.410 or a stout stick?

by **Jeriah** » Sat Oct 16, 2010 5:02 am

Dooms wrote:Anything that is going to have the penetration necessary to stop a threat, is going to be able to penetrate interior walls. Be it .410 buckshot or a .44 magnum. I've personally shot a .22 CB short round at an interior wall and it sailed right through the sheet rock and still had plenty of force on the other side to penetrate into a pine board....and .22 short is about as weak as gets, other than a BB gun.

Very simply, if you plan on relying on a firearm to stop a threat, there will be the potential for over-penetration. Otherwise, you'll be stuck with a BB gun that you may not be able to rely upon when your life, or the life of your family, depends on it.

This is correct, and for some reason, it seems like only about 10% of people on forums understand this. The box of truth guys showed it, and it makes common fucking sense (people are tougher than drywall) but for some reason, it keeps popping up. You get folk advocating 9mm over 5.56mm, or birdshot over buckshot, for this reason. It's nonsense. Unless you're packing a .50BMG bedside pistol, "over penetration" is merely "adequate penetration."

Let me put it this way, maybe it'll make it more memorable:

Choosing a weaker caliber over a stronger one for home defense, on the grounds that it will reduce the risk of penetrating interior walls, is like wishing for a smaller penis so that you can pleasure hedgehogs as well as humans: if it's big enough to work for the one, it'll tear the living shit out of the other. So enjoy your full-sized penis, don't bother trying to fuck hedgehogs, use whatever defensive caliber you feel will be most effective, know what's behind your target, and try not to miss.

by **Mr. E. Monkey** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 2:30 pm

As always, Jeriah FTW with a perfect(ly bizarre) conclusion.

by **Dogan** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 2:45 pm

Jeriah wrote:Choosing a weaker caliber over a stronger one for home defense, on the grounds that it will reduce the risk of penetrating interior walls, is like wishing for a smaller penis so that you can pleasure hedgehogs as well as humans: if it's big enough to work for the one, it'll tear the living shit out of the other. So enjoy your full-sized penis, don't bother trying to fuck hedgehogs, use whatever defensive caliber you feel will be most effective, know what's behind your target, and try not to miss.

Oh god... must get new keyboard. Thank you Jeriah.

by **Tater Raider** » Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:58 pm

A slingshot with angry, rabid hedgehogs FTMFW.

by **Dogan** » Fri Oct 22, 2010 8:43 am

Tater Raider wrote:A slingshot with Jeriah's rabid very frustrated ex-hedgehogs FTMFW.

Now that would be an intimidating weapons system.

Cmon man. Must show the hedgehog lover some attention.

All in fun, Jer.

Tho I am still creeped out that you'd even think about boffing a ball of spines.

by **velojym** » Fri Oct 22, 2010 8:59 am

UrbanConquest wrote:Marlin 336 better than a stick !

...and when it's empty, it's STILL a stick!

by **Jeriah** » Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:39 am

velojym wrote:
UrbanConquest wrote:Marlin 336 better than a stick !

...and when it's empty, it's STILL a stick!

I don't think rifles were one of the options given. If they were, I'd take my AR.

by **Dooms** » Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:09 pm

Marlin actually made a .410 version of the Model 336. If I'm not mistaken, it was called the model 410.

by **Jeriah** » Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:11 pm

Dooms wrote:Marlin actually made a .410 version of the Model 336. If I'm not mistaken, it was called the model 410.

It would appear that you are correct:

http://www.gunshopfinder.com/marlin/marlin410.asp

That's interesting. A good companion for the Judge if you don't like the Circuit Court.

by **BLU88** » Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:18 am

http://safirarms.com/eng.html

I say .410

by **Dogan** » Wed Nov 03, 2010 9:07 am

Whatever 410 these guys are shooting

by **Roger Brough** » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:32 pm

Definitely the .410

by **BigDaddyTX** » Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:02 pm

by **foxx** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:57 pm

How big is the stick?

This one is 42" and 42oz of hickory...I can swing this at Zombie heads all day!

This may be a magnum caliber....too much?

Who's got the biggest stick!

by **rednekrampager** » Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:59 am

.410 for me, I'll take the "boom stick" over the wood stick any time.

by **DarkAxel** » Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:44 am

How about a .410 that shoots stout sticks?

by **KJ4VOV** » Wed May 23, 2012 9:14 pm

If by "stout stick" you mean "Main Battle Tank" I'll take the stout stick, otherwise I'll go with the .410

by **velojym** » Wed May 23, 2012 11:00 pm

Hmm... how about loading some .410 blanks and launching arrows with it? :mrgreen:

by **ntempleton** » Wed May 23, 2012 11:42 pm

So everyone voting for the stick is willing to get shot with a .410, right?

by **foxx** » Thu May 24, 2012 2:30 pm

ntempleton wrote:So everyone voting for the stick is willing to get shot with a .410, right?

It's not that the .410 lacks in damage, I just don't discount a well made stick. I am sure that a hickory pick axe handle will crush skulls and break bones, and I don't have to reload it. This is of course when taking on Zombies, not armed humans.

by **velojym** » Thu May 24, 2012 2:34 pm

ntempleton wrote:So everyone voting for the stick is willing to get shot with a .410, right?

Kinda stretching a point out to the edge of logic and then attacking it. Doesn't really make a point at all.
I'd rather not be hit by either, thankyouverymuch.

by **squinty** » Thu May 24, 2012 2:52 pm

wtr100 wrote:So in your infinite wisdom whadda choose?

My .410 has a nice hard walnut stock which - as other posters have mentioned - ought to count as a stout enough stick by any reasonable assessment. So with my .410, I gots both bases covered. :mrgreen:

Klingon battle axes are for pansy mincey sissy nancy milquetoasts, and I'll get on stage and say so at a Star Trek convention.

by **Polie** » Thu May 24, 2012 3:02 pm

The muzzle velocity is the same for the .410 vs 12ga. The only difference is the amount of shot and size of slugs. The .410 can/is a devastating weapon.