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[Kelvar]

darkaxel, I've looked into this before. I'm pretty sure it goes like this:
If it is just a bar, not a restaurant, then you may not legally CCW even with a license.
If it is some other type of business, they can post a sign saying weapons are prohibited. My best recollection is that disregarding such a sign is not illegal, per se, but that private landowners may have you ejected as a trespasser if they learn that you are breaking their rules.

My advice would be to respect the wishes of the private landowner and vote with your feet if it offends you by taking your business elsewhere. I would not recommend disregarding such a sign, legal or not.

Lexington Green may have signs posted, I don't recall and I don't recall if I have ever CCW'd there.

Most restaurants do not have any signs addressing this, so it has never been a problem for me.

To be honest, I think it would be sort of silly if we allowed this to pose a problem for us. Worst case scenario, I can leave mine in my car. *shrug*

None of the above is legal advice, nor should it be construed as such.

[Tribunal Power]

darkaxel, I've looked into this before. I'm pretty sure it goes like this:
If it is just a bar, not a restaurant, then you may not legally CCW even with a license.
If it is some other type of business, they can post a sign saying weapons are prohibited. My best recollection is that disregarding such a sign is not illegal, per se, but that private landowners may have you ejected as a trespasser if they learn that you are breaking their rules.

My advice would be to respect the wishes of the private landowner and vote with your feet if it offends you by taking your business elsewhere. I would not recommend disregarding such a sign, legal or not.

Lexington Green may have signs posted, I don't recall and I don't recall if I have ever CCW'd there.

Most restaurants do not have any signs addressing this, so it has never been a problem for me.

To be honest, I think it would be sort of silly if we allowed this to pose a problem for us. Worst case scenario, I can leave mine in my car. *shrug*

None of the above is legal advice, nor should it be construed as such.

You're correct in your mention of the law. If a place makes more than 50% of its total revenue from alcoholic beveragres, you may not carry there. So unless it's a bar (or a gov't building) you may carry.

I typically do vote with my feet-- I rarely if ever give my money to an anti-protection business. And I tend to give more to places that support it.

It's no issue for me, as I can leave it in the car as well if I must.

Not to play devil's advocate, Kelvar, but worst case scenario would be needing your gun AFTER you had to leave it in the car. That's why I don't make a habit of supporting such places; Murphy's Law is too prevelant.

I'll give them a call before work tomorrow. Thanks for the number. :3

[Kelvar]

Not to play devil's advocate, Kelvar, but worst case scenario would be needing your gun AFTER you had to leave it in the car. That's why I don't make a habit of supporting such places; Murphy's Law is too prevelant.

I get where you're coming from, but I guess I'm willing to "risk" it. Lexington isn't exactly Fallujah, after all. At the risk of sounding like a bad prepper, I've been known to leave the house without a gun on occasion. I guess we all have different levels of risk we're willing to tolerate. *Shrug* I guess we can agree to disagree.

[whisk.e.rebellion]

darkaxel, I've looked into this before. I'm pretty sure it goes like this:
If it is just a bar, not a restaurant, then you may not legally CCW even with a license.

I dunno about KY law, but in FL (as of 2004) and CA if more than 50% of a business' profits come from alcohol it's considered a "bar." So if your favorite restaurant is famous for its drinks that cost as much as an entree, it might not be legal to carry there.

[Tribunal Power]

darkaxel, I've looked into this before. I'm pretty sure it goes like this:
If it is just a bar, not a restaurant, then you may not legally CCW even with a license.

I dunno about KY law, but in FL (as of 2004) and CA if more than 50% of a business' profits come from alcohol it's considered a "bar." So if your favorite restaurant is famous for its drinks that cost as much as an entree, it might not be legal to carry there.

Yep, that's the way it is here in the Commonwealth, too. For example, I opted not to carry to the Hard Rock Cafe just to make sure I stayed legal, because I know they have a pretty happening bar. Also, if I had been carrying, I wouldn't have been able to enjoy an incredibly expensive beverage. Most restaurants are fine, though.

