DONT USE A POLICE BATON

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DONT USE A POLICE BATON

Postby Jellis359 » Fri Sep 11, 2009 7:49 pm

for one their great at making you hurt, but that's it. there not designed to be deadly, and it would be pretty hard to kill a zombie with, seeing as you'd need to hit it in the head dozens of times and you don't get a break because it won't be stopped by pain.

No POLICE BATONS

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Re: DONT USE A POLICE BATON

Postby Abacus » Fri Sep 11, 2009 7:59 pm

No, not at all. But thanks for sharing.
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Re: DONT USE A POLICE BATON

Postby AZMedic » Fri Sep 11, 2009 8:07 pm

I think someone has done a review on batons and came down to they suck...
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Re: DONT USE A POLICE BATON

Postby dukman » Fri Sep 11, 2009 9:28 pm

I have no plans to use one anyways... but if that is all that is around, I AM GOING TO USE IT! 8)
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Re: DONT USE A POLICE BATON

Postby mtnfolk mike » Fri Sep 11, 2009 9:54 pm

i would use whatever i had to, including a police baton, in times of need... would it be my first choice NO...
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Re: DONT USE A POLICE BATON

Postby Rednex » Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:03 pm

I would use a police baton if thats the best i had. I would even use a phone book if thats all i had. Prep the stuff you like and know how to use. Be able to imporvise when needed.
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Re: DONT USE A POLICE BATON

Postby Raven927 » Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:31 pm

I used of cheap Chinese ASP baton and cracked a coconut wide open in one good swing. I never used a standard wooden one tho. Do you mean the wooden ones or a metal asp one?
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Re: DONT USE A POLICE BATON

Postby Gatorfarmer » Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:37 pm

PR24? Those will kill someone right quick if you don't know what you're doing with one. ASP? Not so much, but can still kill someone. Best used for actual self defense only with proper training and documentation since otherwise they'll likely be considered lethal force.
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Re: DONT USE A POLICE BATON

Postby crypto » Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:50 pm

Jellis359 wrote:for one their great at making you hurt, but that's it. there not designed to be deadly


Er.

Its a club. Made out of hardwood. Hitting things in the head with a club is a time-honored way of causing death since monkeys learned to do it millions of years ago.

Not sure what you're on about, but plenty of people have been killed with PR24s over the years.
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Re: DONT USE A POLICE BATON

Postby Seanwins » Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:54 pm

DONT USE A POLICE BATON FOR FIGHTING THE SITH EITHER! For one their great at making you hurt, but that's it. there not designed to stand up to light sabres, and it would be pretty hard to kill a sith lord with, seeing as you'd need to hit him in the head dozens of times and you don't get a break because he wears that totally sweet helmet.

No POLICE BATONS vs SITH

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Re: DONT USE A POLICE BATON

Postby yossarian » Sat Sep 12, 2009 12:32 am

Mmmkay, I'm gonna let you in on a little secret. Zombies are not real. (It's shocking I know, thank God we still have the tooth fairy) They're kind of like a metaphor for all of the bad stuff out there that you might need to be prepared for. Guys with knives, broken bottles, bad breath etc. are real and police batons can be very effective against them. Thats why police use them.
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Re: DONT USE A POLICE BATON

Postby 1984CJ » Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:24 am

yossarian wrote:Mmmkay, I'm gonna let you in on a little secret. Zombies are not real. (It's shocking I know, thank God we still have the tooth fairy) They're kind of like a metaphor for all of the bad stuff out there that you might need to be prepared for. Guys with knives, broken bottles, bad breath etc. are real and police batons can be very effective against them. Thats why police use them.

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Good news- Police batons are not effective against the Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny or Santa Claus.
Bad news- The Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny and Santa Claus do not exist. Your parents lied to you and you were adopted(Said in my best gloating big brother- torturing the younger- voice and expression.)
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Re: DONT USE A POLICE BATON

Postby xombiechow » Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:32 am

yossarian wrote:Mmmkay, I'm gonna let you in on a little secret. Zombies are not real. (It's shocking I know, thank God we still have the tooth fairy) They're kind of like a metaphor for all of the bad stuff out there that you might need to be prepared for. Guys with knives, broken bottles, bad breath etc. are real and police batons can be very effective against them. Thats why police use them.



