Mosin Pistol Project - Stand by for Updates!

[shoggoth80]

Being that it was a civil war, would it not be possible to have seen scrubbed receivers as well? I know that other countries scrubbed receivers... Finland, the Balkan states... captured guns were often scrubbed.

[Milsurpfan]

Wow. I mean, I happen to agree with you, and as a matter of fact I say "fuck you" to JC at least once a week in either chat or irc, but calm the fuck down. The man bought the rifle, he can do whatever he want's with it.

Oh, and welcome to the forums...

Oh it's most certainly his right to cut up an m39, and it's my right to call him a twat for doing it. Maybe if I'm lucky he'll get his head out of his ass and realize that he's going to fuck up a fantastic rifle, go buy a random 91/30 and hack on it instead. Chances are he wont, so I'm just gonna keep calling a twat.


Whoops, forgot to work in an AUTHENTICITY. JamesCannon is an AUTHENTIC twat. There fixed it.





(soooo gettin' banned)

[shoggoth80]

Milsurpfan,
I understand the angry response. I do, because I collect surplus, and have rescued a rifle or two in my time so far.
But being that your first post was a post chewing out the OP, it seems as if you joined the forums solely for the purpose of riding this guy's ass. While I remain as neutral as possible to his project given my own heavy interest in the milsurp hobby, I would have to say that joining this forum *just* to flame the original poster as a bit on the childish side, and makes me think that you're just a troll, or one of the random internet asses that do things "for the lulz."
Prove me wrong, please.

[Milsurpfan]

Milsurpfan,
I understand the angry response. I do, because I collect surplus, and have rescued a rifle or two in my time so far.
But being that your first post was a post chewing out the OP, it seems as if you joined the forums solely for the purpose of riding this guy's ass. While I remain as neutral as possible to his project given my own heavy interest in the milsurp hobby, I would have to say that joining this forum *just* to flame the original poster as a bit on the childish side, and makes me think that you're just a troll, or one of the random internet asses that do things "for the lulz."
Prove me wrong, please.

Registered soley to piss and moan? Yes
Childish? Yes
Troll? No, well maybe a little, but I have my reasons.

I am 100% down with an obrez project, but the fact that JIMMAY AUTHENTICITY CANNON wants to do it to a fucking Finn M39 and ignored some of this very forum's own posters pleas for mercy just goes to show that JAMES AUTHENTIC CANNNNNNON is a twat who really doesn't give a fuck about authenticity, and just wants to HAVE THE COOLEST FUCKING GUN, MAN. ITS GOTTA BE AUTHENTIC, MAN. AUTHENTIC. Seriously. There thousands of hex receivered Mosins around, not that it really matters for historical accuracy , just walk into any sporting goods store, gun show, or firearms auction site and you're bound to find a rearsenaled m91 one for $125 otd. Best part is? Nobody gives a shit go through the trouble to pay the SOT on a fucking rearsenaled m91 so you can make an "SBR." out of it.

However, taking a good rifle, a mosin at the pinnical of mosin-ry and hacking it down is borderline criminal, and while there's nothing I can do to save this rifle, I can and will continue to call JIMMY JAMES CANNON an AUTHENTIC TWAT.

Any self respecting fan of military surplus firearm would do everything in their power to prevent an Finn M39 from getting hacked up for this project.

[Vicarious_Lee]

Milsurpfan, I don't know where you come from, and I don't appreciate your flaming, but at the same time I am in fact down with the sentiment that you've expressed here that has been expressed before, albeit in a less drunken-rage sort of way before you came along.

I still don't know why this has to be a Finn Mosin, but I'm ultimately not gonna hate on it (much).

[the_alias]

Registered soley to piss and moan? Yes
Childish? Yes
Troll? No, well maybe a little, but I have my reasons.

I am 100% down with an obrez project, but the fact that JIMMAY AUTHENTICITY CANNON wants to do it to a fucking Finn M39 and ignored some of this very forum's own posters pleas for mercy just goes to show that JAMES AUTHENTIC CANNNNNNON is a twat who really doesn't give a fuck about authenticity, and just wants to HAVE THE COOLEST FUCKING GUN, MAN. ITS GOTTA BE AUTHENTIC, MAN. AUTHENTIC. Seriously. There thousands of hex receivered Mosins around, not that it really matters for historical accuracy , just walk into any sporting goods store, gun show, or firearms auction site and you're bound to find a rearsenaled m91 one for $125 otd. Best part is? Nobody gives a shit go through the trouble to pay the SOT on a fucking rearsenaled m91 so you can make an "SBR." out of it.

However, taking a good rifle, a mosin at the pinnical of mosin-ry and hacking it down is borderline criminal, and while there's nothing I can do to save this rifle, I can and will continue to call JIMMY JAMES CANNON an AUTHENTIC TWAT.

Any self respecting fan of military surplus firearm would do everything in their power to prevent an Finn M39 from getting hacked up for this project.

Don't ya just hate freedom!

[MadMonkey]

Ignore him, he's trolling. 4 posts, named milsurpfan, complaining about the *desecration* of a milsurp rifle. Pretty obviously just someone who made a new screenname to hide his actual ZS identity since he doesn't want anyone to see his true colors under the real name. Pretty sad actually... you'd think someone with such a strong opinion wouldn't feel the need to speak it anonymously.

[Milsurpfan]

Not gonna lie, I'm pretty amused at how quick you guys are to think that I'm one of you. You guys sure are a paranoid lot.

Don't ya just hate freedom!

Only a little more than I hate James AUTHENTICLY JIMMY Cannon's lack of taste.

[Dave_M]

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Milsurpfan-

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What about #6?

[ei8htx]

It's me! I'm the hidden troll!