I will be calling them in the morning, by the way. Just curious as to whether or not this matters to anyone else? Or am I alone here (excluding Takaaco)? Just curious. In case I haven't made it clear, I'm fine with meeting there even if no guns are allowed. I won't like it, but I'll leave it in the car if necessary. No reason to get hung up on this if I'm the only one who really cares.

[Dialtone]

Hey guys,

You can put be down as a member. I'll make it official in the next couple of days. I'm in Lexington btw.

For a concert, I know a member of 11 Years at Harvard, a Weezer tribute band. I can ask him if they would be interested in helping.

[Tribunal Power]

Well, I just got off the phone with the book store, and they say that they have a no-firearms sign posted. Probably looks something like this:



Dialtone, welcome aboard. I believe Darkaxel is pursuing a band as well, so you may want to coordinate efforts with him.

[Takaaco78]

I will be calling them in the morning, by the way. Just curious as to whether or not this matters to anyone else? Or am I alone here (excluding Takaaco)? Just curious. In case I haven't made it clear, I'm fine with meeting there even if no guns are allowed. I won't like it, but I'll leave it in the car if necessary. No reason to get hung up on this if I'm the only one who really cares.

I dont care one way or the other. I will carry if i can ,and if i cant it will stay in the truck. If somebody tries to assult me or rob the store i will just use my Jedi mind control...

[DarkAxel]

Hey guys,

You can put be down as a member. I'll make it official in the next couple of days. I'm in Lexington btw.

For a concert, I know a member of 7 Years at Harvard, a Weezer tribute band. I can ask him if they would be interested in helping.

Great! Go ahead!

[DarkAxel]

I've had another "oh shit" moment.

How many of you guys recycle? Do you get paid for it? In my AO, you do. Right now, a local recycling center is paying 65 cents a pound for aluminum cans. 50 cents a pound for sheet aluminum. 3 bucks a pound for #2 copper.

How many soda or beer cans do you guys throw away every day? Do you have sources of copper laying around unused (water pipes, power cords, house wire, air conditioners, etc)? This place even buys junk cars based on weight. My boss recycled an old 63 dodge dump truck and got 618 dollars for it!

Would a scrap/recycling drive work as a fundraiser? We've got our charity, and if plan A fails, this could be plan B.

[glocktech]

This is Mitch here in South Central KY (Burkesville, Ky). I work for myself and deal with many here in the local firearms communty and across the state. I'm in for the full deal here. Add me to the list please. I will attend meetings, assist in fund raising, host getherings in my town (plenty of connections here for food and rooms), and this is a gun carry community. If there are meetings elsewhere in the state I'm there as long as planned ahead.

Any assistance I can offer, please ask.

Thanks, Mitch
http://www.glocktech.com

[Takaaco78]

hope to see you there Mitch. If i am able to make it there i might have you bring one of those stingers to sell me.

[glocktech]

Hey Tak:

Sure can, we'll do nice discounts for ZS members too. If there's any other stuff GT you want we'll do nice package deals for members.

[DarkAxel]

Got a response from the BDVP!

My original message:

Ms. Thomas,

I'm a member of a charitable organization called Zombie Squad (http://www.zombiehunters.org). ZS is dedicated to helping communities deal with disasters, spread the word about disaster preparation and preparedness, and likes to work with local charities and organizations to help people who are disadvantaged in some way. Zombies are a metaphor for disaster (Floods, fires, hurricanes, etc.), and having to leave home because of abusive partner definately qualifies.

Zombie Squad has chapters all over the United States, and a few of us here in Kentucky are trying to start a Kentucky Chapter. To do so we need to host a benefit for a local charitiy. In short, we've agreed that the Bluegrass Domestic Violence Program is the best candidate. One of our members recommended your organization because he already has a relationship with you.