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Re: DONT USE A POLICE BATON

Postby Gun_Nut_2k1 » Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:16 am

He's got 10 posts guys. He posted in an honest fashion, even if naive, so lets give him a break maybe? I got my cert in Baton training and I feel it is a viable non lethal weapon that I will use if my Taser fails to incapacitate the bad guy. :wink:
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Re: DONT USE A POLICE BATON

Postby Jeriah » Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:18 am

Jellis359 wrote:for one their great at making you hurt, but that's it. there not designed to be deadly, and it would be pretty hard to kill a zombie with, seeing as you'd need to hit it in the head dozens of times and you don't get a break because it won't be stopped by pain.

No POLICE BATONS

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Is this an argument that blunt force trauma to the head isn't an effective way of killing (hypothetical) zombies, or an argument that police batons aren't an idea means of delivering blunt force trauma?

I'm the first to admit, blunt force trauma isn't the best way to kill a (hypothetical) zombie. That would be a gunshot to the head. Second-best would be decapitation, although that my leave you with a bitey head to deal with. Blunt force trauma CAN be effective, if gunshot or decapitation aren't an option. I agree, though, that a baseball bat would be a better system to deliver said trauma.

A police baton, however, CAN be used to kill a zombie, as long as it is used properly. "Properly" in this case means having four guys getting a zombie down on the ground and then repeatedly beating its skull in, while a fifth guy keeps on the lookout for zombies with video cameras.

In all seriousness, the real, best application of the police baton (for people not in law enforcement) is as a less-lethal option for self-defense against human attackers, feral dogs, etc.
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Re: DONT USE A POLICE BATON

Postby TDW586 » Sat Sep 12, 2009 12:58 pm

Define "Police Baton". That could mean anything from an old-school hickory billy "tire-thumper" style club (which is...exactly as deadly as one would expect a stout hickory club to be, I guess) to a PR-24 (which is also exactly as deadly as a stout polycarbonate baton should be) to an ASP on Monandack expandable. Expandable batons do indeed lack sufficient weight to be ideal as a deadly weapon, but if you crack someone in the skull with one, you had better freakin' bet it's lethal.
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Re: DONT USE A POLICE BATON

Postby pyratemime » Sat Sep 12, 2009 5:54 pm

Can I use it for defending myself against dogs when I go running? Is that ok?
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Re: DONT USE A POLICE BATON

Postby Jellis359 » Sat Sep 12, 2009 6:45 pm

i'd use a crowbar with a 3 inch blunt spike Mig welded near the one end
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Re: DONT USE A POLICE BATON

Postby Ufdyixcaff » Sat Sep 12, 2009 7:51 pm

I wonder if any sort of brain trauma would ACTUALLY kill a zombie.

Maybe no amount of brain trauma is truly effective and the only way to stop a zombie is to dismember it and encase the parts in concrete or similar medium?

Remember in NOTLD? The dog that was cut in half? Pretty demolished brain - in fact, the brain half that would operate the half of the body that was reanimated no longer existed, yet the dog WAS reanimated.

Hmmmmmmm.....

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Re: DONT USE A POLICE BATON

Postby Sanders » Sat Sep 12, 2009 8:08 pm

Raven927 wrote:I used of cheap Chinese ASP baton and cracked a coconut wide open in one good swing.


Ok now thats cool.
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Hands-free LED headlamp for the win! :wink:


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Re: DONT USE A POLICE BATON

Postby Gun_Nut_2k1 » Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:52 pm

KeepItSimpleStupid wrote:Remember in NOTLD? The dog that was cut in half? Pretty demolished brain - in fact, the brain half that would operate the half of the body that was reanimated no longer existed, yet the dog WAS reanimated.

Hmmmmmmm.....

ROTLD not NOTLD. Was not a Romero movie and had different mythos.
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Re: DONT USE A POLICE BATON

Postby Ufdyixcaff » Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:55 pm

A) meh... you get the point.

B) Zombies, as a work of fiction, are not owned by anyone so the Romero universe is hardly authoritarian (really!)

C) Thanks for ruining it. :(
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Re: DONT USE A POLICE BATON

Postby iMack » Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:04 pm

Yeah, that was return, but eh, that was a pretty god awful zombie movie. It's hard to watch it without a cringe or two lol. I even liked Flight of The Living Dead better. :lol:
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Re: DONT USE A POLICE BATON

Postby Sanders » Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:18 pm

iMack wrote:Yeah, that was return, but eh, that was a pretty god awful zombie movie. It's hard to watch it without a cringe or two lol. I even liked Flight of The Living Dead better. :lol:


FoTLD was friggen hilarious.
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