Seriously though, I don't collect historical rifles but this seems like a crime against history. How is hacking up something authentic to be something that it wasn't originally, make this some sort of authentic project? It seems to me that once you alter something it's lost it's authenticity. It's either a genuine piece of history or an imitation; It can't be both. This will never be a historical piece again. This will never be authentic.

Why not put a strobe light on top of the Great Pyramid? Or install an elevator in St. Paul's Cathedral?

ETA

What about #6

He isn't hating on him b/c of race/religion/gender/culture. Just hating on him b/c he's hacking up an historical rifle. His other beliefs don't play into it. But definately violating #3.

[cowboyfromhel86]

Just because Ill chime in...


Milsurpfan go some where else if you want to bash but if your really into guns and the like stay be nice this is the interwebs not a bar.

on that note.. Fucking A i wanna see this project finished then I wanna see you fire the gun I cant immagin a bolt acction pistol seems like some one has a thing for pain.. lol

[Dave_M]

Just because of this thread I'm going to acquire a Whitworth rifle used in the Civil War, duracoat it in multicam, and drill and tap it for a rail (on which I will mount a RDS).

on that note.. Fucking A i wanna see this project finished then I wanna see you fire the gun I cant immagin a bolt acction pistol seems like some one has a thing for pain.. lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNFsUvh078I

Doesn't look too bad if you hold it right. The guy who made that video and owns the SBR is on this forum IIRC.

[huntingohio]

Just because of this thread I'm going to acquire a Whitworth rifle used in the Civil War, duracoat it in multicam, and drill and tap it for a rail (on which I will mount a RDS).

on that note.. Fucking A i wanna see this project finished then I wanna see you fire the gun I cant immagin a bolt acction pistol seems like some one has a thing for pain.. lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNFsUvh078I

Doesn't look too bad if you hold it right. The guy who made that video and owns the SBR is on this forum IIRC.

The guy who owned that used to be on the surplus rifle forums.

People are bitching because a fin mosin is a collectors piece, there arent that many of them left because they are relatively cheap and people use them for projects like this.

In all reality there is no such thing as "authentic" when making an oberez clone. they were basically whatever mosin they got ahold of cut down, atleast according to the guys on surplus rifle.

It is your rifle so do what you want, but first go out and shoot it, when you shoot an moa group with surplus ammo if you still wanna cut it down then so be it.

It is a bit of history that your cutting down, when there are less rare alternatives it seems blashphemous

MILSURPFAN- you make collectors look bad, put down the busch light and back away from the keyboard. A drunken stammering rant is not an effective tool

[JTNieman]

Seriously dude, this is the stupidest fucking project. For the sake of 'historical accuracy' you're going to butcher a god damnend Finn capture mosin for the sake of a shitty obrez clone? It's jackasses like you that make me hate the gun community. You're no better than a fucking bubba who shoves his grandfather's bringback k98k in an ATI montecarlo stock and hacks it down or an heirloom Parker and Hale for the sake of THE FUCKING TACTICAL.


Seriously dude, fuck you and the gimmick you rode in on.

Y U MAD THO?

[JTNieman]

FWIW, Y'all are right. There is no "authenticity" to be had, and if milsurpfan would have read the whole thread, I'm pretty sure he would have seen the post where I concluded this. I am -pretty sure- I posted here about it, but it might've been a discussion on IRC. Not positive, and though it'd likely be hilarious again, I don't have the time to go through the thread again right now.

So, after mulling over which to get, I decided instead to delineate certain properties and characteristics desired. M39 was the best fit.

[northernxposure]

James -



Do it.

NXP

[Bearcat]

ETA

What about #6

He isn't hating on him b/c of race/religion/gender/culture. Just hating on him b/c he's hacking up an historical rifle. His other beliefs don't play into it. But definately violating #3.

I think he mean't the first part; xenophobic philosophy. I already stated that I don't like seeing a gun cut up like this, but really, it's not a big deal. It's not like this is the last fin in existence. BTW, Milsurpfan, how did you find this thread? Do you actively search the web for shit like this?

[Mr. E. Monkey]

Wow. I actually kinda like the way they set up the pistol grip on that second one. I don't like having the mechanism exposed like that, but otherwise, I like it.

[PistolPete]

Milsurpfan, stop trolling this thread.

[BigBossMan]

Seriously dude, this is the stupidest fucking project. For the sake of 'historical accuracy' you're going to butcher a god damnend Finn capture mosin for the sake of a shitty obrez clone? It's jackasses like you that make me hate the gun community. You're no better than a fucking bubba who shoves his grandfather's bringback k98k in an ATI montecarlo stock and hacks it down or an heirloom Parker and Hale for the sake of THE FUCKING TACTICAL.


Seriously dude, fuck you and the gimmick you rode in on.

You really shouldn't keep things bottled up inside. Its not healthy.

[CaptainRW]

Don't ya just hate freedom!

The hardest part of Freedom, is allowing someone to make (what you feel is a) a bad choice...

Just because you CAN... Don't mean you should...

[JTNieman]

Don't ya just hate freedom!

The hardest part of Freedom, is allowing someone to make (what you feel is a) a bad choice...

Just because you CAN... Don't mean you should...

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[shoggoth80]

That middle Obrez is gnarly for sure. Like the look of the handle on that one the most. However, the bottom one I find intriguing, as it seems the barrel was bobbed at the shank. In this respects, would there be no rifling to engage? This reinforcing the notion that these were for up close, personal, and really nasty endeavors?

I told a friend about this project, and he thinks it's cool...except for the Finn M39 part. He knows where a sewer pipe bore M91 updated to a Dragoon is sitting, which would be perfect for this project. It's no good as a rifle shooter, and would otherwise just be a wall hanger. With an Obrez, you aren't going to be shooting far at all, and accuracy will be relative to those short distances.