I personally understand the need for programs like yours. When I was a child, domestic violence touched my life profoundly, and my family had to use the services of a shelter. I would like to help. The ZS guys here in Kentucky would like to help. How can we help?

Matthew Bailey

Her response:

Hello Matthew,
I am delighted that you and your organization had reached out to BDVP. I must admit I am intrigued by the Zombie Squad, how very important and interesting work. Do you all have meetings that I could attend and discuss your interest and ways to help BDVP? Or would you all be willing to come and visit us and find out what we are about and all we are doing. We are very open to support from our community partners who strive to keep families safe.
Let me know how we may begin, I need a little guidance because I am not familiar with what you have to achieve exactly.

Look forward to hearing back and creating a vision

Sincerely,

Darlene Thomas
Bluegrass Domestic Violence Program, Inc
PO Box 55190
Lexington Ky 40555
800.544.2022
beyondtheviolence.org

And my response to that:

Darlene,

We are planning a meeting at Joseph Beth Booksellers on December 12.

Right now we are trying to get together a benefit concert at a Lexington club, and spend the money on toys and things for your guests. If we can pull this off before Christmas, then things would be totally good, but if not, we could let your guests know that we are thinking of them beyond the holidays. That's really what I'd like guidance on. If we can't make it before Christmas, what could we do that would help your guests the most? I'll get back with you on an exact meeting date as soon as we get it nailed down,

Matthew Bailey

So, can we nail down the 12th as a meeting date? CCW issues aside, can we get together at Jo-Beth that day?

ETA: I'm looking at Dec 12 at around 3PM.

[Tribunal Power]

Got a response from the BDVP!

My original message:

Ms. Thomas,

I'm a member of a charitable organization called Zombie Squad (http://www.zombiehunters.org). ZS is dedicated to helping communities deal with disasters, spread the word about disaster preparation and preparedness, and likes to work with local charities and organizations to help people who are disadvantaged in some way. Zombies are a metaphor for disaster (Floods, fires, hurricanes, etc.), and having to leave home because of abusive partner definately qualifies.

Zombie Squad has chapters all over the United States, and a few of us here in Kentucky are trying to start a Kentucky Chapter. To do so we need to host a benefit for a local charitiy. In short, we've agreed that the Bluegrass Domestic Violence Program is the best candidate. One of our members recommended your organization because he already has a relationship with you.

I personally understand the need for programs like yours. When I was a child, domestic violence touched my life profoundly, and my family had to use the services of a shelter. I would like to help. The ZS guys here in Kentucky would like to help. How can we help?

Matthew Bailey

Her response:

Hello Matthew,
I am delighted that you and your organization had reached out to BDVP. I must admit I am intrigued by the Zombie Squad, how very important and interesting work. Do you all have meetings that I could attend and discuss your interest and ways to help BDVP? Or would you all be willing to come and visit us and find out what we are about and all we are doing. We are very open to support from our community partners who strive to keep families safe.
Let me know how we may begin, I need a little guidance because I am not familiar with what you have to achieve exactly.

Look forward to hearing back and creating a vision

Sincerely,

Darlene Thomas
Bluegrass Domestic Violence Program, Inc
PO Box 55190
Lexington Ky 40555
800.544.2022
beyondtheviolence.org

And my response to that:

Darlene,

We are planning a meeting at Joseph Beth Booksellers on December 12.

Right now we are trying to get together a benefit concert at a Lexington club, and spend the money on toys and things for your guests. If we can pull this off before Christmas, then things would be totally good, but if not, we could let your guests know that we are thinking of them beyond the holidays. That's really what I'd like guidance on. If we can't make it before Christmas, what could we do that would help your guests the most? I'll get back with you on an exact meeting date as soon as we get it nailed down,

Matthew Bailey

So, can we nail down the 12th as a meeting date? CCW issues aside, can we get together at Jo-Beth that day?

ETA: I'm looking at Dec 12 at around 3PM.

Very professional approach! Good show!

