

An M39 I don't know. From internet-talk I wouldn't be surprised. Would have to see it. But 1MOA from a 91/30? Come on. No matter the obsessive infatuation you have with the rifle, no amount of exaggerating will make it something it is not.

I bought it at a gunshow in August I believe...the barrel was hacked down to 23". The bore is perfect. I put it in a ATI synthetic stock (all I had) then I bedded and free floated it. Put a Timney trigger in it. Took a 1 piece airgun scope mount and put that on the dovetail under the rear sight. Then put a Simmons ProHunter 4x32 pistol scope on her. From a bipod with my reloads it WILL shoot 1 MOA. I even took a doe and a nice buck with it this year. I basically finished what somebody else started, although its a common 1943 Izzy with a poorly machined receiver.

[JTNieman]

lol
yea, like I said, without bedding and all sorts of other fun stuff...

Anyways, yea, my 91/30 was a 43 Izzy, too! Funny. Sold it for a little profit, maybe broke even, considering gas costs to meet the guy. I probably got around 5-6MOA from it with bulk ammo.

You know what I found the most frustrating? The vast differences in ammo production of x54r. The bulk surplus I shot was pretty much right on the sights POA at 100 yards. The Brown Bear soft tips I bought in hopes of using it for a deer cartridge... at -least- 8" high of POA at 100 yards. Annoyingly different POI between ammo types. /shrug

I'm -hoping- I can get to the range tomorrow and see how this baby shoots.

[NoMercy]

lol
yea, like I said, without bedding and all sorts of other fun stuff...

I'm sure my M38 and my still original 91/30 are plenty capable of good accuracy...but I know I'm not with the somewhat crude iron sights and the piss poor trigger.

[shoggoth80]

"Why a late 91/30? What about a 91/59 or whatever the latest revision was? I assume you say that just to point out the evolution?"
-Precisely. My earliest Enfield is 1916, my latest Enfield is 1986. With dates falling in between.

For the record, I only ever saw one 91/59, and regret not purchasing it. Those things are neat, and obscure for a Mosin. However, with other countries having 91/30s dated so late, I wouldn't call the 91/59 the latest revision. Aside from the shortening of a long rifle, they are mechanically the same to the best of my knowledge.

[JTNieman]

That's a pretty cool idea for a collection.

[Mr. E. Monkey]

lol
Anyways, yea, my 91/30 was a 43 Izzy, too! Funny.

My 91/30 and M38 are both 43 Izzies. Crazy!

[northernxposure]

Finnish M39's usually run around $300+. They are the most accurate of the Mosins most of the time. The 91/30 Mosin that I use for hunting will easily get 1 MOA at 100 yards. Finnish Mosins aren't a dime a dozen like 91/30s are. It appears that you have 0 respect for such a rifle.

You are correct - I could easily spend $300 on a rifle that was more accurate, had a better trigger, and offered much more to the end user than a comblock special. Maybe a K31?

For what it was designed for, it works wonderfully - the fact that it can be more than what it was intended for is a bonus. However, a sow's ear does not make a Gucci handbag.

If you like it, more power to ya.

NXP

[crypto]

Well....I would like you to know that I have lost all respect for you and your project after your decision to chop up a beautiful M39....

JamesCannon: You should know that there are many applicable night-time aids on the market, such as Lunesta and Ambien, that are available via prescription for all the sleep you're going to lose over this.