That date/location works for me. I'll be there. No one seems to have objected so far, so I think we're pretty well set.

[DarkAxel]

Thanks!

who else can make it? Sound off and be counted!

BTW, Tribunal Power and Kelvar, I've noticed You have green on you! Congratulations!

We CAN do this.

[Takaaco78]

i have to work Sundays , but i will try to swap days with somebody...

[Kelvar]

Thanks!

who else can make it? Sound off and be counted!

BTW, Tribunal Power and Kelvar, I've noticed You have green on you! Congratulations!

We CAN do this.

Barring any unforeseen problems, I will be there.

And thanks! (I can't believe it took me so long to actually join this awesome community for real).

[Dialtone]

I've exchanged emails with the band guy I know. He said 11 Years at Harvard is willing depending on the date or or his originals band, "Welcome, Strangers" http://www.welcomestrangersband.com is available anytime and is use to paying for free.

He also said he's the sound guy for Buster's http://www.bustersbb.com and they may available for a venue. They have done other charity events and he could probably get us in there. He may also be able to get us some other bands to play for cheap/free.

If we can nail down I date I can find out what's available for band(s) and venue.

[Tribunal Power]

Thanks!
BTW, Tribunal Power and Kelvar, I've noticed You have green on you! Congratulations!

Thanks. Glad to finally be an official part of the team. Can't wait to get my ID (or the ZS shirt I'll be wearing to the meeting, hopefully)!

I've exchanged emails with the band guy I know. He said 11 Years at Harvard is willing depending on the date or or his originals band, "Welcome, Strangers" http://www.welcomestrangersband.com is available anytime and is use to paying for free.

He also said he's the sound guy for Buster's http://www.bustersbb.com and they may available for a venue. They have done other charity events and he could probably get us in there. He may also be able to get us some other bands to play for cheap/free.

If we can nail down I date I can find out what's available for band(s) and venue.

Great work! As far as the date is concerned, Dec. 19th would be great if we could make it happen so soon. It's the last Sunday before Christmas. That would give us one week from the date of our meet-up to put everything in motion.

If we can't make that happen, I would probably say it's best to wait until after New Years. I would say we should do it ON New Years, but the problem then becomes getting people to attend our event rather than some bitchin' party somewhere.

[Dialtone]

Great work! As far as the date is concerned, Dec. 19th would be great if we could make it happen so soon. It's the last Sunday before Christmas. That would give us one week from the date of our meet-up to put everything in motion.

If we can't make that happen, I would probably say it's best to wait until after New Years. I would say we should do it ON New Years, but the problem then becomes getting people to attend our event rather than some bitchin' party somewhere.

Here's Ben's (the band guy suggestion).

If I were you, I'd wait until mid January if you're planning on having it a bar. December around xmas is such a dead spot, it's much better when the kids get back in school. Plus, that gives you a lot more time to promote and get everything together.

11yah couldn't play before Dec, we haven't played since halloween and aren't planning to play until the new year. Welcome, Strangers should be good to go, though.

[Takaaco78]

i have to work Sundays , but i will try to swap days with somebody...

once again the schedualing gods have thrown me a curveball and have givven me a Sunday off. i shall be there , the only bummer is the container company will be closed and i need two more barrels...

[DarkAxel]

I've exchanged emails with the band guy I know. He said 11 Years at Harvard is willing depending on the date or or his originals band, "Welcome, Strangers" http://www.welcomestrangersband.com is available anytime and is use to paying for free.

He also said he's the sound guy for Buster's http://www.bustersbb.com and they may available for a venue. They have done other charity events and he could probably get us in there. He may also be able to get us some other bands to play for cheap/free.

If we can nail down I date I can find out what's available for band(s) and venue.

Great! My guy on the scene is down in Florida touring with a band. Your buddy's advice is sound, though. After the students get back the bars start filling up. Send him an invite and point him to this thread. We can use his input!

[Takaaco78]

Are we set on the 3pm time?